Volume 106 - Discussion Thread (July 4th, 2023)

S-Snake SBS --> Anti-Sanji Legion's L.
Jabra being weaker than Masked Agents --> Sanji Fandom's L.
Sentomaru's backstory --> L for Sentomaru fans but he got included in Kidd's and Zoro's SBS flashbacks.
Ryokugyu having a sad backstory --> W for Ryokugyu fans for not revealing his full backstory in a SBS.
Fujitora's Honorable Justice and Ryokugyu's Lethal/Deadly Justice --> Ws for Fuji and Ryo fans.
Law's Kroom --> W for Law fans I guess?
Katakuri's Mogura and Law's Kikoku --> .......
Nami kicking Lucci --> Nami's W.
 
I would be extremely happy if Oda did this. He does have a lot of respect for the Marines, especially the Admirals, Koby, Smoker (not in terms of powerscaling/feats post TS though clearly lol) and such and especially who the Admirals are based on ofc.

Green Bull's tattoo implied a very sad backstory and he seemed the typical happy go lucky, easy going guy with a tragic backstory, like the sad clown/comedian cliche, when we saw him at Reverie. When he said he hadn't eaten for 3 years, I wondered if he purposely starved himself out of guilt or lost his appetite out of grief and his fruit kept him alive all this time, despite that. Or he was forced to go into some kind of hibernation, using his fruit to keep himself alive as he recovered for 3 years too.



His tattoo refers to a sad story about the suicide/deaths of two lovers involving a tree, I think drowning in a river by the tree and or one hanging themselves from the tree at least? I forgot the story lol. Shunsui's Bankai in Bleach TYBW directly referred to and thus was inspired entirely around this story too. I even suspected Green Bull might be lightly inspired by him due to that somehow.

https://gamerant.com/one-piece-admiral-green-bull-ryokugyu-facts/

Green Bull's behaviour is so exaggerated, so extreme, he's either truly devout and brainwashed, even more than Akainu is especially OR he's playing a role, he's faking it for his own personal agendas. Oda changed his character DRASTICALLY and I was insistent after his VA died that Oda would change how he depicted Green Bull but some people were skeptical of that idea to me lol. Green Bull is completely different now to how Oda depicted him at Reverie before, an entirely different character. BUT I think that version of Green Bull could and thus still may exist currently too as another side to this Green Bull we have now.

Oda is the type of author to make us "cry for the devil". He made the likes of Doflamingo, Senor Pink, Orochi, Kanjuro, Big Mom, Katakuri etc seem like tragic sympathetic characters and I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same for the Admirals. Its been implied the original Admirals have tragic, fucked up backgrounds, very much the same with Blackbeard too and Oda loves his tragic, fucked up backstories too ofc.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CryForTheDevil

Fujitora has always had hints of a tragic backstory. A truly honourable, benevolent old man but he also speaks with immense gravitas and solemness at times, even trying to send people to "hell" and showing immense selflessness and regrets too. Since he's based on Zatoichi too, it helps inspire his character a lot and suggest what Oda has planned for him too.

Isn't it funny Zoro's family are associated with gambling, Fujitora's full name is unknown and Fujitora loves gambling too? One Piece has matched up Fujitora with Zoro multiple times, with Fujitora even personally targeting Zoro in Stampede at least...



Imo, Mihawk, Zoro and Fujitora will all be connected, as in Fujitora to both of them too but I can't really explain why/how fully yet. All speculation for now.

Fujitora's song is very melancholic too, it has that real 80's vibe to it, that sort of blues and samurai film eras vibes too:


The time is now to bet humanity and justice in the gambling den

In any case, this world is made up of evens or odds

Even though the current me cannot see

Malicious faces are the only ones I can see crystal clear

The gangs that form in the bars

And the fallen justice have not changed

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The Nebuta’s tiger can only move on the shoulders of men

It is a truly unfortunate occupation

Rassera Rassera Hinging on the answer

Rassera Rassera The unsettled tiger

In its respected domain, I sheathe my sword

The sun sees through my tricks

Those who dedicate themselves to this festival

Are wondrously spirited

Although there are good and evil in life

None are light or heavy

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The concealing fangs on the Nebuta tiger

When all worldly phenomena becomes transient,

Rassera Rassera Be unfearing of God

Rassera Rassera The howling tiger

Rassera Rassera

The gangs that form in the bars

And the fallen justice have not changed

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The Nebuta’s tiger can only move on the shoulders of men

It is a truly unfortunate occupation

Rassera Rassera Hinging on the answer

Rassera Rassera The unsettled tigerThe time is now to bet humanity and justice in the gambling den

In any case, this world is made up of evens or odds

Even though the current me cannot see

Malicious faces are the only ones I can see crystal clear

The gangs that form in the bars

And the fallen justice have not changed

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The Nebuta’s tiger can only move on the shoulders of men

It is a truly unfortunate occupation

Rassera Rassera Hinging on the answer

Rassera Rassera The unsettled tiger

In its respected domain, I sheathe my sword

The sun sees through my tricks

Those who dedicate themselves to this festival

Are wondrously spirited

Although there are good and evil in life

None are light or heavy

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The concealing fangs on the Nebuta tiger

