General & Others Why does no one ever talk about Law being defeated by Doffy? Someone 10 times if not 100 times weaker than Shanks.

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

〝四皇〟VS〝新世代〟 まもなく世界に衝撃が走る!! 百獣海賊団 の幹部陣を次々と撃破したルフィ達!残すは 最強の〝四皇〟二人!!時代の覇権争いの勝者はどっち!? The "Four Emperors" vs. the "New Generation"! The world will soon be shocked! Luffy and the others have defeated the executives of the Beast Pirates one after another! Only the two strongest "Four Emperors" remain! Who will be the winner in the battle for supremacy of the age?

Agenda goons: "Big Meme has trash ap"

 

[ZenZu]

Agenda goons: "Big Meme has trash ap"

Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier: Big Mom was holding back for fun.

 

[matt245]

Kidd looks cool, that's all I care about.

Yeah, he looks hella cool here 😂

 

[Roo]

Only an idiot believes Law literally sat on his ass for whats close to 2 months knowing he would eventually fight Kaido, the same guy who made Doffy shit his pants

 

[MagnetoEustassKidd]

Only an idiot believes Law literally sat on his ass for whats close to 2 months knowing he would eventually fight Kaido, the same guy who made Doffy shit his pants

Only an idiot author wouldn't actually give us any context to how he's gotten that strong. There was literally no time for any training.

 

[Kiiro]

Dude, it's a fact that characters grow stronger as they travel and it's a fact that current Law is stronger than Dressrosa's whether because he awakened his fruit, learned how to use haki beyond the obvious or won an extreme battle. The Law who was defeated by Doflamingo (after having to exhaust himself as both Doffy and Fujitora tried to catch him) is factually weaker than current Law.

It's been more than a month and in the meantime Law has travelled to both Zou and Wano plus his current location since Dressrosa and has fought and defeated an emperor of the sea. Of course he's more powerful now.

Law indeed is stronger. But the real question, is how much?

Law went from Doflamingo to Emperors.....

Law since Dressrosa only had 1 extreme diff battle. So with this, he should had gotten stronger.. 1 tier stronger? I dont think so, as seen with Luffy who gained FS and was barely a bit stronger, he just had better reactions thanks to FS.

Awakening Law? Well, his Awakening is pro, he indeed grew a whole new tier from his extreme diff batfle and Awakening.

Yet, he isnt a real top tier as they barely could defeat Big Mom in a 2 vs 1. If we scale this Law in between Yc1 and low top tier, with Law growing 1 tier, then Law was Yc1 at Dressrosa...

That is the math.

 

[Roo]

There was literally no time for any training.

There 2 months between Zou - The Raid on Onigashima. Plenty of time for Law to train

I agree that Oda should've be included some training panels, but we kinda have to use our brains here. What kind of moron would go and fight the World's strongest creature without prep?

 

[SkySanji]

Midd fans are honestly more pathetic than Doffy fans ngl

 

[ConquistadoR]

Law indeed is stronger. But the real question, is how much?

Law went from Doflamingo to Emperors.....

Law since Dressrosa only had 1 extreme diff battle. So with this, he should had gotten stronger.. 1 tier stronger? I dont think so, as seen with Luffy who gained FS and was barely a bit stronger, he just had better reactions thanks to FS.

Awakening Law? Well, his Awakening is pro, he indeed grew a whole new tier from his extreme diff batfle and Awakening.

Yet, he isnt a real top tier as they barely could defeat Big Mom in a 2 vs 1. If we scale this Law in between Yc1 and low top tier, with Law growing 1 tier, then Law was Yc1 at Dressrosa...

That is the math.

Luffy Fans will never accept Doflamingo > Cracker or Commanders entirely because their Luffy stronger than all after Every Arc Agenda is affected there.

But he's the only one who showed Truly Island Scale Damage compared to Commander tier Guys who did nothing of that sort.

