Controversial General Political Discussion

[Toby D. Dog]

It all started with this post i believe."They were a communist regime"Yes,true."The means of production is no longer owned by the state".Yes,true,but if you make it big brother Putin will ask for 50% of your shit.

I'm aware of the nordic model,but that is not what happens in these places we where discussing.I believe we both confused each other statements.

I'm not talking about the nordic model. If you want to have a conversation with me what you could do is actually argue in good faith about your support of capitalism. You misconstrue people's words in order to paint capitalism the way you want to see it instead of what it is at a fundamental level. You pretend that an oligarchy which is still capitalism since the mean of production are still entirely privately owned is actually communism cause the state has deep ties to billionaires in Russia. Don't be disingenuous. If you're gonna make a case you should at least make a case to why capitalism in its current iteration is actually good for society instead of pivoting to accuse everybody of liking Cuba and its regime.

 

[NAMELESS]

And here it is ladies and gentlemen. A man without an ounce of nuanced thought who asks a question which he already knows the answer to. The conversation turned into that as it progressed. Now you feel the need to regress to that point cause you don't have a response to what I'm saying. You know what my answer is, and you know what I think about Russia. I'd respect you better if you could actually defend your position from a place of consistent ideology instead of making wild claims and backing it up all with "leftism = state control therefore russia = leftist" You're just not intellectually honest dude. All you want to do is call me a communist regardless of what my real position is.

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1-I never called you a communist.I wasn't even addressing you when i made that post about capitalism and Russia.You were the one that quoted my shit.
2-Yes,for the most part leftism is basically calling for a big brother government to watch over you.There are many variations of socialism,if your ideology doesn't fit into it,its a exception rather than the rule.Russia is not a democracy,nor a true free market.Its run by a mafia,you are allowed to be a billionaire in there as long as you give 50% of your stuff to Putin.You said Russia was not a left regime,which is obviously a lie.I already explained the reason why it is:fake democracy/elections,social engineering,oligarchs running the show,billionaires needing to give up 50% of their money to Putin and his goons and so on...Like it or not,most left wing regimes end up becoming authoritarian at some point.Western Europe kind had some compromise system going on,but now its clear Europe is shifting into authoritarianism. If you don't see that,then there is no point going further with this.Have a nice day.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Never feel ashamed to have wild ideas flowing through your mind, ask @CoC: Color of Clowns he's the literal king of it

Do you want to hear my violent war fantasies?

This is actually false. Volcanoes produce carbon in million metric tonnes per annum while carbon produced by humans are in Billion metric tonnes

Don't debate a climate change denier. They're the new flat earthers.

But they allowed people to own small farms and live on your own.

Are you praising a communist regime here??

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Do you want to hear my violent war fantasies?

Considering that I've joked about cannibalism, I say go for it

 

[Zolo]

Do you want to hear my violent war fantasies? Don't debate a climate change denier. They're the new flat earthers. Are you praising a communist regime here??

No.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Considering that I've joked about cannibalism, I say go for it

No.
You don't want to hear that, trust me.
Most of all because I am not joking.

No.

You said communist Russia allowed small farms.
You also said that the leftist woke Soros cabal cracks down on small farmers.
Now try making this sound consistent.

 

[NAMELESS]

I'm not talking about the nordic model. If you want to have a conversation with me what you could do is actually argue in good faith about your support of capitalism. You misconstrue people's words in order to paint capitalism the way you want to see it instead of what it is at a fundamental level. You pretend that an oligarchy which is still capitalism since the mean of production are still entirely privately owned is actually communism cause the state has deep ties to billionaires in Russia. Don't be disingenuous. If you're gonna make a case you should at least make a case to why capitalism in its current iteration is actually good for society instead of pivoting to accuse everybody of liking Cuba and its regime.

