Manga Discussion D.Gray Man

Konstantis · Mar 23, 2023

Ofcourse, Cross also speaks on ancient language, that Oldman, Lavi and Noah's know.

I also believe that Dark Matter is in fact human technology, unlike innocence.

So Cross Mask, Noah's arc and ancient language could be from ancient civilization.

Cross_Marian · Mar 23, 2023

Konstantis said:

How old is Cross actually? Was he the first human of this new world? Maybe the child of the first Noahs? He’s so mysterious and knows a lot about the Bookman Clan

Is Nea the messiah?
The Noahs want to destroy this world
The church wants maybe complete control over this world
Apo is like the devil
Malcolm hates "God" and wants maybe an atheistic society where mankind rules
Nea - ???
Why can’t the heart destroy the Earl? Why should only Nea do it according to Cross?

Konstantis · Mar 23, 2023

Cross_Marian said:

I believe both Neah and Earl have sealed power that will End this world. So no matter who will win, the world will be destroyed.

Neah said that he is one, who will destroy everything - that is clear foreshadowing of World End desire.

Now talking about Cross Marian, Road, Neah and Mana. I believe that everyone comes from the Mansion. I'm not sure if they was humans, but I believe that Cross was in Mansion in that time when Mana and Neah grew up.

The War started in the mansion with Eve's death, and probably from Mana turning to Noah's children from the Mansion. But that is just one of possibilities.

Cross_Marian · Mar 23, 2023

The key scene is this

So the true of mission of Cross (following Nea's words + finding the new host) is God's real will
Is Nea maybe the Jesus of this world?

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Konstantis said:

Yes, Cross has also some connection to Katherina
Maria could be her corpse

Konstantis · Mar 23, 2023

Cross_Marian said:

Right, also reread chapter 202 or like that where cross talked to revered mother. There was mention of specific special place. Cross main goal is to get to that place where eberythibg could change.

Now imagine if this world is stage, the place where Cross wanted to get should be behind the curtains. Plus the tree, which is able to kill Tim is probably from outhere.

Again it's hard to say what actually happening. Case there are hundred of possibilities. Still this thing about specific place was particulary mentioned by Hoshino.

Cross_Marian · Mar 23, 2023

Konstantis said:

This place could be Eden and Cornelia was maybe the tree of the knowledge of good and bad

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@Konstantis btw I read Pandora Hearts
You were the first one who recommended it to me
It was freaking awesome
The plot twist with Jack was insane
@Light D Lamperouge is also a fan and recommended it to me

Konstantis · Mar 23, 2023

Cross_Marian said:

Yooo that was I telling you man! Pandora is great, especially in the end. Did you finished this story?

Cross_Marian said:

Ok, I will try later find that specific pannel, but yes, I believe that place is connected to Cornelia for sure.

Cross_Marian · Mar 23, 2023

Konstantis said:

Yes I finished it some months ago
Just 2-3 more chapters and the ending would’ve been perfect for me
:shocking:

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Young Bookman looks badass

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OH SHIT
I noticed something important
I’ve read this chapter countless times but never realised this
This is the scene where the Earl and Katharina meet for the first time

I thought the following scene happened right after that but look at Katherina's hair and clothes
She has also flowers for the Earl

She’s even crying

I thought the Earl split immediately into Mana and Nea and that the pages were one scene…
They actually met a couple of times and some time passed between the two scenes
So he didn’t split into Mana and Nea immediately and had a relationship with Katharina
Earl the Apostle of Adam and Katharina Eve
and they meet before a tree…
Maybe they became best friends or even lovers?

Konstantis · Mar 24, 2023

Cross_Marian said:

I saw that actually, but there is interesting part where we saw kid that Eve was carrying in her hands, which actually imply that Mansion was always an orphanage.

So what we got in a result?

Earl for sure fall in love in Eve and in the result he splitted in two halfs: Mana and Nea

This is why I believed that Eve was the Heart.

And don't forgot that War started after Mana(Earl) killed Eve(Heart?), which turn into Neah vs Mana war.

Now the song of 14-th, should be related to Eve for sure, BUT this song Mana also know...and that lead to one simple conclusions. Song of 14-th, plus song of Jasdevi are talking about Earl who splitted up. What this means? Jasdevi has this song built in their Noah's memory, but they don't know that Earl splitted in two halfs.

But there is another important thing: song conrolled Noah's arc from the very begining. What this could mean? Earl splitting in two halfs alredy happened before new Earl splitted in two halfs. And that where infinity timeline could take it's part.

Do you see that Adam(Earl) is not even close to me simmilar in appearence to Earl costume. Now my guess here is that Costume Earl - is first Earl that lived who knows how many years ago. Mana don't have Noah's memory, but he have this Costume, which include First Earl memory.

So from this point you can understand that meeting between Earl and Eve was predicted from the very begining. Now another things comes to my mind: Noah familty actually manipulated Earl and pretend to be his family. Which means Noah's family tried to imitate love for Earl, but in end something happened and he was free from chains. And when he run away he met Eve, fall in love and than BUM it's over. It feels like Earl happyness of falling love triggers this event of him splitting in two halfs. Why love? In song you can clearly hear words LOVE, so yeah.

Also I posted another scan where it was stayted that Noah's memory of Mana predicted him turing into Pillar. Why? Because that already happened. Time just repeats itself. Which created intinity timeline...and whole point of manga, as I believe, is to create new future, that will end infinity war.

