[FNZ] Role Madness Jujutsu Kaisen Mafia - Shibuya Incident [Game Ended = Mafia + Traitor + Neutral Indie Won!]

[Ratchet]

@Destroya you did something positive to Gram right?
What made you town read him exactly? He didn't do much during d1.

He's amended that to "neutral".

 

[ConquistadoR]

He's amended that to "neutral".

Yea but what would he want to do to someone who didn't even post much though?
@Destroya you should claim your ability that you used. And the reasoning behind it.

 

[Neeko]

So you're full of shit, got it. You want me to claim because you saw me use an ability in Gram, an ability I've claimed is neutral. You have no smoking gun, I am not cooked, you have not given me further reasons on anything, yet you expect me to listen to you unquestionably and claim my role for what reason?

TBf wtf is a neutral role

 

[Destroya]

Because with Kiku having come forward before you offered anything, we can't read into it at all. It doesn't help that frankly, your arguments against Naomi aren't really compelling.

But I can't be held accountable for Kiku jumping the gun. He said he had a Sherlock case on me and that I was cooked, and all he said was that he tracked me to Gram. Does that confidence from Kiku not strike you as fake? Does Kiku's info actually prove anything? I don't think he's handled my slot and his info in good faith at all here.

My argument against Naomi was because of how she claimed hider and what I thought was contradictory information.

 

[Destroya]

My only real experience interacting with him is from the batman game and to me he felt like this then, too. Always dodging and responding with questions and no answers over and over and over, and getting pissy when I do the same in kind

I was cult that game and playing as town, so...

 

[Ultra]

@Ultra Read on X?

My problem here with X is that, when he's scum, he tends to play nice and co-operative. He'll espouse reluctance to claim, but after getting the dog and pony show of it out of the way, he'd do so. Here he's digging his heels in, and I'm not really sure to what ends he would benefit from this?

Basically this. But I haven't been paying super close attention. I think it's possible for him to fill himself with hot air if he has no other explanation here but otherwise his pushback seems confident. I can give him a pass but he will have to claim eventually and his obstinate behavior will have to be weighed against what he thinks is valuable to hide

 

[Destroya]

Yea but what would he want to do to someone who didn't even post much though?
@Destroya you should claim your ability that you used. And the reasoning behind it.

Conq, you are about the fifth person to ask me to claim and the and the answer is still no.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

TBf wtf is a neutral role

Anything not directly positive or negative.

Ie bus drives, investigations, messages, etc

 

[Neeko]

My problem here with X is that, when he's scum, he tends to play nice and co-operative. He'll espouse reluctance to claim, but after getting the dog and pony show of it out of the way, he'd do so. Here he's digging his heels in, and I'm not really sure to what ends he would benefit from this?

He was nice and cooperative last game in your game

 

[Destroya]

TBf wtf is a neutral role

Something that is not positive and something that is not harmful.

 

[Ratchet]

But I can't be held accountable for Kiku jumping the gun. He said he had a Sherlock case on me and that I was cooked, and all he said was that he tracked me to Gram. Does that confidence from Kiku not strike you as fake? Does Kiku's info actually prove anything? I don't think he's handled my slot and his info in good faith at all here.

My argument against Naomi was because of how she claimed hider and what I thought was contradictory information.

No, but it can't just be ignored either. Especially when your target doesn't particularly enthuse me either. There's a lot of situational stuff at play here that I'm struggling to cut past. For example, your pushing Naomi here could correlate with whatever you meant to do to her not working. I can't really put stock in that, but I need something.

 

[Destroya]

He was nice and cooperative last game in your game

I was very nice in that game, wasn't I! I believe I was town there as well. :)

 

[Ratchet]

He was nice and cooperative last game in your game

He did explicitly note he was playng differently, but you kind of missed my point - as scum he puts on fronts, fronts that he later walks back. As town, he can be *very* stubborn.

 

[Destroya]

No, but it can't just be ignored either. Especially when your target doesn't particularly enthuse me either. There's a lot of situational stuff at play here that I'm struggling to cut past. For example, your pushing Naomi here could correlate with whatever you meant to do to her not working. I can't really put stock in that, but I need something.

Did I really push Naomi, though? Like I said, I didn't like how she claimed hider and thought it was a bit clumsy. I also thought that what she was saying contradicted information I had. I also just watched Lethal fake hider and get lynched as GF for that.

Are you actually believing what you're saying here?

 

[Orwellian]

Almost caught up, friends.

I am pretty confused about a few things so need a bit of recap even after that from someone here. What happened to @Ultra ? @Joygirl why are you voting Destroya? Did you not before read him as town due to his activity in day 1? What has changed between that and now in day 2? Is this because of Naomi hiding behind Grammaton but not understanding how her role works?

Kiku also seems hellbent on Destroya.
Conq is hyper focused for the most part on Broki.
Why is Midnight's trolling and cookie crumbles about having vague *info* on who Gojo is being seriously still considered? I hate to echo Ratchet on this but he's not going to be very helpful in scum hunting besides wasting posts so why any hestitation about his slot not being assassinated due to uselessness to town, even if he is town?

And what happened to the Broki wagon?

 

[Ratchet]

Did I really push Naomi, though? Like I said, I didn't like how she claimed hider and thought it was a bit clumsy. I also thought that what she was saying contradicted information I had. I also just watched Lethal fake hider and get lynched as GF for that.

Are you actually believing what you're saying here?

I'd say you pushed her, yes. What's your read there?

 

[Destroya]

He did explicitly note he was playng differently, but you kind of missed my point - as scum he puts on fronts, fronts that he later walks back. As town, he can be *very* stubborn.

So I'm town then, yeah?

 

[Ratchet]

So I'm town then, yeah?

Did you not read my earlier post?

My problem here with X is that, when he's scum, he tends to play nice and co-operative. He'll espouse reluctance to claim, but after getting the dog and pony show of it out of the way, he'd do so. Here he's digging his heels in, and I'm not really sure to what ends he would benefit from this?

 

[hime]

Sell it

i concede he was most likely town yesterday
tho today, something that stuck out to me during the whole transfigure thing was how he said he has a new role but didnt know what it was and that he was still town

personally idk how this even makes sense
the transfigure was def done by a hostile or mafia
y give someone a brand new role that they cant use but still keep their wincon?
i find it more likely that ekko wouldve had the target simply become vanilla

it makes me wonder if ultra is no longer town and now has an excuse to still be able to target ppl at night if tracked ("i was just seeing if anything happened so i could figure out what my new role is")

 

[Ratchet]

I hate to echo Ratchet on this

Uh, why?