Questions & Mysteries Is advanced CoC really only no touching?
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That's just level 2. Hyo never considered [this] level 3. He admitted it, so any application of level 2 does not go to level 3.
G5 was not using Level 3 until BG. Luffy was using his awakening powers. In G5 he can now influence people or things into his elastic nature so he didn't need internal destruction. He was converting Kaido's body to rubber changing his durability. Luffy's haki aspect pointed out was used to overpower Kaido's own haki DF negation.
Right because now he used it to not only protect himself from Flame Torches burning power but to overpower Kaido as well.
No one but Luffy and Big Mom has applied its use of Level 3(according to Hyo explanation). Your examples for aCoC barrier are level 2 aspects. Garp is a maybe right now for Level3, since it only makes logical sense that he has it being a brawler and non weapon user. But it's still a Maybe for now.
Garp so far fits the narrative of Level 2[example] and thus we will wait for further info if he can do Level 3.
Right, Kaido has shown enough to point that he can't do Level 3
Agree that AP varies regardless if powered by whatever haki.
Your entire arguments keeps consisting on ignoring manga panels I post that already established what needs to be understood and you constantly tryna fit your refutation into your own understanding only. I don't think this conversation will go any where. You're only gonna be convince in your own independent interpretation/thinking so I'll just leave it be.
That's just level 2. Hyo never considered [this] level 3. He admitted it, so any application of level 2 does not go to level 3.
G5 was not using Level 3 until BG. Luffy was using his awakening powers. In G5 he can now influence people or things into his elastic nature so he didn't need internal destruction. He was converting Kaido's body to rubber changing his durability. Luffy's haki aspect pointed out was used to overpower Kaido's own haki DF negation.
Right because now he used it to not only protect himself from Flame Torches burning power but to overpower Kaido as well.
No one but Luffy and Big Mom has applied its use of Level 3(according to Hyo explanation). Your examples for aCoC barrier are level 2 aspects. Garp is a maybe right now for Level3, since it only makes logical sense that he has it being a brawler and non weapon user. But it's still a Maybe for now.
Garp so far fits the narrative of Level 2[example] and thus we will wait for further info if he can do Level 3.
Right, Kaido has shown enough to point that he can't do Level 3
Agree that AP varies regardless if powered by whatever haki.
Your entire arguments keeps consisting on ignoring manga panels I post that already established what needs to be understood and you constantly tryna fit your refutation into your own understanding only. I don't think this conversation will go any where. You're only gonna be convince in your own independent interpretation/thinking so I'll just leave it be.
He never used it on the panel, but as you said, it ruins his weapon's lethality if he uses a barrier. Even Big Mom's got non-touching attacks, so it's hardly appropriate Kaido doesn't, and his clashes with Luffy do suggest he has it too because one-sided barriers are drawn a bit differently. There's a thick line of black lightning when two parties using non-touching attacks clash:
No. Kaido was using level 3. Check the above image
Kaido literally using barrier level 3 here
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Kaido literally using barrier level 3 here
He never used it on the panel, but as you said, it ruins his weapon's lethality if he uses a barrier. Even Big Mom's got non-touching attacks, so it's hardly appropriate Kaido doesn't, and his clashes with Luffy do suggest he has it too because one-sided barriers are drawn a bit differently. There's a thick line of black lightning when two parties using non-touching attacks clash:
Addressed. This space in CoC clashes has no relevance to being able to use internal destruction(Level 3). I even showed you Hyo being able to use Barrier blast as a form of attack and he outright told us it's not Level 3 he can teach Luffy.
He never used it on the panel, but as you said, it ruins his weapon's lethality if he uses a barrier. Even Big Mom's got non-touching attacks, so it's hardly appropriate Kaido doesn't, and his clashes with Luffy do suggest he has it too because one-sided barriers are drawn a bit differently. There's a thick line of black lightning when two parties using non-touching attacks clash:
Idk Oda just goes wild with these visuals, for whatever looks cool. What I do know is those barriers conveniently did not appear once against Yamato. Nor when Kaidou was landing hits on Luffy.
Only when Luffy's barrier is involved is there magically a barrier for Kaidou. Is Kaidou using a barrier to combat a barrier?
And I'd appreciate if there was a visual cue for ID being used, I know there isn't one on it's own. But when used with CoC you see the Big Mom vs Page 1, and Luffy 1010 effect. Only issue is you can argue that this is just level 2 CoA + CoC visually (logically we know ID is being used).