Chapter Discussion This chapter proved Shanks is not a "true" swordsman
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Zoro v Monet.
A perfect vertical slash, cleanly cuts her in two.
Perfect Slash.
Zoro v Pica
Perfectly and cleanly cuts through a mountain horizontally.
Perfect Slash.
Mihawk in Marineford.
Cleanly slices a giant iceberg in two, not one single crack in an entire mountain.
Perfect Slash.
Shanks v Kid
Chunks and pieces of broken metal flying all over.
Visible cracks and destruction on the metal structure.
Metal is bent and crumbled.
Not a perfect slash, more closely related to smashing something with a sword.
A perfect vertical slash, cleanly cuts her in two.
Perfect Slash.
Zoro v Pica
Perfectly and cleanly cuts through a mountain horizontally.
Perfect Slash.
Mihawk in Marineford.
Cleanly slices a giant iceberg in two, not one single crack in an entire mountain.
Perfect Slash.
Shanks v Kid
Chunks and pieces of broken metal flying all over.
Visible cracks and destruction on the metal structure.
Metal is bent and crumbled.
Not a perfect slash, more closely related to smashing something with a sword.
The pinnacle of swordsmanship
Sigh..... here are the facts
- Shanks is a Swordsman
- Shanks is "close" to Mihawk but isnt the WSS
- Its been explained repeatedly that those who are Yonko have more defining characteristics than just strength. Being leaders is their most important trait, because none of them can get to Laugh Tale alone. This is the whole point of Luffy having a crew and repeatedly talking about how he cant do any of it without them.
The following are strong contenders for being true (one or the other):
- Shanks either loses to Luffy or Blackbeard (because hes a Yonko captain) before Zoro even fights Mihawk, thereby leaving everything I said before as valid.
- Shanks IS the endgame of the series (after Blackbeard, after One Piece, after Akainu/Im), and Mihawk is there to fight Zoro. At this point, like Roger/Whitebeard, Oda states they are equal with different ambitions. Thats it. Thats how the series ends, Luffy and Zoro defeating the pinnacle powers of the world and the fanbase just continues to argue who is stronger forever lol
The only way the above in any way is wrong is if Oda has Shanks fight like Luffy randomly, or he shits on the WSS title, which I doubt considering he never shat on the WSM or WSC ones "technically". They still hold up in their own ways.
But again, WSS is purely a combative feat. A "Yonko" had the ambition for Pirate King, which involves leading a crew of powerful people and having a fleet.
- Shanks is a Swordsman
- Shanks is "close" to Mihawk but isnt the WSS
- Its been explained repeatedly that those who are Yonko have more defining characteristics than just strength. Being leaders is their most important trait, because none of them can get to Laugh Tale alone. This is the whole point of Luffy having a crew and repeatedly talking about how he cant do any of it without them.
The following are strong contenders for being true (one or the other):
- Shanks either loses to Luffy or Blackbeard (because hes a Yonko captain) before Zoro even fights Mihawk, thereby leaving everything I said before as valid.
- Shanks IS the endgame of the series (after Blackbeard, after One Piece, after Akainu/Im), and Mihawk is there to fight Zoro. At this point, like Roger/Whitebeard, Oda states they are equal with different ambitions. Thats it. Thats how the series ends, Luffy and Zoro defeating the pinnacle powers of the world and the fanbase just continues to argue who is stronger forever lol
The only way the above in any way is wrong is if Oda has Shanks fight like Luffy randomly, or he shits on the WSS title, which I doubt considering he never shat on the WSM or WSC ones "technically". They still hold up in their own ways.
But again, WSS is purely a combative feat. A "Yonko" had the ambition for Pirate King, which involves leading a crew of powerful people and having a fleet.
From what Oda say about Roger, he is not WSS until someone credible said so. Kaidou also totally dismissed WSS in powerlevel while picking a weaker swordsman. Vergo totally dismissed his own skil and Smoker in using staff and pick haki instead. Kaidou explicitly align PK, powerlevel peak, and specifically haki together, and explicitly leaving WSS from even being mentioned, even with Xebec and Roger around. Mihawk is recognized even by random people to excel specifically in sword skill compared to Shanks. Shanks oneshot two relevant fighters at once and literally made two Admiral halted strategically retreated from a display of power difference represented by CoC, while Mihawk have no willpower to even begin competing for Emperor title, while CoC is the will to stand above others.
I'm gonna say it using your style, its so funny that you fail to comprehend simplistic canon on-panel scenes that gives absolute advantage to Shanks over Mihawk regarding CoC, and real possibility of advantage of Shanks over Mihawk regarding overall strength. You just circle around using your own cherrypicked scenes and ambition as absolute guarantee of Mihawk's superiority, and its not enough since you want to monopolize haki as well under WSS compared to other swordsmen even when the feats show otherwise. But actually no, it's purely your fanboyism that lead to to that high-horse attitude.
