as someone that watched him when he was still in Michigan State, he was at least tolerable in his first few years while being a role player under Mark Jackson in 2012-13 up to his 1st all-star selection in february 2016 when he started contributing a lot under Steve Kerr
I'd say it started turning around for the worst when he resorted to kicking Steven Adams in the balls in the WCF in 2015-16 when he started to build an ego for himself, and he hasn't really changed since
in short, if you're not a Warriors or Michigan State fan, there's almost no real reason to admire the guy whatsoever
I'd say it started turning around for the worst when he resorted to kicking Steven Adams in the balls in the WCF in 2015-16 when he started to build an ego for himself, and he hasn't really changed since
in short, if you're not a Warriors or Michigan State fan, there's almost no real reason to admire the guy whatsoever
I've never agreed with the narrative of Dirk 1-manning it, it's just your typical lazy takes to hype up players for "narrative" talk. I think it's virtually impossible to do that, but folks care about big names and all that jazz rather than actual player performances. Even Lebron pre-Miami wasn't 1-manning anything in the East, but majority of these "All-time" discussions are based on accolades and narratives, so things like "Dirk carried nobodies to the finals!! Won a ring with no-all stars and superstars!!!" same for Lebron/Hakeem/etc sounds better and more impactful than the actual reality.
But it's just flatout disrespectful to the team around the superstar. For example, Dallas outside of 4 games in the 2011 run held all their opposing teams to under 100 points, and that had nearly nothing to do with Dirk.
But it's just flatout disrespectful to the team around the superstar. For example, Dallas outside of 4 games in the 2011 run held all their opposing teams to under 100 points, and that had nearly nothing to do with Dirk.
I don't think he's Rodman or even close to him in that era. Rodman was a better defender and a much better rebounder. Dray even now for me wouldn't even be an allstar let alone superstar if you take him out of the GSW system. He might be able to duplicate it with CJ & Dame, but neither of them have the off-ball game that Curry & Klay did at their peaks. In the 80s & 90s where the 3ball isn't prevalent like that, it's really hard to see his game translate to a superstar extent and I can't think of a single team where he would even come remotely close to fulfilling the role he did in this era.
His post-game ain't much, he doesn't have much of a shot, his defense I suppose could be solid on a team with solid defenders where he could orchestrate it as a defensive anchor but he wouldn't reach the superstar level.
@RobertoTheOharaSurvivor Yea I don't think Dray is coming close to being what Bill was at his peak. Maybe when Dray could hit a consistent 3.
His post-game ain't much, he doesn't have much of a shot, his defense I suppose could be solid on a team with solid defenders where he could orchestrate it as a defensive anchor but he wouldn't reach the superstar level.
@RobertoTheOharaSurvivor Yea I don't think Dray is coming close to being what Bill was at his peak. Maybe when Dray could hit a consistent 3.
There's no superstar equivalent to him. The closest all-star that I could think of him in the 90s is Anthony Mason. Similar size and all-defense players that could pass and run fastbreaks. Only difference is Mason was more of a post scorer and didn't shoot 3s but he could defend Centers back in the 90s.
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Yeah. Compared to Draymond, there weren't a lot of people that wanted to mess with him back in the 90s lol
He's a better scorer and rebounder but Draymond is a better ballhandler and passer like he probably couldn't do that behind the back layup finish that he did against AD. Defense-wise, Mason played with Patrick Ewing for most of his prime that he really didn't show much of being a defensive anchor like Draymond can although he could probably defend bigs better in the post. Draymond is a better help defender and has more active hands with steals or blocks than Mason was.
@Seven7 I don't know if it's my computer or the post got deleted but Ja cannot be serious about showing a gun again LOL. Hilarious when he showed the gun again and his homie quickly tried to hide it
He's a better scorer and rebounder but Draymond is a better ballhandler and passer like he probably couldn't do that behind the back layup finish that he did against AD. Defense-wise, Mason played with Patrick Ewing for most of his prime that he really didn't show much of being a defensive anchor like Draymond can although he could probably defend bigs better in the post. Draymond is a better help defender and has more active hands with steals or blocks than Mason was.
