Powers & Abilities Sword skill (without haki) is a myth: Haki makes a master swordsman

Not all of them.

WGS : Dai Kengou
WSS : Saikyo Kenshi
WSM : Saikyo Otoko

This is WGS - Dai Kengou not the same with WSM.


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Just because you focus on WSS that doesn't make WGS disappear.



VIZ choose Dai Kengou here on purpose even though its Saikyo Kenshi but then ZKKboys complained they started to use WSS again but as Zolo told Pica they still use WGS from time to time.
Is it really that hard to understand that the strongest swordsman is also the greatest swordmaster? lmao
 
First time used as WGS in chapter 5:


WSS and WGS, both means the same thing: SKILL.




One thing doesn't change: SKILL. :steef:
We still waiting to find out:
How Roger left a slash scar on WB without cutting?

Did AdCoC make Zoro stronger or more skilled?

What will be restricted(specifically) in Zoro and Mihawks skill contest?

Please enlighten us @Erkan12
You don't answer the previous posts and run away but you expect me to answer your dumb questions?

Why Roger potentially scarred WB? (you trolls don't realize it could be someone else related to Shanks, never confirmed as Roger as well)

Easy you ZKK trolls, Roger also uses a PISTOL as we see vs Shiki not only a sword, or when he hits him with a Kamusari, the impact might make WB get hit by something else similar to Kid's technique exploding on his face, anything is possible lmao.

:holdthisl:

Easy to debunk.

Zolo already says if you don't use swordsmanship only like sword user Alber, it doesn't count, your butthurt looks like got bigger. :broocry:
 
I see the words "sword skills" gets thrown around in One Piece community and we all know its because of the age old debate of Shanks vs Mihawk. Trollda himself fuels such debates by mentioning "sword skill" in Mihawk's bounty poster. I have been thinking a while the meaning of "sword skill" in One Piece context and came to the conclusion that sword skills do not really exist in One Piece, its a myth.


The lack of depth in sword styles in One Piece

In order to discuss sword skills, it is important to consider sword styles first. Lets take the gold standard of sword mangas Rurouni Kenshin for example (If you havent read it yet, start now!). Some of the well known sword styles from Rurouni Kenshin are =>
- Hiten Mitsurigi style: Kenshin's style, a fast-paced style that focuses on agility and speed
- Kamiya Kasshin style: Kaoru's style, thats focused on defense and counters
- Gatotsu: Sword style of the GOAT Hajime Saito, a style that emphasizes speed and precision in order to kill opponents quickly
- Kodachi style: Aoshi's style that use a short sword to create impregnable defense and then attack with martial arts

It is clear that Noburo Watsuki, the creator of Rurouni Kenshin, gave careful consideration to the sword styles portrayed in the manga. These styles are well-defined and tailored to suit the personalities, physical abilities, and weaponry of their respective users. Now lets think about some of the prominent sword styles we got in One Piece =>
- Two sword style: Oden
- Three sword style: Zoro
- Four sword style: Kaku
- Six sword style: Hatchan
- Eight sword style: Hyouzou
- Nine sword style: Asura Kyutoryu

One could argue that Oda is simply adding a new sword and calling it a new style in One Piece, without much thought put into it. Its either Oda was being lazy with the styles or he simply didnt care much. What if sword styles, as well as sword skills, doesnt really matter for a top tier swordsmen? That would explain why sword styles lacking in depth and careful consideration.



There is only one skill exclusive to the "pure" swordsmen

The majority of techniques used by One Piece swordsmen are rooted in various forms of cutting or slashing. Its quite possible that individuals like Roger or Shanks could perform this maneuvers given their strength, skill or agility.

As far as I am concerned, there is only one skill thats exclusive to the so called "pure" swordsmen: the flying slash. This technique was introduced during Skypea when Zoro fought Braham. We have also seen Zoro imbuing haki with a flying slash against Monet. Flying slash is something that probably requires a certain level of skill and I dont see Shanks/Roger replicating it without any practice. However, the haki emission strikes (e.g. kamusari) from Roger/Shanks have a similar function. Is flying slash truly necessary for a swordsman who has haki emission strikes in his arsenal?

Another technique that could potentially be exclusive to "pure" swordsmen is the "iai" technique, which involves drawing the sword quickly and striking in one fluid motion. Zoro has used this technique with his Shishi Sonson attack. However, going forward, I dont see any scenario where a fast draw would impact the outcome of a fight.



