General & Others Garp needs to take an L for this manga to be taken seriously
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You were wrong on the Kid part, in both narrative and hype. There was no reason (narrative or powerscaling) to expect anything else, bar Kid putting up more of a fight I suppose.
With respect to antagonists however, you have a real and solid point here. I have been thinking about it for a while too.
There is NO hype for the final villains.
Akainu and Kizaru are the only antagonistic marines with some threat level
Let's ignore Imu and Gorosei for a moment like you said, cause they are unknown factors.
Look at how much the deck is stacked.
"Good guys"
- Strawhats + grand fleet
- RHP
- Old man trio - Garp/Sengoku (possible sword founders), Rayleigh
- Dragon and revos
- Cross Guild
- Law (probably will be taken out by BB)
"Bad guys"
- Blackbeard pirates: Blackbeard got scared off by old Ray. Then we don't know where the commanders stand, they hypeless and featless, bar Aokiji and Shiryuu to an extend. And even here, Aokiji might be an undercover sword member
- antagonist marines: Only Akainu and Kizaru have hype. Fujitora's portrayal is meh + he might turn, Greenbull has good feats but his portrayal took big hit
- Seraphim: incompetent clowns almost exclusively carried by King's genes. Basically glorified punching bags for competent fighters.
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Bad guys failures so far, post Wano.
- ZERO Shichibukai got captured.
- Sabo and a couple of clowns managed to evade two admirals. Sabo became flame emperor from that
- Greenbull got scared by Shanks and ran off
- Blackbeard got scared by Rayleigh and ran off
- WG losing Vegapunk as an asset
- Seraphims exposed as glorified punching bags to competent fighters
L after L after L
In before anyone starts pulling up powerscaling excuses, yeah I'm aware of them, this isn't strictly a powerscaling point, but moreso about the "feel" or "hype" surrounding these character,
And this after LOda teased fake tension with "Ohh Sabo, Hancock, Vivi"
Where is the tension ?????????
With respect to antagonists however, you have a real and solid point here. I have been thinking about it for a while too.
There is NO hype for the final villains.
Akainu and Kizaru are the only antagonistic marines with some threat level
Let's ignore Imu and Gorosei for a moment like you said, cause they are unknown factors.
Look at how much the deck is stacked.
"Good guys"
- Strawhats + grand fleet
- RHP
- Old man trio - Garp/Sengoku (possible sword founders), Rayleigh
- Dragon and revos
- Cross Guild
- Law (probably will be taken out by BB)
"Bad guys"
- Blackbeard pirates: Blackbeard got scared off by old Ray. Then we don't know where the commanders stand, they hypeless and featless, bar Aokiji and Shiryuu to an extend. And even here, Aokiji might be an undercover sword member
- antagonist marines: Only Akainu and Kizaru have hype. Fujitora's portrayal is meh + he might turn, Greenbull has good feats but his portrayal took big hit
- Seraphim: incompetent clowns almost exclusively carried by King's genes. Basically glorified punching bags for competent fighters.
************
Bad guys failures so far, post Wano.
- ZERO Shichibukai got captured.
- Sabo and a couple of clowns managed to evade two admirals. Sabo became flame emperor from that
- Greenbull got scared by Shanks and ran off
- Blackbeard got scared by Rayleigh and ran off
- WG losing Vegapunk as an asset
- Seraphims exposed as glorified punching bags to competent fighters
L after L after L
In before anyone starts pulling up powerscaling excuses, yeah I'm aware of them, this isn't strictly a powerscaling point, but moreso about the "feel" or "hype" surrounding these character,
And this after LOda teased fake tension with "Ohh Sabo, Hancock, Vivi"
Where is the tension ?????????
- How are seraphims incompetent clowns? We just saw S-Boa destroy the midtiers, seraphims are huge obstacles to anybody who’s not top-tier. You just feel no tension right now because Zoro, Luffy and Sanji are in the arc. You got a yonko-level dude who can probably wipe out the Seraphims once he gets serious, but you have to remember that Luffy won’t be the guy fighting seraphims in the final war. It might be a bunch of midtiers such as the grand fleet that takes them out, and that could would be way more exciting.
- Oda can easily introduce new WG characters and he probably will. For one, he already mentioned “knights of god” in one conversation. Those guys are most likely powerful fighters. I agree, aside from Akainu, marines have no real threat level anymore lmao. Oda will most definitely introduce WG fighters.