@Seven7 I don't know if it's my computer or the post got deleted but Ja cannot be serious about showing a gun again LOL. Hilarious when he showed the gun again and his homie quickly tried to hide it
Yeah. Compared to Draymond, there weren't a lot of people that wanted to mess with him back in the 90s lol
He's a better scorer and rebounder but Draymond is a better ballhandler and passer like he probably couldn't do that behind the back layup finish that he did against AD. Defense-wise, Mason played with Patrick Ewing for most of his prime that he really didn't show much of being a defensive anchor like Draymond can although he could probably defend bigs better in the post. Draymond is a better help defender and has more active hands with steals or blocks than Mason was.
@Seven7 I don't know if it's my computer or the post got deleted but Ja cannot be serious about showing a gun again LOL. Hilarious when he showed the gun again and his homie quickly tried to hide it
He's a better scorer and rebounder but Draymond is a better ballhandler and passer like he probably couldn't do that behind the back layup finish that he did against AD. Defense-wise, Mason played with Patrick Ewing for most of his prime that he really didn't show much of being a defensive anchor like Draymond can although he could probably defend bigs better in the post. Draymond is a better help defender and has more active hands with steals or blocks than Mason was.
@Seven7 I don't know if it's my computer or the post got deleted but Ja cannot be serious about showing a gun again LOL. Hilarious when he showed the gun again and his homie quickly tried to hide it
But Ja really dumb as hell,
Get ready for another espn interview
This time he ain't got dilion brooks to take the fall damage due to how ass he played in the playoffs
They didn't stop KD lol
KD shots were just not falling.
Nothing to do with Nuggets defence
Nuggets gonna lise if Murray and MPJ keep being inconsistent
They won 2 games with fluke hot games from KCP
Nope
Steph isn't Shaq
Steph is like Kobe, more loved , more championships and better legacy than KD (who's like Shaq) yet Kobe isn't greater player than Shaq
Prime Shaq will always be the number 1 optio if he teams up with Prime Kobe , same thing with kD and Curry
GSW beat KD once in 7 games, people talk as if they beat him KD many times in playoffs lol
That series was also won by Klay getting hot.
One playoffs series doesn't show everything
Even 3..
MJ lost many times without beating Bird , even had more Ls vs Magic and Thomas yet still better than them as players...also has better legacy
This man sucks
He saw Nuggets pulling thd lead up to 10, he didn't call timeout
Average coach
The hate on Brooks & Grizz is because they didn't wanna worship Bron as MEDIA and fans do
Jokic can be top 10 center all time if he wins a title and continues playing great the next 3-5 seasons
KD shots were just not falling.
Nothing to do with Nuggets defence
Nuggets gonna lise if Murray and MPJ keep being inconsistent
They won 2 games with fluke hot games from KCP
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Nope
Steph isn't Shaq
Steph is like Kobe, more loved , more championships and better legacy than KD (who's like Shaq) yet Kobe isn't greater player than Shaq
Prime Shaq will always be the number 1 optio if he teams up with Prime Kobe , same thing with kD and Curry
GSW beat KD once in 7 games, people talk as if they beat him KD many times in playoffs lol
That series was also won by Klay getting hot.
One playoffs series doesn't show everything
Even 3..
MJ lost many times without beating Bird , even had more Ls vs Magic and Thomas yet still better than them as players...also has better legacy
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This man sucks
He saw Nuggets pulling thd lead up to 10, he didn't call timeout
Average coach
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The hate on Brooks & Grizz is because they didn't wanna worship Bron as MEDIA and fans do
Jokic can be top 10 center all time if he wins a title and continues playing great the next 3-5 seasons
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