The use of Juken - Gentle blade

Perhaps you are thinking, "Well Nidai, we have seen how crucial sword skills can be all the way back in chapter 51" =>

Zoro: It was DEFLECTED. No matter times you shoot him, the outcome will be the same.
He changed the trajectory of the bullet with the tip of his sword.

Pirate: ...who the hell are you?!
Zoro: I've never seen such a graceful sword.
Mihawk: There is no strength in a sword without softness.
Zoro: And you split this ship with that sword as well?
Mihawk: Indeed.

Zoro admired it as if using gentle blade alone made Mihawk the WSS. Unfortunately, Tashigi replicated this feat:
No disrespect to Tashigi, but if she can replicate one of the greatest sword skills, perhaps sword skills dont amount much for the top fighters in the verse. Its like she maxed out her sword skills and its not enough to push her beyond the captain rank in the marines.



The Pinnacle of Swordsmanship: The Ability to Cut Nothing

There's been many theories floating around regarding how Zoro will beat Shiryu. Long story short, the theory says Zoro will learn to cut nothing to beat Shiryu. Cutting nothing was first mentioned by Kyoshiro =>

Whats relevant and important for this thread is, Kyoshiro regarded "cutting nothing" as the pinnacle of swordsmanship =>

I had high hopes this would be some special sword skill thats unique to the "pure" swordsmen, the people who live by and die by their swords. I was expecting some sort of ultra instinct awakening or some other badass shit unique to sword masters. However, my excitement was dashed when Oda revealed "cutting nothing" is heavily reliant on haki abilities =>




Only Haki is real

1. The first thing (the only thing?) Mihawk taught Zoro is haki =>

2. While teaching his swordstyle to his disciples, the first thing Oden mentions is ryou =>

3. A master swordsman can use his haki to cut everything or cut nothing (see the Hyogoro panel above)

We saw during Zoro vs King fight that all the techniques in the world wasnt enough, but once Zoro unleashed CoC, it was over.


TLDR

Haki is everything for a swordsman, sword skill means squat


Some tags (who I think might be interested):
True.

Without great haki a swordsman cap is basically Vista level which is around 2nd or 3rd commander level. Vista is similar to Mihawk in pure skill but his haki is not that great.

This is why Mihawk respects him since his skill as a swordsman is one of the best but the moment Mihawk uses ACOC Vista would be defeated easily.
 
Why did mihawk teach zoro to get stronger instead of only skill ?
zoro's attacks are still the same but stronger, which means chapter 2 zoro is as skilled as current zoro

but why didn't mihawk train zoro to improve his skills instead of his strength?

Because Mihawk wants to remain the most skilled swordsman even if Zoro defeats him with strength


mihawk is a fraud confirmed !!!
 
zoro's attacks are still the same but stronger, which means chapter 2 zoro is as skilled as current zoro

but why didn't mihawk train zoro to improve his skills instead of his strength?

Because Mihawk wants to remain the most skilled swordsman even if Zoro defeats him with strength


mihawk is a fraud confirmed !!!
Mihawk is Hercule/King of One piece universe. He painted his blade black and actually doesnt even have haki!

He is good friends with Shanks and just had Shanks pretend to duel evenly with him!

Zoro is gonna be sad when he figures out that Mihawk is just a skillsman.
 
You don't answer the previous posts and run away but you expect me to answer your dumb questions?
There is nothing to answer in your word salad.


Why Roger potentially scarred WB? (you trolls don't realize it could be someone else related to Shanks, never confirmed as Roger as well)

Easy you ZKK trolls, Roger also uses a PISTOL as we see vs Shiki not only a sword, or when he hits him with a Kamusari, the impact might make WB get hit by something else similar to Kid's technique exploding on his face, anything is possible lmao.
Kamusari couldn't scar him but impact from some random shit flying around did? Lmao

Zoro used a scythe and has kicked multiple times guess he isn't a swordsman either just a sword user.


Zolo already says if you don't use swordsmanship only like sword user Alber, it doesn't count, your butthurt looks like got bigger. :broocry:
You still haven't listed the restrictions dumbass, so list them
 
There is nothing to answer in your word salad.



Kamusari couldn't scar him but impact from some random shit flying around did? Lmao

Zoro used a scythe and has kicked multiple times guess he isn't a swordsman either just a sword user.




You still haven't listed the restrictions dumbass, so list them
Thats your PTSD when you talk about swordsman restrictions and I immediately slapped your ZKK face with Zolo's own quote about Alber is not being a swordsman.

