Powers & Abilities Sword skill (without haki) is a myth: Haki makes a master swordsman

[Guymieux]

What matters most is when the concept was introduced to the readers visually Chapter 1010 and 1011.. Luffy is not touching, Kaido is not touching and even Big Mom is not touching..

AdCoC against a non Haki user.. Every AdCoC attack are close quarter range..

You can’t tell people what matters most ! Oda has shown adv Coc users making contact and that’s the only thing that matters . Get over it . You can’t cherry pick what panels you want to use . Luffy realized what adv Coc was after getting hit by ragnarok which fully touched him. You cannnot debate against that . Stop hating on zoro

 

[CbShadow]

I'm just going to leave this here.

 

[Artem]

Just like any other fighter?

Removing Zoro's quality blades is just like removing Luffy's DF, Kaido's or Sanji's genetics.

Even then, their strength doesn't solely comes from lineage factor modifications.

You're basically saying that if Shanks eats Burgess DF he automatically becomes a stronger swordsman, despite not needing to level up his Haki, neither getting a better blade for him to fight.

It's silly to compare high-quality blades with the fruit of God or genetic engineering. Zoro will not weaken at all with mediocre swords, because khaki strengthens the blades. This is one of the factors that Mihawk taught.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

No, Zoro held on to his Blades and got flinged in the direction where king was trying remove the blades..
Does that make sense?..

Not really :(
I see King attacking, making contact, activating his sword thieving trick, then doing a surprised face while getting pushed back after Zoro says ''you won't steal my swords'' and realeasing black lightning everywhere.

 

[Artem]

Not really :(
I see King attacking, making contact, activating his sword thieving trick, then doing a surprised face while getting pushed back after Zoro says ''you won't steal my swords'' and realeasing black lightning everywhere.

Because it was

 

[FredericRoger]

With that Said:

Shanks>>>>kaido>>>>>>linlin>>>>> mihawk

 

[Erkan12]

. Fighting style alone will never win fights on the verse.

Start reading One Piece instead 2 Piece.

Zolo: ''You don't know the difference between, 'using three swords' , and using 'three swords style'!''
--- Chapter 0033

Zolo: ''I'm not used to fighting with only one katana, but I have no choice...''
--- Chapter 0032

Zolo only beat Fodder Nyaban Brothers via SKILL difference.

Cap. Haki >>>> All.

Zoro stated that he wants to Perfect his swordsmanship by being able to release his full power in his sword attacks . Which means he wants to release his physical full strength and haki into his attacks.

Swordsmanship is a fighting style. Would tashigi be stronger than dressrossa soro if she had ace fruit? No because she doesn't have the physicality to back it up. Would she be stronger than Zoro if she was a cyborg like Franky? No since she would still have nothing on her sleeve from am AP standpoint to defeat dressrossa Zoro.

Her having shanks haki would put her in the best position. However she would still not have shanks physicallity so it would be a toss up

Thats a very dumb argument. First of all, even Hakiless PreTS Luffy overpowered Marigold's CoA barrier via DF skill and power alone. And later Luffy overpowered superior CoA user Katakuri via G4 DF skill and power difference again.

If Haki > All, Zolo wouldn't need 3 swords style amplification and special swords such as Wado, Enma and Kitetsu. He would challenge Pica in a CoA contest only, and he wouldn't use 3 swords style and special swords in addition to his CoA, Zolo would only use barehands and he would overpower Pica with CoA only:

Zolo didn't show supreme CoA vs Pica.

Thats a very dumb ZKK level argument.

Zolo amplified his CoA sword attack with a Sanzen Sekai sword technique, so the only thing we know happened was the SKILL difference. That page only shows Pica didn't have much better CoA than Zolo so Pica couldn't overpower both Zolo's sword technique + his special swords + his CoA.

If Zolo wanted to show a better CoA, he wouldn't use any sword skill technique vs Pica to challenge Pica's CoA, he would beat him with a barehanded CoA hit, just like Pica dropped using his sword, Zolo should do the same, or at least a random sword swing without using any sword technique would be better, but even the latter wouldn't be enough since special swords such as Wado, Enma or Kitetsu all have very high quality steel material, its still a big advantage without even a sword skill technique.

Sanji is currently have better attack power than before because he now has exoskeleton + CoA combination toughness, while Zolo was using special high quality sword + CoA combination since the Time Skip.

To show how big of a difference special swords are, look how Wado Ichimonji wasn't broken vs. Mihawk's attack while his other 2 swords got broken,

And look how Big Mom specifically mentioned about special sword Enma, not about Zolo's Haki:

Zolo used: 3 special swords + 3 swords style sword skill Sanzen Sekai + CoA VS. Pica's Barehanded CoA. Of course Zolo was going to cut Pica unless Pica had much much greater CoA Haki than Zolo's.