I'm gonna say it using your style, its so funny that you fail to comprehend simplistic canon on-panel scenes that gives absolute advantage to Shanks over Mihawk regarding CoC, and real possibility of advantage of Shanks over Mihawk regarding overall strength. You just circle around using your own cherrypicked scenes and ambition as absolute guarantee of Mihawk's superiority, and its not enough since you want to monopolize haki as well under WSS compared to other swordsmen even when the feats show otherwise. But actually no, it's purely your fanboyism that lead to to that high-horse attitude.
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Nope. At most, we don't know. Unknown does not lead to conclusion. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. "Aliens don't exist until we know they do" is fallacy.
Sure? Shanks can have stronger CoC. Irrelevant to what I'm saying. You're the one who has no comprehension.
It does not matter if Shanks is better in certain categories, or if Mihawk is better in others, or if Zoro is better in others. Ultimately, the WSS will be overall stronger and will defeat either in battle.
Sure? Shanks can have stronger CoC. Irrelevant to what I'm saying. You're the one who has no comprehension.
It does not matter if Shanks is better in certain categories, or if Mihawk is better in others, or if Zoro is better in others. Ultimately, the WSS will be overall stronger and will defeat either in battle.
You dont have proof that Zoro's desire is a canonical fact or applied in the world, since Zoro has been beaten multiple times after his vow to never be defeated, while the entire world somehow forget that Roger, the most famous person in the world who is PK-peak-best haki, should be the WSS without anyone mentioning it, in order to make your interpretation become absolute canonical facts.
And even after the scene of Mihawk being mentioned as specifically better at sword skill than Shanks, after Shanks get WSC's recognition while WSS is dismissed, after Shanks oneshotted two fighters at once, two fighters that when being combined reach a certainly higher powerlevel than a single flower swordsman who kept stalling Mihawk for some time, somehow you keep saying that anyone disagreeing with your wishful thinking of canonical facts with zero proof, to simply have a comprehension failure. You are being dishonest in your arguments and you know it. Otherwise you're the one experiencing comprehension failure yourself that you keep claiming others as.
And even after the scene of Mihawk being mentioned as specifically better at sword skill than Shanks, after Shanks get WSC's recognition while WSS is dismissed, after Shanks oneshotted two fighters at once, two fighters that when being combined reach a certainly higher powerlevel than a single flower swordsman who kept stalling Mihawk for some time, somehow you keep saying that anyone disagreeing with your wishful thinking of canonical facts with zero proof, to simply have a comprehension failure. You are being dishonest in your arguments and you know it. Otherwise you're the one experiencing comprehension failure yourself that you keep claiming others as.
Don't have to. That's Zoro's desire and that's what it means to be WSS to him. That's his ambition and the narrative of ambition of one of our MC's matters. When he beats Mihawk, he'll truly be the swordsman who stands above all other swordsman. Who is able to defeat them in combat. Including Shanks, who is officially a swordsman.
That's how Vivre Card cites it, too; Mihawk is waiting for someone who surpasses even Shanks.
If Shanks was clear-cut over Mihawk, that would never be the case. At most they're equals or the similar dynamic as Roger/WB. You surpass one, you would have surpassed the other.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But this isn't really even about title. This is about the simple fact that if you're stronger than any other swordsman, you're strongest swordsman. So unless there was a swordsman who could beat Roger, he is by default stronger swordsman.
Just like now that WB is dead, there has to be another strongest man in the world regardless of whether spam dub him as such or not.
That is literally what it means to be strongest man, strongest creature or strongest swordsman. If you are strongest of any group IN REALITY AND NOT JUST IN NAME, you are 100% overall as strong or stronger than anyone else in that group. Any fight would be you winning more times than not or at least 5/5 draw like in case of WB/Roger.
Only in One Piece community desperate fans would hear author say, "This character is strongest in this group of characters," and go "Hm... I wonder what that means. Maybe it means another character is stronger than the strongest in this group?"
That's how Vivre Card cites it, too; Mihawk is waiting for someone who surpasses even Shanks.
If Shanks was clear-cut over Mihawk, that would never be the case. At most they're equals or the similar dynamic as Roger/WB. You surpass one, you would have surpassed the other.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But this isn't really even about title. This is about the simple fact that if you're stronger than any other swordsman, you're strongest swordsman. So unless there was a swordsman who could beat Roger, he is by default stronger swordsman.
Just like now that WB is dead, there has to be another strongest man in the world regardless of whether spam dub him as such or not.
That is literally what it means to be strongest man, strongest creature or strongest swordsman. If you are strongest of any group IN REALITY AND NOT JUST IN NAME, you are 100% overall as strong or stronger than anyone else in that group. Any fight would be you winning more times than not or at least 5/5 draw like in case of WB/Roger.
Only in One Piece community desperate fans would hear author say, "This character is strongest in this group of characters," and go "Hm... I wonder what that means. Maybe it means another character is stronger than the strongest in this group?"
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