I already told you dumbass that you can't read shit so you should talk with your fellow ZKKfans to talk you can communicate better.

Kamusari can scar him dumbass thats why I literally explained how it looks like your brain is frozen due to ZKK copium.

Also said Roger has a pistol that can use whenever he wants not only sword and no one confirmed it was Roger, WB said someone related to Shanks did it, never confirmed as Roger dumbass.

If you can't read thats not my problem, Zolo told the swordsman restrictions when he said Alber is not a swordsman so if he duels Mihawk, Mihawk can't fight like Alber otherwise it doesn't count dumbass. :luffylaugh::lulz:
 
Thats your PTSD when you talk about swordsman restrictions and I immediately slapped your ZKK face with Zolo's own quote about Alber is not being a swordsman.

I already told you dumbass that you can't read shit so you should talk with your fellow ZKKfans to talk you can communicate better.

Kamusari can scar him dumbass thats why I literally explained how it looks like your brain is frozen due to ZKK copium.

Also said Roger has a pistol that can use whenever he wants not only sword and no one confirmed it was Roger, WB said someone related to Shanks did it, never confirmed as Roger dumbass.

If you can't read thats not my problem, Zolo told the swordsman restrictions when he said Alber is not a swordsman so if he duels Mihawk, Mihawk can't fight like Alber otherwise it doesn't count dumbass. :luffylaugh::lulz:
Dude you are coping so fucking hard right now, they are very simple questions and easy to answer. Just try your best OK?
 
Already answered, you just can't read like ZKKfans. :steef:
I mean I guess it's true I was just expecting answers that made sense you know?

So to summarise:

To be in contention for WSS you can't have a Dino DF nor be Lunarian and that's it?

There are people more likely to have scarred WB than Roger but if it was Roger it's more likely that it was random rubble than Roger's AdCoC sword attack?
Zoro is a sword user not a swordsman

We didn't quite get an answer to if AdCoC made Zoro stronger or more skilled?

Is this all correct?
 
Swordsmanship Haki Proficiency
They can be used in combination.
But they are two separate things. Just as Devil Fruit use is separated from Haki. Problem is ever Zoro/Mihawk stan can't accept that fact they'd be acknowledging that there's more to strength than simply how good you are at using a sword. Instead you post a bunch of moronic threads like this one.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
The only moron here is you.



Zoro is literally using the same attacks from his INTRODUCTION.



Koshiro taught him the concept of flowing haki



Mihawk taught him coating



He got advanced coc and raised in sword rank



And next power up will be coo related also haki.

Nothing in this story is about how well you flick your wrist.
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Swordsmanship ≠ Haki Proficiency

They can be used in combination.

But they are two separate things. Just as Devil Fruit use is separated from Haki. Problem is ever Zoro/Mihawk stan can't accept that fact they'd be acknowledging that there's more to strength than simply how good you are at using a sword. Instead you post a bunch of moronic threads like this one.
 
You're right, great thread.

Skill in terms of fighting ability is strength in OP.
When Who's Who mentions climbing the ranks via skill, he was talking about strength.
When Zoro got wounded by Killer, in that 2 v 1, he (Zoro) said it was his own fault because he wasn't skilled enough. Now im sure you guys know Zoro wasn't talking about his sword play in that sentence.

Mihawk is the WSS. When they say he's more skilled at sword play then Shanks, they're not saying he has more sword techniques under his Arsenal. It's his overall strength. And Yes that also means Mihawks haki > Shanks haki, I know you guys hate this.

To be a Master Swordsman, you have to be a top tier Haki user. Theres no 2 ways about it
 
Let's say 10 is max potential and you have to allocate points

Skill - max 3
Strength - max 3
Haki - max 3
X factor - max 1

Mihawk may well be a 10

Kuina, no matter what she did, could at best be a 9 or 8 as her strength would never reach more than 1 or 2.

That doesn't mean 3 strength = 3 haki because haki is probably the hardest ability to achieve max at.
This tbh.

Base strength + sword skill + Haki

1. We have seen someone swing a sword around without sword skill, General Franky in Wano. He uses brute force.

2. Early Zoro is pretty much base strength + sword skill

3. Post TS Zoro is all three

And I agree with "because haki is probably the hardest ability to achieve max at", because you need to be born with CoC.

I think the X factor is sword stuff, whether those swords accept you or not.
 
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