Luffy overpowered a superior CoA user Katakuri by using G4 technique, by using sword skill or DF they can even overpower a superior CoA, let alone close level CoA.

PreTS Luffy without even Haki, overpowered Haki user Marigold's Haki Barrier via G2 DF technique.

Even Hakiless Sword Skill or Hakiless DF ability can even overpower Haki barriers sometimes.

Zolo wasn't even winning vs. Fodder Nyaban Brothers without using his 3 Swords Style:

Zolo: ''You don't know the difference between, 'using three swords' , and using 'three swords style'!''
--- Chapter 0033

Zolo: ''I'm not used to fighting with only one katana, but I have no choice...''
--- Chapter 0032

Zolo only won vs. Fodder via SWORD SKILL difference.

Only way to know if Zolo's CoA is better or not:

1- Zolo is not going to amplify his attack with a Sword Skill: Sanzen Sekai technique, instead Zolo is going to swing his sword randomly without any sword skill technique, and without using any special high quality steel sword, and cut Pica's CoA.

2- Zolo won't use special steal swords vs barehanded CoA users, or Zolo with barehands only will block a CoA imbued attack from Pica without taking any damage.

Zolo admitted if Pica's Haki was stronger, even with his special steel swords + sword skill + CoA wouldn't work. But Pica's CoA wasn't much stronger. That only confirmed Pica's CoA wasn't stronger, not that Zolo's CoA was stronger than Pica's.

Example: Katakuri and Luffy clashed with barehands, Katakuri overpowered Luffy via superior CoA.

- Then Luffy with inferior CoA Haki, used DF technique G4 + CoA and overpowered Katakuri's CoA. DF powers + techniques or special high quality swords + sword skills makes a huge difference during CoA clashes.

- Vergo and Sanji clashed their legs, Vergo damaged Sanji's leg via superior CoA.

- Vergo and Smoker clashed the weapons, Vergo used bamboo, Smoker used jitte, Vergo's bamboo overpowered Smoker's jitte via superior CoA.

To prove Zolo has better CoA than Pica's CoA, Zolo needs to fight with the first 2 conditions that I mentioned above.

Zolo without his sword techniques + without special swords, that is SKILL difference.

 

[Uncle Van]

You literally can't even use your swords without good haki since your own strength can cause your swords to chip and break. Zoro showed this in DR.

 

[Erkan12]

You literally can't even use your swords without good haki since your own strength can cause your swords to chip and break. Zoro showed this in DR.

Thats literally the same for everyone. They can break their fists, their legs, or their weapons if they don't use CoA.

 

[Uncle Van]

Thats literally the same for everyone. They can break their fists, their legs, or their weapons if they don't use CoA.

Aka there is no pure swordsman and "hakiman" right? Since they're all apparently in the same boat? So both Shanks and Mihawk can't use their swords without good haki but only Mihawk is the swordsman for some reason.

 

[Erkan12]

Aka there is no pure swordsman and "hakiman" right? Since they're all apparently in the same boat? So both Shanks and Mihawk can't use their swords without good haki but only Mihawk is the swordsman for some reason.

Oda still didn't explain clearly for a reason either he is scared of another ZKK type of backlash from Zolo fans if he simply says Mihawk isn't as strong as Yonko, or he wants people to argue about it. The chapter where they said Mihawk is more skilled (not stronger) than Shanks is important since it gives us clue. If Mihawk was simply stronger, in a manga panel where Brannew was explaining and hyping the Mihawk's threat, he would surely use the term of ''stronger than Shanks'' instead simply saying more skilled.

Surely, something stops Brannew from simply saying Mihawk is stronger than Shanks due to his so hyped title. Zolo also explained what swordsman is vs Alber, while Alber using a sword and also coating his sword with CoA (which you just mentioned) Alber is still not a swordsman and even if Alber beat Zolo, Alber wouldn't be stronger swordsman than Zolo according to Zolo's swordsman standards.

 

[kekaro]

Haki is will so obviously.
I think people are confused because when oda says sword skill he clearly references a bushido/samurai/kendo like the concept. Like something like fencing for example where technique matters more

But we get the undeniable proof that at minimum SOME type of haki is linked with swordsmanship like ryou as zoros old master pointed out

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Start reading One Piece instead 2 Piece.

Zolo: ''You don't know the difference between, 'using three swords' , and using 'three swords style'!''
--- Chapter 0033

Zolo: ''I'm not used to fighting with only one katana, but I have no choice...''
--- Chapter 0032

Zolo only beat Fodder Nyaban Brothers via SKILL difference.