When all worldly phenomena becomes transient,

Rassera Rassera Be unfearing of God

Rassera Rassera The howling tiger

Rassera Rassera

The gangs that form in the bars

And the fallen justice have not changed

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The Nebuta’s tiger can only move on the shoulders of men

It is a truly unfortunate occupation

Rassera Rassera Hinging on the answer

Rassera Rassera The unsettled tiger

I also asked ChatGPT to summarise the saddest problems Zatoichi has faced over the various stories about him and this is what I got:
  1. Zatoichi's Loneliness: Being blind and a master swordsman makes Zatoichi a formidable character, but it also isolates him from others. Despite his kind heart, he often struggles with loneliness, unable to form lasting connections due to his transient lifestyle.
  2. His Unrequited Love: In several films, Zatoichi forms connections with women who he inevitably cannot be with due to his itinerant lifestyle and involvement in violent conflicts. This often leads to heartbreak.
  3. His Inability to Escape Violence: Despite his desires for a peaceful existence, Zatoichi constantly finds himself embroiled in violent situations. His superior sword skills often make him a target for those looking to prove themselves, resulting in unending cycles of violence.
  4. The Tragic Outcomes: Many of Zatoichi's adventures end in tragedy. People he befriends often die, and his interventions, while well-intentioned, sometimes lead to unintended consequences, contributing to his overall sadness and guilt.
  5. His Disability: Zatoichi's blindness, while adding depth to his character and skills, also adds a layer of sadness to his story. He faces discrimination and is often underestimated, despite his incredible abilities.
I was gonna mention he sounds like a Rurouni Kenshin character or even Kenshin himself and this seems to help that now too. The tragic wandering, remorseful swordsman/wanderer. One of the Seven Samurai was like that IIRC, Vash The Stampede, Sakata Gintoki and many other characters (including Mihawk) are based on these ideas/concepts too imo.









Fujitora and Green Bull like Zoro are related to Wano imo, hell I think Akainu might be at least too. Momonga. NOT from there but related to people there, having lineage/ancestry there. Hence they inherit Wano's history too indirectly. The hatred the Kurozumi both experienced towards themselves and for others too is not so dissimilar to Akainu and his "Absolute Justice" hatred of pirates too. There's other stuff too but I'll keep it as brief as possible for now lol.

I'm listening to this song right now and it feels like it could fit for a character like Kuzan, Fujitora, Drago or whoever:


Hope my usual nonsensical rambling makes some semblance of sense anwyay lol.



Fucking Oda...

:pepeke::pepeanger:
:kidwat::mrgo:
You should make a thread about this
:moonwalk:
Great post
 
I would be extremely happy if Oda did this. He does have a lot of respect for the Marines, especially the Admirals, Koby, Smoker (not in terms of powerscaling/feats post TS though clearly lol) and such and especially who the Admirals are based on ofc.

Green Bull's tattoo implied a very sad backstory and he seemed the typical happy go lucky, easy going guy with a tragic backstory, like the sad clown/comedian cliche, when we saw him at Reverie. When he said he hadn't eaten for 3 years, I wondered if he purposely starved himself out of guilt or lost his appetite out of grief and his fruit kept him alive all this time, despite that. Or he was forced to go into some kind of hibernation, using his fruit to keep himself alive as he recovered for 3 years too.



His tattoo refers to a sad story about the suicide/deaths of two lovers involving a tree, I think drowning in a river by the tree and or one hanging themselves from the tree at least? I forgot the story lol. Shunsui's Bankai in Bleach TYBW directly referred to and thus was inspired entirely around this story too. I even suspected Green Bull might be lightly inspired by him due to that somehow.

https://gamerant.com/one-piece-admiral-green-bull-ryokugyu-facts/

Green Bull's behaviour is so exaggerated, so extreme, he's either truly devout and brainwashed, even more than Akainu is especially OR he's playing a role, he's faking it for his own personal agendas. Oda changed his character DRASTICALLY and I was insistent after his VA died that Oda would change how he depicted Green Bull but some people were skeptical of that idea to me lol. Green Bull is completely different now to how Oda depicted him at Reverie before, an entirely different character. BUT I think that version of Green Bull could and thus still may exist currently too as another side to this Green Bull we have now.

Oda is the type of author to make us "cry for the devil". He made the likes of Doflamingo, Senor Pink, Orochi, Kanjuro, Big Mom, Katakuri etc seem like tragic sympathetic characters and I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same for the Admirals. Its been implied the original Admirals have tragic, fucked up backgrounds, very much the same with Blackbeard too and Oda loves his tragic, fucked up backstories too ofc.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CryForTheDevil

Fujitora has always had hints of a tragic backstory. A truly honourable, benevolent old man but he also speaks with immense gravitas and solemness at times, even trying to send people to "hell" and showing immense selflessness and regrets too. Since he's based on Zatoichi too, it helps inspire his character a lot and suggest what Oda has planned for him too.

