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Doesn't look like my strategy is gaining much traction. I really wish people would give it more thought. I'll probably leave the thread till tomorrow morning or so. But here's my final feelings.
Contrary to popular belief, lynching helps Cult.
If we have to lynch someone, Queen's been the most sus this phase.
Contrary to popular belief, lynching helps Cult.
If we have to lynch someone, Queen's been the most sus this phase.
Better sus everyone each day, this game is supposed to be designed in a way that there is a balance.
Giving up ouw abilities to lynch anf sitting out to read reads that again can be wrong, can bite us back. We are only at advantage as long as we hold advantage, what to say Cult is already not max? They can keep killing us and once we start hitting em, they can start the conversion again, the cycle that way won't start.
Giving up lynch and allowing scums to get a a head up is like loosing the advantage we had in the starting of the Game. If we benefitted for max cult, the game would have started so, bt it didn't. Now rather we are at disadvantage since all our Investigative roles are out, they can kill em, convert good players and without lynching we won't even get reactions and everyone opinion, it will be like expecting good reads while Everyone is playing safely. I won't suggest that.
And will you pls stop with Cult is going to win stuff, beside Mod Killed Townies, we still have numbers on our side. If you really are townie, make well built cases against those you sus, else once Cult have max numbers they will keep playing sacrifical strategies and it would mess up with our reads and if certain player is fool or not.
Giving up ouw abilities to lynch anf sitting out to read reads that again can be wrong, can bite us back. We are only at advantage as long as we hold advantage, what to say Cult is already not max? They can keep killing us and once we start hitting em, they can start the conversion again, the cycle that way won't start.
Giving up lynch and allowing scums to get a a head up is like loosing the advantage we had in the starting of the Game. If we benefitted for max cult, the game would have started so, bt it didn't. Now rather we are at disadvantage since all our Investigative roles are out, they can kill em, convert good players and without lynching we won't even get reactions and everyone opinion, it will be like expecting good reads while Everyone is playing safely. I won't suggest that.
And will you pls stop with Cult is going to win stuff, beside Mod Killed Townies, we still have numbers on our side. If you really are townie, make well built cases against those you sus, else once Cult have max numbers they will keep playing sacrifical strategies and it would mess up with our reads and if certain player is fool or not.
So wanting consistent reads isn't the way to do this? Cult has a 1 day cooldown, unless they started with 3 members, they aren't at max. It'd be great if they were though. Because it indicates they don't have a killing role.
Okay, but what info can i trust from roles / who's to say a converted member won't act consistent? If I was converted, I'd be exactly the same and just wait to grab someone else. Doesn't matter if I die after that. Assuming I was made Cult Leader.
My issue with this we have our TI revealed and zero reason to trust them. And reads can shift any day phase thanks to Cult.
Okay, but what info can i trust from roles / who's to say a converted member won't act consistent? If I was converted, I'd be exactly the same and just wait to grab someone else. Doesn't matter if I die after that. Assuming I was made Cult Leader.
My issue with this we have our TI revealed and zero reason to trust them. And reads can shift any day phase thanks to Cult.
Just a random thought, isn’t it weird we’re having no kills for 2 nights. If we are to believe the cult was restricted or was busy recruiting why wouldn’t the Nk do its work..?? Is it possible for us to not have any Nk. If that’s the case then we can go with the TAC strategy. Cause it would mean we wouldn’t lose any Bd to Nk this night and Cult will also be at fullest tomorrow. So the plan seems feasible in that scenario.
I agree with tac on we losing this battle. We’re actively lynching our ones for the last two DP. Cinera claimed and was spared though.
I agree with tac on we losing this battle. We’re actively lynching our ones for the last two DP. Cinera claimed and was spared though.
Had my sus on them. Strongly on Sera. I’ve given my reads on him but haven’t got much lately. He just brushed it off saying it’s is consistent (him gameplay)
We should probably lynch him. What kind of cruelty is that..
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We should probably lynch him. What kind of cruelty is that..
Problem with tac plan to go for no Lynch and try to pin point cult leader by going through all previous day posts and Cross check them is this phrase from wiki
"If the Cult Leader is killed, another Cult member will become the Cult Leader"
And, just look at all the abilities of cult leader on Wiki - eradicate which is rechargeable and rupture.
And, then we have other cults and neutrals as well at their maximum strength.
They will be on offensive mode.
And what we will be doing? Going though all days every day to just to discuss with no trust on new results and then simply going for no Lynch.
What's the gurantee that the player we picked as sure shot cult after days of no Lynch would be sure shot cult? What if mislynched then?
And, even if got the cult then, they can again convert and we will be back to square one because we will be having no idea whom they converted again.
I am clueless why tac even suggested this Idea.
This idea doesn't make sense to me. If anyone of you find this Idea sensible then please explain me how
"If the Cult Leader is killed, another Cult member will become the Cult Leader"
And, just look at all the abilities of cult leader on Wiki - eradicate which is rechargeable and rupture.
And, then we have other cults and neutrals as well at their maximum strength.
They will be on offensive mode.