Thats a very dumb argument. First of all, even Hakiless PreTS Luffy overpowered Marigold's CoA barrier via DF skill and power alone. And later Luffy overpowered superior CoA user Katakuri via G4 DF skill and power difference again.

If Haki > All, Zolo wouldn't need 3 swords style amplification and special swords such as Wado, Enma and Kitetsu. He would challenge Pica in a CoA contest only, and he wouldn't use 3 swords style and special swords in addition to his CoA, Zolo would only use barehands and he would overpower Pica with CoA only:


Zolo without his sword techniques + without special swords, that is SKILL difference.

All bulshit. There is no such thing as a toptier individual in this verse that doesn't overly rely on haki. So you already goofed. Sanji with his martial arts alone will never be top tier. Kaido with his club and no haki would have never been top tier. So your entire point is mute off rip. Skill does nothing in this series unless power ability flexibility awareness physical strength movement speed reaction speed and haki all takes place and add to what your fighting style skill is. So your entire argument was retarded

 

[Erkan12]

Haki is will so obviously.
I think people are confused because when oda says sword skill he clearly references a bushido/samurai/kendo like the concept. Like something like fencing for example where technique matters more

But we get the undeniable proof that at minimum SOME type of haki is linked with swordsmanship like ryou as zoros old master pointed out

Every fighting style is linked with Haki. Nothing to do with swordsmanship or marksmanship. Usopp unlocked Haki while trying to use advanced marksmanship. Trying to get better at a fighting style helps them get better at Haki. Swordsmanship is not special.

Zolo was still a swordsman 2 years ago when he couldn't even use Haki. His base strength was his sword skill. And still is considering he isn't winning his fights without using 3 swords style and 3 special swords amplifying his attacks.

All bulshit. There is no such thing as a toptier individual in this verse that doesn't overly rely on haki. So you already goofed. Sanji with his martial arts alone will never be top tier. Kaido with his club and no haki would have never been top tier. So your entire point is mute off rip. Skill does nothing in this series unless power ability flexibility awareness physical strength movement speed reaction speed and haki all takes place and add to what your fighting style skill is. So your entire argument was retarded

I proved your argument is retarded.

You said this:
''Fighting style alone will never win fights on the verse.''

And I debunked that with Zolo couldn't even beat fodder Nyaban duo when he couldn't use his Santoryu or his Nitoryu techniques. Zolo only won vs. them via SKILL difference. Not physical strength or Haki.

You never said ''win fights on top tier level''. Then Zolo's opponents also uses Haki, like the much superior version of Nyaban brothers with Haki and better physical strength, again Zolo needs his Sword Skill vs. when he fights Superior version of Nyaban brothers. Nothing changes.

Zolo uses Haki, Zolo's opponents uses Haki as well.

Zolo only wins via his Sword Techniques and Skills difference. If Zolo had 1 sword vs. Alber, he couldn't win just like he couldn't win vs Nyaban Brothers.

Zolo was desperate to use his swords vs. Alber, and couldn't win without special swords + 3 swords style techniques.

WGS title is like World's Greatest Devil Fruit User title.

Current BB can be the World's Greatest Devil Fruit User or even can be that 2 years ago. That doesn't make current BB stronger than every Devil Fruit User like Kaido or EoS Luffy.

Being better at 1 fighting style doesn't mean being stronger. Everyone at top levels has Haki and Physical Strength. Nothing changes since Zolo's Nyaban Brothers fight. Zolo still needs his 3 swords style and 3 special swords to win vs. his high level opponents.

The key difference that makes Zolo win his fights was SKILL, and still is.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Every fighting style is linked with Haki. Nothing to do with swordsmanship or marksmanship. Usopp unlocked Haki while trying to use advanced marksmanship. Trying to get better at a fighting style helps them get better at Haki. Swordsmanship is not special.

Zolo was still a swordsman 2 years ago when he couldn't even use Haki. His base strength was his sword skill. And still is considering he isn't winning his fights without using 3 swords style and 3 special swords amplifying his attacks.



I proved your argument is retarded.

You said this:
''Fighting style alone will never win fights on the verse.''

And I debunked that with Zolo couldn't even beat fodder Nyaban duo when he couldn't use his Santoryu or his Nitoryu techniques. Zolo only won vs. them via SKILL difference. Not physical strength or Haki.

You never said ''win fights on top tier level''. Then Zolo's opponents also uses Haki, like the much superior version of Nyaban brothers with Haki and better physical strength, again Zolo needs his Sword Skill vs. when he fights Superior version of Nyaban brothers. Nothing changes.

Zolo uses Haki, Zolo's opponents uses Haki as well.

Zolo only wins via his Sword Techniques and Skills difference. If Zolo had 1 sword vs. Alber, he couldn't win just like he couldn't win vs Nyaban Brothers.

