Chapter Discussion This chapter proved Saint Shanks is not a "true" swordsman
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Now I understand what Mihawk bros deal with in a daily basis.
Luffy uses haki but he is still a devil fruit user
Saint Shanks uses haki but he is still a swordsman
Swordsmanship and devil fruits are fighting technique and abilities
Haki is what puts one at the top
WSS means you are greatest among all swordsmen, regardless of what puts you at the top. Though it's haki that puts a swordsman at the top
Luffy uses haki but he is still a devil fruit user
Saint Shanks uses haki but he is still a swordsman
Swordsmanship and devil fruits are fighting technique and abilities
Haki is what puts one at the top
WSS means you are greatest among all swordsmen, regardless of what puts you at the top. Though it's haki that puts a swordsman at the top
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Is that because of his skills or haki
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are you saying vista can do what Saint Shanks just did since his SWORD SKILL is on par with mihawk 
You need coqs haki to do divine departure not freaking sword skills
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Kamasuri Becomes Kamasutra for Saint Shanks then.
You're talking as if Saint Shanks Coats a dildo with Coc will do the same Wifi Trick He did against Aramaki.
You're talking as if Saint Shanks Coats a dildo with Coc will do the same Wifi Trick He did against Aramaki.
You need coqs haki to do divine departure not freaking sword skills
Btw this is what I don't like about people who "debate" like @uyuu:
This guy has brought up this same shit many times before, always gets proven wrong because the "haki user" thing he's referring to is a mistranslation. In actuality, this is what was stated:
But despite being told that again and again, you go around misinforming people with same stuff. That's such a poor behavior.
Basically will repeat same wrong information like a parrot as long as it supports your agenda. Gets proven wrong, will stfu, then go to some other thread months after to repeat same garbage anyway.
This guy has brought up this same shit many times before, always gets proven wrong because the "haki user" thing he's referring to is a mistranslation. In actuality, this is what was stated:
But despite being told that again and again, you go around misinforming people with same stuff. That's such a poor behavior.
Basically will repeat same wrong information like a parrot as long as it supports your agenda. Gets proven wrong, will stfu, then go to some other thread months after to repeat same garbage anyway.
"Strongest titles = the one who wins in the fight" You're objectively wrong, since people said "Mihawk who is even stronger than Saint Shanks in sword skill", while Kaidou said "haki transcends all" and completely disregard Roger's strength as a swordsman.
And no, strongest haki user is not the one who beat every haki user, since haki is a single type of weapon, and i dont generalize stuff like you do. Strongest swordsman always winning in fight against other swordsman doesnt even apply in the real world, so you claiming other people objectively wrong is silly, when you're the one constantly being in the wrong for using every generalization tin order to wank Mihawk, and furthermore try to belittle other's perception as failure to comprehend simple things. Your entire argument is dishonest as you're trying to push the agenda that anyone disagreeing with you as having comprehension failure issues lol.
And no, strongest haki user is not the one who beat every haki user, since haki is a single type of weapon, and i dont generalize stuff like you do. Strongest swordsman always winning in fight against other swordsman doesnt even apply in the real world, so you claiming other people objectively wrong is silly, when you're the one constantly being in the wrong for using every generalization tin order to wank Mihawk, and furthermore try to belittle other's perception as failure to comprehend simple things. Your entire argument is dishonest as you're trying to push the agenda that anyone disagreeing with you as having comprehension failure issues lol.
No it does not. You try to use a mistranslation to pretend Haki user is a fighting style.
Of course. Haki is most important part of any fighting style. A sniper with ACoC and ACoA will shit all over one without. A swordsman like Zoro with ACoC and ACoA is far superior swordsman to someone like Kaku. A fighter who's fighting style revolves around bamboos would be far more effective with awesome CoA than without.
Except that's what it is. A swordsman who beats Mihawk = WSS. That's what ACoA and ACoC user Zoro says he will do.
There's a difference between strongest haki user and user with strongest haki. Simple grammar.
Of course. Haki is most important part of any fighting style. A sniper with ACoC and ACoA will shit all over one without. A swordsman like Zoro with ACoC and ACoA is far superior swordsman to someone like Kaku. A fighter who's fighting style revolves around bamboos would be far more effective with awesome CoA than without.
Except that's what it is. A swordsman who beats Mihawk = WSS. That's what ACoA and ACoC user Zoro says he will do.
There's a difference between strongest haki user and user with strongest haki. Simple grammar.
Both, haki is part of skill because a skilled swordsman needs haki thats the difference between fodder swordsman. Same with a skilled fighter such as luffy for example. luffy has powerfull haki and he had a sword at the beginning of wano. He did not know how to fight with that sword altho having powerfull haki. Hes not fully skilled at applying that haki into fighting with a sword same way he does with his fists
Both Vergo and Smoker were a stick user but Vergo totally dismiss their prowess on their own weapon while emphasizing haki more than their weapon. The stronger haki user has stronger haki regardless of their fighting style using weapon, and both Vergo and Kaidou emphasize haki over any weapon-based fighting style that you glorify in putting WSS Mihawk in pedestal. You're objectively wrong to not even able to comprehend such simple facts.
A swordman who used a nuke and beat the WSS is the actual WSS. Objectively wrong again while trying to circle as if the grammar "strongest haki user" vs "user of strongest haki" is different lol, as if the strongest haki user will have weaker haki than any haki user he beat, so he will win due to his weapons or factors other than his strongest title itself. You cant even comprehend the panel you gave yourself. Thats what happen when you argue simple points but while trying to belittle others.
