Giorno Giovanna vs Yhwach

[Astaro]

In character, no knowledge, fighters start 20 meters apart. Gio has Gold Experience Requiem while Yhwach has Almighty and Soul King powers

 

[Nightlord101]

In character, no knowledge, fighters start 20 meters apart. Gio has Gold Experience Requiem while Yhwach has Almighty and Soul King powers

Two of the most overpowered players in their own verse Gio’s Requiem removes cause and effect to almost anything that harm the user. The almighty Quincy king Yhwach can see and change any event to his liking. Not sure which one wins in this one.

 

[Bob74h]

yhwach solos

 

[Astaro]

My thoughts on this thread: Depends on who uses their powers first. GER resetting things to 0 does include even negating foresight when it countered King Crimson’s Epitaph. Yhwach can null things in turn that he can see in time.

Fight can go either way

 

[T2K Baka]

Since Yhwach starts with the Almighty, then he's already negated GER. He's nulls causality manipulation from Orihime who rejects pasts events and even when Tsukishima made a new timeline in the past, he nulled that later on as well.

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include even negating foresight when it countered King Crimson’s Epitaph

iirc King Crimson can only see the future of one timeline, Yhwach sees infinite timelines and affects them at the same time. I don't think it's fair to compare both of them

 

[Nightlord101]

Since Yhwach starts with the Almighty, then he's already negated GER. He's nulls causality manipulation from Orihime who rejects pasts events and even when Tsukishima made a new timeline in the past, he nulled that later on as well.

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iirc King Crimson can only see the future of one timeline, Yhwach sees infinite timelines and affects them at the same time. I don't think it's fair to compare both of them

Make you wonder did Yhwach turn off the almighty power and relished in his fight against Yamamoto back thousand years ago the first time the Quincy army invaded soul society.

 

[T2K Baka]

Make you wonder did Yhwach turn off the almighty power and relished in his fight against Yamamoto back thousand years ago the first time the Quincy army invaded soul society.

He didn't have it 1000 years ago, the anime basically established this. The quincy had completely evolved since then. It doesn't make sense for him to turn it off when he could've completed his objective way before Ichigo was born

 

[The White Crane]

In character, no knowledge, fighters start 20 meters apart. Gio has Gold Experience Requiem while Yhwach has Almighty and Soul King powers

Giorno solos HST. GER is simply too broken.

 

[Jaguark101]

It might be a stalemate...

 

[T2K Baka]

Giorno solos HST. GER is simply too broken.

I disagree. GER works by reverts the opponent's actions to it's previous state. The Almighty works from the future so an action hasn't been taken for it to be reverted and since Yhwach sees GER from the future, he's immune to it. He's already nulled causality manipulation and his Almighty is passive.

 

[MonsterKaido]

This is one of the most interesting matchups. Giorno wins. Even yhwach has to use the ability of almighty which itself count as an action and hence gets stopped by GER. Even if he goes in future GER still will negate yhwach's ability as GER is always active.

 

[Don Diego]

i bet on Yhwach

 

[The White Crane]

I disagree. GER works by reverts the opponent's actions to it's previous state. The Almighty works from the future so an action hasn't been taken for it to be reverted and since Yhwach sees GER from the future, he's immune to it. He's already nulled causality manipulation and his Almighty is passive.

Firstly, GER is also passive.

Secondly, the fact that GER was able to no diff King Crimson during Skipped Time (that only KC supposedly could move in) means that GER is either immune to or can resist time hax. So even an action from the future like The Almighty can be returned to zero.

 

[T2K Baka]

Firstly, GER is also passive.

Secondly, the fact that GER was able to no diff King Crimson during Skipped Time (that only KC supposedly could move in) means that GER is either immune to or can resist time hax. So even an action from the future like The Almighty can be returned to zero.

I know GER is also passive, but Almighty being passive means he doesn't need to take an "action".

King Crimson's situation is a bit different since he had to commit an action to skip time which got RTZ'd. Yhwach doesn't need to do that since he passively nulls it from the future, an action that hasn't actually been done yet so there isn't anything to revert.


For King Crimson: KC being activated to erase time (committing action) -> Time is erased -> GER RTZ (reverting action)

For Yhwach since Almighty is passive: Yhwach stands (committing no action) -> GER doesn't do anything since there is no action being done

Yhwach has resisted Ichibei's conceptual powers along with nulling Orihime's ability which works similarly to GER.