Zolo was desperate to use his swords vs. Alber, and couldn't win without special swords + 3 swords style techniques.

WGS title is like World's Greatest Devil Fruit User title.

Current BB can be the World's Greatest Devil Fruit User or even can be that 2 years ago. That doesn't make current BB stronger than every Devil Fruit User like Kaido or EoS Luffy.

Being better at 1 fighting style doesn't mean being stronger. Everyone at top levels Haki and Physical Strength. Nothing changes since Zolo's Nyaban Brothers fight. Zolo still needs his 3 swords style and 3 special swords to win vs. his opponents.

Bullshitter a FIGHTING style alone will never have one be a top tier since they have to use other factors outside of their actual fightstyle to be strong. Do you read? Swordplay or boxing or martial arts is useless if you don't have the physical stats along with huge haki to make that fight style affective lol.

I proper or pure fighting style isn't what defeated kaido. It was an increase in haki, durability and raw power that did so.

Mihawk stated that the reason why zoros sword broke when he fought him was because he lacked HAKI. Mihawk placed 0 emphasis on zoros swords skills as what was needed to not have his swords break to him. That's why your point is mute

 

[Erkan12]

Bullshitter a FIGHTING style alone will never have one be a top tier since they have to use other factors outside of their actual fightstyle to be strong. Do you read? Swordplay or boxing or martial arts is useless if you don't have the physical stats along with huge haki to make that fight style affective lol.

I proper or pure fighting style isn't what defeated kaido. It was an increase in haki, durability and raw power that did so.

Mihawk stated that the reason why zoros sword broke when he fought him was because he lacked HAKI. Mihawk placed 0 emphasis on zoros swords skills as what was needed to not have his swords break to him. That's why your point is mute

Thats why Zolo is not trying to be PK or WSM. He doesn't need to defeat Kaido who is far superior than Mihawk in Haki.

Zolo will never need the best Haki like Luffy needs. All Zolo needs around the same level Haki with his opponents so he can get the edge via SKILL difference as he did vs. Nyaban brothers fight.

What is Mihawk's Haki level? NO Haki feats so far. BB has better Haki feats than Mihawk.

-DFless BB scarred Shanks.

-The equivalent of that is like Mihawk without his Kokuto Yoru special sword or Zolo without his 3 special swords scarring Shanks. That would never happen.

Thats the difference between Luffy opponents and Zolo opponents.

 

[CbShadow]

Thats why Zolo is not trying to be PK or WSM. He doesn't need to defeat Kaido who is far superior than Mihawk in Haki.

Zolo will never need the best Haki like Luffy needs. All Zolo needs around the same level Haki with his opponents so he can get the edge via SKILL difference as he did vs. Nyaban brothers fight.

What is Mihawk's Haki level? NO Haki feats so far. BB has better Haki feats than Mihawk.

-DFless BB scarred Shanks.

-The equivalent of that is like Mihawk without his Kokuto Yoru special sword or Zolo without his 3 special swords scarring Shanks. That would never happen.

Thats the difference between Luffy opponents and Zolo opponents.

How long will you continue posting nonsense?

The first thing Mihawk trained Zoro in was haki. He told Zoro if his haki was stronger his swords wouldn't have broken.

That scene tells us not only does haki has something to do with creating a black blade, Mihawk haki is so powerful it stops his sword from breaking.


Haki powerful enough would have stopped Zoro's crappy swords, created by the old man from his village, from breaking.

Zoro vs Pica showed us power is more important than skill.

The winner of the battle was determined by the one with the stronger haki.

If Zoro's haki would have been weaker he wouldn't have cut Pica. Zoro's skills wouldn't have made a difference.

 

[Rootbeer]

How long will you continue posting nonsense?

The first thing Mihawk trained Zoro in was haki. He told Zoro if his haki was stronger his swords wouldn't have broken.

That scene tells us not only does haki has something to do with creating a black blade, Mihawk haki is so powerful it stops his sword from breaking.


Haki powerful enough would have stopped Zoro's crappy swords, created by the old man from his village, from breaking.

Zoro vs Pica showed us power is more important than skill.

The winner of the battle was determined by the one with the stronger haki.

If Zoro's haki would have been weaker he wouldn't have cut Pica. Zoro's skills wouldn't have made a difference.

Remember that..

Hardened Sword > Hardened Body
Sword>Body

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Remember that..

Hardened Sword > Hardened Body
Sword>Body

Zoro literally says that the winner depends on who has the stronger haki and proceeds to win; isn't it how it happened ?

 

[CbShadow]

Remember that..

Hardened Sword > Hardened Body
Sword>Body

Headcannon.

The scene makes it clear the winner of the battle is the one with the stronger haki.

Strong enough can protect the user from sword attacks.