A case for capitalism?The most developed nations are the ones that have the most economical freedom.Capitalism is systematically eradicating poverty world wide.
I see what this fuss is all about now...I said it before and will say it again for the last time:Communism is not about the Marxist model of controlling the means of production.It never was.Its about control and power over society.Communists abandoned the Marxist model.The new forms of Communism will be a free market highly regulated by government,fake democracies and a Orwellian state feeding shit to people's mind(social engineering) and that is exactly what is happening all over the west.Communism was NOT about controlling who produces shit,its about controlling society.The Communist Manifesto was just propaganda.Communism is a CULTURE,its has its own values and perpetuates those values over generations.Every new generation of communists spits on the previous ones and claim they werent true communists.Their staple strategy is to make promises of a better world in order to rise to positions of power in society.That is what communism is all about:a big scheme to get psychos in power.Don't bother quoting this post,you are to attached to theoretical models and you certainly lack knowledge about history.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

No.
You don't want to hear that, trust me.
Most of all because I am not joking.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

At least there's no cannibalism

 

[Zolo]

No.
You don't want to hear that, trust me.
Most of all because I am not joking.

You said communist Russia allowed small farms.
You also said that the leftist woke Soros cabal cracks down on small farmers.
Now try making this sound consistent.

Im saying they allowed for small farms to exist and that is true. But if it all continued to this day it allw ould be gone aswell. Becouse in conmunism if government says you cant own you cant. Its allways a slipery slope. I dont support commies or nazis. So stop puting those labels on me

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

At least there's no cannibalism

It was a harmless joke

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Im saying they allowed for small farms to exist and that is true. But if it all continued to this day it allw ould be gone aswell. Becouse in conmunism if government says you cant own you cant. Its allways a slipery slope. I dont support commies or nazis. So stop puting those labels on me

Oh right, leftist Soros cabal are Tejas's words

 

[Logiko]

You must be living under a god damn rock to believe some of the stuff you say.

Nah just in France

This really doesn't make sense right ? Because you just said "we have to push further, they're scared but not of the rioters, they're scared of the cops". Are you like pro-police-state now ?

The police is one of the last barrier of the power. So our goal is to break this barrier or to bring them back with us. Problem here, the barrier is the problem and is far right.. that why riots are happening, we must put pressure on the power to make them take a side.

The power in France (Macron) is centrist. Meaning that it is a rightist power (you can see because of all the liberal reform) that want to be seen as progressive (you can also see that because of their communication). The thing is... this is a contradiction.

You can't become the "right" and be progressive. Simply because the right is fondamentaly conservative.

That's why you can see here a minister stutter when it comes to denounce the 1 M gofundme donation to the murderer of Nahel. This minister is from the left so he KNOWS that he HAS to denounce this donation. The problem is that denouncing that donation would confess to all syndicate of policemen that supported the guy that there is a systemic problem in the problem and that the far right, the right and the syndicate are WRONG. But the police is the ONLY line of defense against the power. Confessing a systemic problem would mean shatter the entire spine of the gouvernment that during 10+ years did everything to support the police, rally the right and dediabolized the far right.

Basically, confessing a systemic problem in the police would be like saying: "we are hypocrite" and blaming everything on the police. Which would turn the police, the conservative right and the far right AGAINST the government for good. Macron, rennaissance and the right would be shattered for years !

That's why this guy has no choice but to stutter.

That's why being a "centrist" is always a trap.

Violence against your own government and people should never be a solution.

It should not yes, but sometimes its the only choice.

Because you forgot to say three words here:

Riots are expression of anger and frustration

Riots are the LAST expression of anger and frustration BEFORE WAR.

you have no debate, you are wrong on every single thing you say

I'm right and I feel that you guys are starting to see it.

The one's that rioting are just gangs and street thugs. They clearly don't represent the struggle of a minority as they would value property.

I think you don't understand who is rioting right now..

The root of the issues is simply unresolvable as there's limit what a government can do

No, the riot could end tonight. The governement just has to make the right choices.

The riots don't affect them for the moment

The rioter won't affect me. At worst they will burn the shop where I take my food.. I will have to walk for another one, big deal. And if there isn't one left, well, too bad, I'll drink water and I have a lot of pasta. I can ration myself for some weeks I'm sure.