- Oda can easily introduce new WG characters and he probably will. For one, he already mentioned “knights of god” in one conversation. Those guys are most likely powerful fighters. I agree, aside from Akainu, marines have no real threat level anymore lmao. Oda will most definitely introduce WG fighters.
Like I said, for competent fighters. Maybe I should've clarified, I mean for minimum commander level fighters.
Mid trio are tobiroppo/executive level.
The only competent fighters in Egghead are monster trio, Jinbe, Lucci, Kaku and Stussy (presuming she's solid aside from hax and sneaks)
Seraphim so far have been punching bags to monster trio, Lucci and Kaku.
Yeah, this could be right
Seraphim could indeed be left for the captain trio of the grandfleet.
I already expect Gorosei and Imu to be very powerful. Issue however is that, they are unknowns currentyl
What was the "knight of God" thing though? I don't remember that.
Mid trio are tobiroppo/executive level.
The only competent fighters in Egghead are monster trio, Jinbe, Lucci, Kaku and Stussy (presuming she's solid aside from hax and sneaks)
Seraphim so far have been punching bags to monster trio, Lucci and Kaku.
Yeah, this could be right
Seraphim could indeed be left for the captain trio of the grandfleet.
I already expect Gorosei and Imu to be very powerful. Issue however is that, they are unknowns currentyl
What was the "knight of God" thing though? I don't remember that.
Yeah admirals and I feel like gorosei are the top-tier fighters. Thing is we already know that final war Zoro and Sanji will be the favorites against their admiral matchup, not much tension. Knights of god were mentioned in chapter 1054, this is just pure speculation but they are probably at least high-tiers. There are way too many good guys anyways, we need more fighters. They could be literal fodders though but I don’t think so.
Hopefully if this not happen, you won't write long essay like this again:
Anw, I agree that if Garp lose here, it will increase the tension.
He could lose, but won't be killed.
If Garp die, it will create new potential match-up for Luffy which will make the story last longer than expected.
Unless Koby will be strong enough at the time of final war and face anyone who kill Garp, I don't see Garp will be killed here
Anw, I agree that if Garp lose here, it will increase the tension.
He could lose, but won't be killed.
If Garp die, it will create new potential match-up for Luffy which will make the story last longer than expected.
Unless Koby will be strong enough at the time of final war and face anyone who kill Garp, I don't see Garp will be killed here
lets say it was beckman, yasopp and lucky roo instead, would you think they could take out old garp or nah
i knew some goofball would write something like this. Im not comparing one piece to seinen like aot or tokyo ghoul, im comparing it to other shounens. Do you consider series like naruto, dragon ball, and my hero academia as "edgy"? Because all 3 of them have way more dangerous and imposing villains that actually bring tension to their series. And my hero academia is literally about school children superheroes. Op fans like you think everything else is edgy well maybe its just one piece thats goofy
I have explained this in the thread i made about it. Blackbeard waited for kaido/big mom to be taken down so he could target one of the captain trio instead, because he views that as an easier route. If blackbeard beats law then that would prove him right in underestimating the new era, which completely contradicts the theme of wano. Blackbeard is not in his prime yet and him losing to law is fine as long as he can redeem himself against garp. its the old era that should be sacrificed for blackbeard not law
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i knew some goofball would write something like this. Im not comparing one piece to seinen like aot or tokyo ghoul, im comparing it to other shounens. Do you consider series like naruto, dragon ball, and my hero academia as "edgy"? Because all 3 of them have way more dangerous and imposing villains that actually bring tension to their series. And my hero academia is literally about school children superheroes. Op fans like you think everything else is edgy well maybe its just one piece thats goofy
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I have explained this in the thread i made about it. Blackbeard waited for kaido/big mom to be taken down so he could target one of the captain trio instead, because he views that as an easier route. If blackbeard beats law then that would prove him right in underestimating the new era, which completely contradicts the theme of wano. Blackbeard is not in his prime yet and him losing to law is fine as long as he can redeem himself against garp. its the old era that should be sacrificed for blackbeard not law
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There is more logic behind garp losing to BB pirates (I still think black beard or aokiji for that to happen) than kids unimpressive crew beating shanks crew or law beating one of the final antagonist for one piece, can you stop sounding so mad you made a extremely bad guess Witt kid get over it you sound really pathetic because you can't handle you were wrong.