Light D Lamperouge · Mar 27, 2023

Cross_Marian said:

Yeah I noticed this when reading.

There's been a long standing theory that Katharina is Road. Sooooooo. :shocking:

Konstantis · Mar 27, 2023

Light D Lamperouge said:

Yeah, I feel like she is Eve or Lilith, both works perfectly for me, as an options.

Light D Lamperouge · Mar 27, 2023

Konstantis said:

Yeah it can work imo. And we just need to tie @Cross_Marian to it as well. Seth?

Cross_Marian · Mar 27, 2023

Light D Lamperouge said:

Yes I think that Cross is Seth
It would be really awesome
What about Maria? She was an exorcist and Cross kept her deceased body.
What if she’s Katherina
She could be a parallel to Eve and to Holy Mary (Maria)
Nea could be the messiah (Jesus)
Who was Noah though…
Just look at this page

Noah and Adam had a conflict
I think the previous world was full of sin and Noah came as God's messenger and demanded that mankind should show atonement
Adam was maybe a ruler and didn’t want to loose his power
They fought against Noah and this lead to the destruction of the previous world and Noah became the pillar
Noah used the power of the heart but lost it during the flood
Adam took over Noah's body and the other survivors pretended to be his family and called themselves "Noah's family"

So here’s my theory
What if the real Noah came with his Ark to the "previous world". Maybe Noah was from another realm. He ascended from heaven
Noah took his 12 disciples (Apostles) with him and the conflict with Adam and his followers resulted in the flood.
Road said that she saw the end of the world and Cross said that they now want to destroy this world
So it’s not the same world. The current world is not the post apocalyptic world of the previous one. You could say that it’s a new world
The flood destroyed the previous world, it became chaos and God created a new one from the chaos
Noah and his Apostles should wait in the Ark until this Chaos became a new world and then inhabit it
But Adam and his followers implanted their memories into Noah and his Apostles and survived in their bodies. They became the Noah family and they want to destroy this new world and seek vengeance
Cross said to Road that the Noah’s are ghosts from the past and that Road is a part of this world
The Noah's are like the envy devil
They want to destroy God's new paradise
Cross believes that Noah, who split into Mana and Nea will lead this world to eternal peace that will never witness an apocalypse
Noah became the Earl, he split into Mana who had Adam's memories and Nea who had Noah's memories
Mana literally said that his will is Adam's will

Light D Lamperouge · Mar 27, 2023

Cross_Marian said:

Yes I think that Cross is Seth
It would be really awesome
What about Maria? She was an exorcist and Cross kept her deceased body.
What if she’s Katherina
She could be a parallel to Eve and to Holy Mary (Maria)
Nea could be the messiah (Jesus)
Who was Noah though…
Just look at this page

Noah and Adam had a conflict
I think the previous world was full of sin and Noah came as God's messenger and demanded that mankind should show atonement
Adam was maybe a ruler and didn’t want to loose his power
They fought against Noah and this lead to the destruction of the previous world and Noah became the pillar
Noah used the power of the heart but lost it during the flood
Adam took over Noah's body and the other survivors pretended to be his family and called themselves "Noah's family"

So here’s my theory
What if the real Noah came with his Ark to the "previous world". Maybe Noah was from another realm. He ascended from heaven
Noah took his 12 disciples (Apostles) with him and the conflict with Adam and his followers resulted in the flood.
Road said that she saw the end of the world and Cross said that they now want to destroy this world
So it’s not the same world. The current world is not the post apocalyptic world of the previous one. You could say that it’s a new world
The flood destroyed the previous world, it became chaos and God created a new one from the chaos
Noah and his Apostles should wait in the Ark until this Chaos became a new world and then inhabit it
But Adam and his followers implanted their memories into Noah and his Apostles and survived in their bodies. They became the Noah family and they want to destroy this new world and seek vengeance
Cross said to Road that the Noah’s are ghosts from the past and that Road is a part of this world
The Noah's are like the envy devil
They want to destroy God's new paradise
Cross believes that Noah, who split into Mana and Nea will lead this world to eternal peace that will never witness an apocalypse
Noah became the Earl, he split into Mana who had Adam's memories and Nea who had Noah's memories
Mana literally said that his will is Adam's will

That's quite a solid theory. And it makes sense. We need dem answerzzz soon.

Cross_Marian · Mar 27, 2023

Light D Lamperouge said:

"Very soon"
:josad:

Light D Lamperouge · Mar 27, 2023

Cross_Marian said:

Cross_Marian · Mar 28, 2023

Road said that everything disappeared

The pillar consumed the souls of everything and the vessels split into elemental pieces
Nea explained it in 221

So the Pillar did exactly the same thing with the entire world

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Hoshino is truly a genius

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This is so interesting
AHHGHH I NEED ANSWERS

Konstantis · Apr 15, 2023

Cross_Marian said:

Ancient language.

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And yes there is clear connection between Earl power and innocence

Cream filled donut7 · Apr 24, 2023

NEW DGM CHAPTER SOON

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1650479461891026947

Konstantis · Apr 24, 2023

Cream filled donut7 said:

Yup, this week new chapter is coming

Manga Discussion D.Gray Man

Favourite characters?

Allen Walker

Kanda

Lavi

Lenalee

Cross Marian

Millennium Earl

Road

Tyki

Crowley

Miranda

Link

Chaozii

Noise Marie

Tiedoll

Nea

Mana

Wisley

Jasdero

Skin

Sheryl

Komui

Reever

Johnny

Timothy

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