Isn't it funny Zoro's family are associated with gambling, Fujitora's full name is unknown and Fujitora loves gambling too? One Piece has matched up Fujitora with Zoro multiple times, with Fujitora even personally targeting Zoro in Stampede at least...



Imo, Mihawk, Zoro and Fujitora will all be connected, as in Fujitora to both of them too but I can't really explain why/how fully yet. All speculation for now.

Fujitora's song is very melancholic too, it has that real 80's vibe to it, that sort of blues and samurai film eras vibes too:


The time is now to bet humanity and justice in the gambling den

In any case, this world is made up of evens or odds

Even though the current me cannot see

Malicious faces are the only ones I can see crystal clear

The gangs that form in the bars

And the fallen justice have not changed

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The Nebuta’s tiger can only move on the shoulders of men

It is a truly unfortunate occupation

Rassera Rassera Hinging on the answer

Rassera Rassera The unsettled tiger

In its respected domain, I sheathe my sword

The sun sees through my tricks

Those who dedicate themselves to this festival

Are wondrously spirited

Although there are good and evil in life

None are light or heavy

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The concealing fangs on the Nebuta tiger

When all worldly phenomena becomes transient,

Rassera Rassera Be unfearing of God

Rassera Rassera The howling tiger

Rassera Rassera

The gangs that form in the bars

And the fallen justice have not changed

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The Nebuta’s tiger can only move on the shoulders of men

It is a truly unfortunate occupation

Rassera Rassera Hinging on the answer

Rassera Rassera The unsettled tigerThe time is now to bet humanity and justice in the gambling den

In any case, this world is made up of evens or odds

Even though the current me cannot see

Malicious faces are the only ones I can see crystal clear

The gangs that form in the bars

And the fallen justice have not changed

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The Nebuta’s tiger can only move on the shoulders of men

It is a truly unfortunate occupation

Rassera Rassera Hinging on the answer

Rassera Rassera The unsettled tiger

In its respected domain, I sheathe my sword

The sun sees through my tricks

Those who dedicate themselves to this festival

Are wondrously spirited

Although there are good and evil in life

None are light or heavy

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The concealing fangs on the Nebuta tiger

When all worldly phenomena becomes transient,

Rassera Rassera Be unfearing of God

Rassera Rassera The howling tiger

Rassera Rassera

The gangs that form in the bars

And the fallen justice have not changed

Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera

No need to rush, now is not the time

The Nebuta’s tiger can only move on the shoulders of men

It is a truly unfortunate occupation

Rassera Rassera Hinging on the answer

Rassera Rassera The unsettled tiger

I also asked ChatGPT to summarise the saddest problems Zatoichi has faced over the various stories about him and this is what I got:
  1. Zatoichi's Loneliness: Being blind and a master swordsman makes Zatoichi a formidable character, but it also isolates him from others. Despite his kind heart, he often struggles with loneliness, unable to form lasting connections due to his transient lifestyle.
  2. His Unrequited Love: In several films, Zatoichi forms connections with women who he inevitably cannot be with due to his itinerant lifestyle and involvement in violent conflicts. This often leads to heartbreak.
  3. His Inability to Escape Violence: Despite his desires for a peaceful existence, Zatoichi constantly finds himself embroiled in violent situations. His superior sword skills often make him a target for those looking to prove themselves, resulting in unending cycles of violence.
  4. The Tragic Outcomes: Many of Zatoichi's adventures end in tragedy. People he befriends often die, and his interventions, while well-intentioned, sometimes lead to unintended consequences, contributing to his overall sadness and guilt.
  5. His Disability: Zatoichi's blindness, while adding depth to his character and skills, also adds a layer of sadness to his story. He faces discrimination and is often underestimated, despite his incredible abilities.
I was gonna mention he sounds like a Rurouni Kenshin character or even Kenshin himself and this seems to help that now too. The tragic wandering, remorseful swordsman/wanderer. One of the Seven Samurai was like that IIRC, Vash The Stampede, Sakata Gintoki and many other characters (including Mihawk) are based on these ideas/concepts too imo.









Fujitora and Green Bull like Zoro are related to Wano imo, hell I think Akainu might be at least too. Momonga as well and maybe Onigumo. NOT from there specficially but related to people there, having lineage/ancestry there. Hence they inherit Wano's history too indirectly. The hatred the Kurozumi both experienced towards themselves and for others too is not so dissimilar to Akainu and his "Absolute Justice" hatred of pirates too. There's other stuff too but I'll keep it as brief as possible for now lol.

I'm listening to this song right now and it feels like it could fit for a character like Kuzan, Fujitora, Drago or whoever:


Hope my usual nonsensical rambling makes some semblance of sense anwyay lol.



Fucking Oda...

:pepeke::pepeanger:
:kidwat::mrgo:
1st off this was such a good read i never knew any of this stuff about the tatoo nor zatochi problems... i need to reread kenshin at some point for sure maybe some more similarities are there.

2nd point...fuji theme song is a absolute banger :funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky::funky:
Rassera Rassera Rassera Rassera gonna be stuck in my head all day it was nice having his theme song reading about him. (It is now on repeat and i am addicted )
 
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