And what we will be doing? Going though all days every day to just to discuss with no trust on new results and then simply going for no Lynch.
What's the gurantee that the player we picked as sure shot cult after days of no Lynch would be sure shot cult? What if mislynched then?
And, even if got the cult then, they can again convert and we will be back to square one because we will be having no idea whom they converted again.
I am clueless why tac even suggested this Idea.
This idea doesn't make sense to me. If anyone of you find this Idea sensible then please explain me how
1 cool down? So they can't convert on consecutive days?
Why was Nat sus so strongly when she assumed the worst Cult have 4 members nw? You also sussed her right, didn't notice that thn?
In this game atleast we can role claim, in other Mafia we specifically have to rely on reads. Reads, reactions and opinions we mostly get by pushing Lynches.
Role claim can give out most sus, since they will clash.
Bt it really would be trouble with converted players. Since they could tell half truth n half lie and we won't know.
@TheAncientCenturion Kiwi don't think so. What yoy have to say on this ?
Yeah i read those. So nothing new on em.
What about others, any new sus for you?
Why was Nat sus so strongly when she assumed the worst Cult have 4 members nw? You also sussed her right, didn't notice that thn?
In this game atleast we can role claim, in other Mafia we specifically have to rely on reads. Reads, reactions and opinions we mostly get by pushing Lynches.
Role claim can give out most sus, since they will clash.
Bt it really would be trouble with converted players. Since they could tell half truth n half lie and we won't know.
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@TheAncientCenturion Kiwi don't think so. What yoy have to say on this ?
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Had my sus on them. Strongly on Sera. I’ve given my reads on him but haven’t got much lately. He just brushed it off saying it’s is consistent (him gameplay)
We should probably lynch him. What kind of cruelty is that..
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We should probably lynch him. What kind of cruelty is that..
What about others, any new sus for you?
Interesting question to ask before vanishing.
@Yo Tan Wa what do you read him. Based on his overall gameplay.
Queen raised my suspicions on her but still can’t risk to lynch her. It’s basically Flower V2. Also Flower coming in to say forget everything guys is both funny and weird af.
@Yo Tan Wa what do you read him. Based on his overall gameplay.
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Queen raised my suspicions on her but still can’t risk to lynch her. It’s basically Flower V2. Also Flower coming in to say forget everything guys is both funny and weird af.
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Day 3 Vote Tally: 12-hour Mark
Voters:
TheAncientCenturion -> Kiwipom -> Queen ->*
Finalbeta -> Queen
Lanji -> Queen
Flower -> Queen
Queen -> Dark Admiral -> TheAncientCenturion
NeutralWatcher -> Queen ->*
Kiwipom -> Queen
Queen - 4
Dark Admiral - 1
TheAncientCenturion - 1
Non-voters: Krogothwolf, Dark Admiral, Reborn, Cinera, Natalija, Yotanwa, Seraphoenix, Hawks, Zoro D Goat, and Chrono.
Queen asserting that we should not lynch her so that we can get DA or Natalija is a very bad statement for a game like this in which conversion can happen and so scum can become stronger by still raising number, also notice how she doesn't even mention a specific lynch target but she is more generic. While in other posts she is focused on DA.
Also I don't buy this at all, hers genuinely sounded like a scum slip:
Natalija's first result on Flower is technically consistent since all indicated she is the Fool, and Natalija also hinted a specific role of course, but either way conversion may happen during a night so no one is 100% clean.
Reborn's meta has fully turned back, but this only occurred now, so I will watch him to figure whether or not he had been so sick his meta had been off, however he didn't even place a vote during the first day which is not usual Reborn, and that is independant from that.
Also I don't buy this at all, hers genuinely sounded like a scum slip:
Natalija's first result on Flower is technically consistent since all indicated she is the Fool, and Natalija also hinted a specific role of course, but either way conversion may happen during a night so no one is 100% clean.
Reborn's meta has fully turned back, but this only occurred now, so I will watch him to figure whether or not he had been so sick his meta had been off, however he didn't even place a vote during the first day which is not usual Reborn, and that is independant from that.
Hmm asking question if there can be two users with same role at the start of Day phase? I am not sure what to make of that.
Sera did so prior to NW lynching Queen and Queen claiming same role as Tac, so not seem like they are connected. So could be related to some theory he maybe has in mind, maybe based on Night abilities.
Overall, i have played with him twice.
As scum once, that role usually keeps him more interested in the Game.
And he wasn't as interested in the Game when he wasn't.
Since he hasn't been as engaged in this Game as much, to me so far it suggested he is BD.
@Dragomir i think you missed it, i also had voted for Queen.
Sera did so prior to NW lynching Queen and Queen claiming same role as Tac, so not seem like they are connected. So could be related to some theory he maybe has in mind, maybe based on Night abilities.
Overall, i have played with him twice.
As scum once, that role usually keeps him more interested in the Game.
And he wasn't as interested in the Game when he wasn't.
Since he hasn't been as engaged in this Game as much, to me so far it suggested he is BD.
@Dragomir i think you missed it, i also had voted for Queen.
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