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

〝四皇〟VS〝新世代〟 まもなく世界に衝撃が走る!! 百獣海賊団 の幹部陣を次々と撃破したルフィ達!残すは 最強の〝四皇〟二人!!時代の覇権争いの勝者はどっち!? The "Four Emperors" vs. the "New Generation"! The world will soon be shocked! Luffy and the others have defeated the executives of the Beast Pirates one after another! Only the two strongest "Four Emperors" remain! Who will be the winner in the battle for supremacy of the age?

Agenda goons: "Big Meme has trash ap"

Literally confirm she couldn't beat them in the time Zoro beat a Lunarian.
Meme has trash AP, cry.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Literally confirm she couldn't beat them in the time Zoro beat a Lunarian.
Meme has trash AP, cry.

I mean, it is hard fighting 2 people with strong hax dfs.
Despite that, she still managed to force them to throw her off the island instead of giving her a real defeat like Kaidou being knocked out by BG.

 

[Rob Luffy]

I mean, it is hard fighting 2 people with strong hax dfs.
Despite that, she still managed to force them to throw her off the island instead of giving her a real defeat like Kaidou being knocked out by BG.

It’s not hard if you aren’t retarded.

 

[Peenix]

Couple things here:

1. Doflamingo lowdiffed Sanji and Sanji needed Law to save him. Law losing to Doflamingo is not the L you make it out to be

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2. Law managed to put up a genuinely good fight against Doflamingo throughout the arc

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3. After getting the shit beaten out of him and having his arm sliced off, Law still managed to mid diff Doflamingo's right hand man

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4. Law, even if he couldn't beat Doflamingo, actually managed to get the better of him by completely fucking over his entire operation. He didn't just go in there without a second thought like Kidd did with Shanks

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5. Doflamingo isn't weak by any means. He has some of the best paramecia feats in the series. If he was defeated in Wano like how Oda originally planned, he would at least be King level

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Not even trying to trash Kidd here, but Law got a way better showing in Dressrosa so idk what your point here is

I don't really care.
She knocked P1 out with one hit.
Knocked out Kidd and Law for a couple seconds without even using Haki.
Her AP is good.

Big Mom had the misfortune of fighting against plot armor. She needed to lose for the story to progress, so she never used ACoC even when she should have

 

[vikas]

Let people live a proper life

 

[Kiiro]

There 2 months between Zou - The Raid on Onigashima. Plenty of time for Law to train

I agree that Oda should've be included some training panels, but we kinda have to use our brains here. What kind of moron would go and fight the World's strongest creature without prep?

What level was Luffy pre time skip and what level was he post time skip?

 

[Roo]

What level was Luffy pre time skip and what level was he post time skip?

pre ts? lower end vet

post ts: lower end YC3. YC4 if you want to lowball him. Would comfortably beat snack

 

[Kiiro]

pre ts? lower end vet

post ts: lower end YC3. YC4 if you want to lowball him. Would comfortably beat snack

So Luffy with 2 years of training, somehow just increased 1 level while gaining control over 3 types of haki, unlocked a new Gear with 3 forms and trained under Rayleigh while Law or many post time characters can increase several tiers from 1 island to other...

That is pure insanity and hypocrisy.

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@ConquistadoR

 

[Roo]

So Luffy with 2 years of training, somehow just increased 1 level while gaining control over 3 types of haki, unlocked a new Gear with 3 forms and trained under Rayleigh while Law or many post time characters can increase several tiers from 1 island to other...

That is pure insanity and hypocrisy.

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@ConquistadoR

He learned the basics of haki, guys like Law probably learned a few things when they were kids

 

[Kiiro]

He learned the basics of haki, guys like Law probably learned a few things when they were kids

We are not talking about that, we are talking about how much they grow in time.

 

[ConquistadoR]

lower end YC3. YC4 if you want to lowball him. Would comfortably beat snack

Someone that level isnt one Pu away from being peers to Katakuri.

Respect Law first.
Urouge himself beat YC4 Snack, and all Rooftop 5 are > Urouge.
Law was a Shichibukai even and Luffy was even stronger.