Unless I'm misunderstanding GER (it's been a while since I've seen that fight), then GER shouldn't be affecting Yhwach.



There's also the stat difference. Even if GER worked, would he even be able damage Yhwach?

Even yhwach has to use the ability of almighty which itself count as an action and hence gets stopped by GER. Even if he goes in future GER still will negate yhwach's ability as GER is always active.

The moment he unlocked the Almighty, it was passive. He only lost due to PIS and certain conditions.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I know GER is also passive, but Almighty being passive means he doesn't need to take an "action".

King Crimson's situation is a bit different since he had to commit an action to skip time which got RTZ'd. Yhwach doesn't need to do that since he passively nulls it from the future, an action that hasn't actually been done yet so there isn't anything to revert.


For King Crimson: KC being activated to erase time (committing action) -> Time is erased -> GER RTZ (reverting action)

For Yhwach since Almighty is passive: Yhwach stands (committing no action) -> GER doesn't do anything since there is no action being done

Yhwach has resisted Ichibei's conceptual powers along with nulling Orihime's ability which works similarly to GER.


Unless I'm misunderstanding GER (it's been a while since I've seen that fight), then GER shouldn't be affecting Yhwach.



There's also the stat difference. Even if GER worked, would he even be able damage Yhwach?



The moment he unlocked the Almighty, it was passive. He only lost due to PIS and certain conditions.

I mean even using almighty ability , he has to go to future where GER will still be active. I don't see how almighty bypasses GER's defense irrespective of future manipulation unless he can kill giorno of different timeline who doesn't have GER and giorno of main timeline dies.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Dawg, this is a stalemate lol.

But iirc, I think GER only activates when there's an action that is aiming at Giorno. Then GER will activates.

Like how King Crimson was trying to attack Giorno then GER got activated.

Yhwach's Almighty is passive (meaning no action involved) so Almighty probably wins this.

 

[T2K Baka]

I mean even using almighty ability , he has to go to future where GER will still be active. I don't see how almighty bypasses GER's defense irrespective of future manipulation unless he can kill giorno of different timeline who doesn't have GER and giorno of main timeline dies.

If he's starting off with the Almighty ON then it's passive. If he has it OFF and has to activate it then I can see an argument made for GER.

Yhwach doesn't actually "jump" from timeline to timeline with his Almighty. He views infinite timelines and just changes them to the way he wants.

The powernull aspect of the Almighty is passive, he's already seen how GER works and negates it. It's nulled conceptual abilities and negated causality manipulation (which is what GER does)

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But iirc, I think GER only activates when there's an action that is aiming at Giorno. Then GER will activates.

This is exactly it. Almighty is passive and attacks from the future when the action hasn't been done but the effects are still there. There's also Yhwach's resistance to GER's effects.

Unless I'm misunderstanding GER.

 

[MonsterKaido]

If he's starting off with the Almighty ON then it's passive. If he has it OFF and has to activate it then I can see an argument made for GER.

Yhwach doesn't actually "jump" from timeline to timeline with his Almighty. He views infinite timelines and just changes them to the way he wants.

The powernull aspect of the Almighty is passive, he's already seen how GER works and negates it. It's nulled conceptual abilities and negated causality manipulation which is what GER is.

I think the way he destroys/negates abilities is by going to future instantly and destroying them. It all comes down to offensive power of almighty and how it works and whether it can by pass GER's causal reversal.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

If he's starting off with the Almighty ON then it's passive. If he has it OFF and has to activate it then I can see an argument made for GER.

Yhwach doesn't actually "jump" from timeline to timeline with his Almighty. He views infinite timelines and just changes them to the way he wants.

The powernull aspect of the Almighty is passive, he's already seen how GER works and negates it. It's nulled conceptual abilities and negated causality manipulation (which is what GER does)

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This is exactly it. Almighty is passive and attacks from the future when the action hasn't been done but the effects are still there. There's also Yhwach's resistance to GER's effects.

Unless I'm misunderstanding GER.

So this confirms that GER will only activates if GER gets attacked first.

 

[Nightlord101]

Yhwach wins this easily with the almighty ability can see into multiple futures and change it. Hell he did it by overpowering the eyeball monk power Yhwach saw it and shattered that outcome and killed him a result. GER probably has chance of someone changing the future at a moment’s notice.