A swordman who used a nuke and beat the WSS is the actual WSS. Objectively wrong again while trying to circle as if the grammar "strongest haki user" vs "user of strongest haki" is different lol, as if the strongest haki user will have weaker haki than any haki user he beat, so he will win due to his weapons or factors other than his strongest title itself. You cant even comprehend the panel you gave yourself. Thats what happen when you argue simple points but while trying to belittle others.
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Exactly. Haki is most important factor in any fighting style. Haki is what boosts your fighting style the most.
That's what you need to win in a battle, and winning is what Zoro's dream of WSS is about.
No wonder Zoro, the one who wants to be WSS, has 100% of his journey based on ACoA and ACoC development after time-skip.
Thankfully that's not what haki is. Saint Shanks uses it to boost his sword attacks, after all.
That's what you need to win in a battle, and winning is what Zoro's dream of WSS is about.
No wonder Zoro, the one who wants to be WSS, has 100% of his journey based on ACoA and ACoC development after time-skip.
Thankfully that's not what haki is. Saint Shanks uses it to boost his sword attacks, after all.
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Your argument makes no sense.
WSS means the strongest AMONG ALL swordsmen.
It doesn't matter what your swording technique is exactly, if you use divine departure or oni giri, the people who pull these attacks do so with a SWORD and are SWORDSMEN.
Mihawk is the strongest AMONG ALL swordsmen. Every other swordsman, based on this title, is weaker.
Saint Shanks, regardless of his swording techniques, he is a swordsman. Confirmed by Oda.
Saint Shanks is therefore below Mihawk. He is however the closest rival that Mihawk has as mentioned by Oda.
Saint Shanks is Mihawk's rival.
A drawing of all swordsmen by Oda. Saint Shanks is in it.
WSS means the strongest AMONG ALL swordsmen.
It doesn't matter what your swording technique is exactly, if you use divine departure or oni giri, the people who pull these attacks do so with a SWORD and are SWORDSMEN.
Mihawk is the strongest AMONG ALL swordsmen. Every other swordsman, based on this title, is weaker.
Saint Shanks, regardless of his swording techniques, he is a swordsman. Confirmed by Oda.
Saint Shanks is therefore below Mihawk. He is however the closest rival that Mihawk has as mentioned by Oda.
Saint Shanks is Mihawk's rival.
A drawing of all swordsmen by Oda. Saint Shanks is in it.
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Your argument makes no sense.
WSS means the strongest AMONG ALL swordsmen.
It doesn't matter what your swording technique is exactly, if you use divine departure or oni giri, the people who pull these attacks do so with a SWORD and are SWORDSMEN.
Mihawk is the strongest AMONG ALL swordsmen. Every other swordsman, based on this title, is weaker.
Saint Shanks, regardless of his swording techniques, he is a swordsman. Confirmed by Oda.
Saint Shanks is therefore below Mihawk. He is however the closest rival that Mihawk has as mentioned by Oda.
Saint Shanks is Mihawk's rival.
A drawing of all swordsmen by Oda. Saint Shanks is in it.
WSS means the strongest AMONG ALL swordsmen.
It doesn't matter what your swording technique is exactly, if you use divine departure or oni giri, the people who pull these attacks do so with a SWORD and are SWORDSMEN.
Mihawk is the strongest AMONG ALL swordsmen. Every other swordsman, based on this title, is weaker.
Saint Shanks, regardless of his swording techniques, he is a swordsman. Confirmed by Oda.
Saint Shanks is therefore below Mihawk. He is however the closest rival that Mihawk has as mentioned by Oda.
Saint Shanks is Mihawk's rival.
A drawing of all swordsmen by Oda. Saint Shanks is in it.
Soooooooon
Then give me statement that Vergo is the stronger stick user compared to Smoker, instead of the user of stronger haki just like Vergo himself said. Also give me statement that Mihawk is overall stronger than Saint Shanks in battle, instead of the specific notion Mihawk being the one with superior sword skills compared to even Saint Red hair. You can't, since the specificity is already stated.
"Mihawk having stronger haki than Saint Shanks because you want it" was already countered by the exact opposite points of Saint Shanks' emphasized jaki since pre-TS, while "WSS is the one who wins in battle against any other swordsman and thats counting the accumulation of factors" is also contradicted by people saying in manga panels about Mihawk being better than Saint Shanks specifically in sword skill. Thats aligned with what Vergo stated that haki is its own power, its not exclusively under sword skill in measuring strength titles, instead they are shown to be specific and independent from each other.
So i'm fine with hour own interpretation of WSS Mihawk as also the strongest in haki even when its already contradicted by various haki points from Saint Shanks and other statements, but forcing it to others should at least have its limits.
"Mihawk having stronger haki than Saint Shanks because you want it" was already countered by the exact opposite points of Saint Shanks' emphasized jaki since pre-TS, while "WSS is the one who wins in battle against any other swordsman and thats counting the accumulation of factors" is also contradicted by people saying in manga panels about Mihawk being better than Saint Shanks specifically in sword skill. Thats aligned with what Vergo stated that haki is its own power, its not exclusively under sword skill in measuring strength titles, instead they are shown to be specific and independent from each other.
So i'm fine with hour own interpretation of WSS Mihawk as also the strongest in haki even when its already contradicted by various haki points from Saint Shanks and other statements, but forcing it to others should at least have its limits.