Man all the news from Europe makes me a racist

yup

There are too much immigration in some of the european countries and they can't handle it.

We can handle immigration just fine don't worry about it. You are just scared of little fires.

If you riots and causes destruction you just reinforce the harmful stereotypes and more prone to hatred and hostile policies

While pushing the governement to move. We fight the stereotypes once the governements moves, AFTER a riot. It's a lot easier.

I don't even get why he felt the need to announce he was leaving for a bit

To prepare you for my come back hehe

This doesn’t have a happy ending for anyone involved.

Not for the governement sure the hell not.

Im corrent and right

lol

Remember they are rioting for a greater cause. The right to race freely in the streets and to keep trafficking drugs without the cops interrupting them.

Where do crime comes from ?

I have more political knowladge than all of you liberals combined

You are the liberal here bro lol

Biggest enemy of black people are black people themselves

No its racists and Police.

its a good read (mein Kampf) , I recommend

I want to see you calling me nazi to my face

Let me guess, You would punch him with your big hetero muscles?

sure you would fatso. calling me nazi when you dont even know what its about. just proved yourself you are illitarate on the subject and fat

How many sociology book did you read in your life ?

at least you admit you are fat and weak

Do you consider fat and weak people low class citizens ? (just trying to seewhere you fit on the sociologic and political scale)

Im forest dweller OK, thats a plus not a minus...

Do you consider lumberjacks as a good representation of masculinity ? (Still trying to situate you on the socio political scale, don't mind me)

what makes full nazi is totally different

You seem to know your stuff about nazi man.... ...
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.....
.....
Just sayin (still making my scale toup toudoup toudoup... toudoup... )

fascist stuff that leftists stole

lol

this sounds emotional , not rational

Are emotions a problem for you ? Is it hard for you to share your emotions with your buddies ?

The nazi=right wing stuff is up for some debate

No its not. And I follow dozens of those history scientist bro. They are all agreeing that their is a consensus in the scientific community: Fascism/Nazism is a far right ideology. :)

no, its just you guys calling me nazi, but never even studied him or nazism

Well I studied Nazism..

but now you call centrists far right

No, we call far right "far right". Generally I call centrist "confusionnists" or "rightists".

media and social networks ban all right wing people and conservatives its a long known fact

yeah making sure conservative are shadow banned and have no reach was the best thing to happen

Strange, on my twitter they have a boulevard on twitter since december.. really strange. I musk live on mars.

Everything is up for debate,They called themselves German national socialists,his regime had a lot of state control which is classical in communism,nationalism also happened in Russia back in USSR days...I don't want to start this debate,but people pretend that Hitler never had anything to do with socialism,which is bullshit.Just like USSR not being communist is bullshit(looking at you c4n).

Read or take a look at sociology and Umberto Eco my dear bro

he was left wing nacionalist. its easy .... right wing is for less government , left wing is for more. but they want to make conservatives to look bad... now entire world is run by WEF and they sure are love theyr unelected rule of the world like fascists they are

Three thing:

- He used the word socialism to appeal to the crowds he was never a leftist, musolini was, but turn far right and thus creating fascism. Ideology taken by the mustach mustard.
- We don't want conservative to look bad, they look bad because they usually do bad things.
- The world is ruled by capitalists and liberals, not leftists.

hes right wing in some aspects and left wing in others

Still no. Full fascist mate

i dont see what is so shocking here

That precisely the problem

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Sorry I'm watching a stream I'm taking my time lol

Nobody should correct anything,let information flow freely.The actual television channels lie all the fucking time and they never get censored.If someone committing a crime on the internet,take it to court.Censoring will only hide the problem.

You have really no idea of the consequence of what you are describing do ya ?

elon should unban alex jones

Oh.. Do I have to add conspiracy theorist to your political resume that I'm creating in my head?

sounds more like left politics disquised as right

Invert that sentence and you will have reality sir

You know what, I actually somewhat agree with you.

Not like t

How is it that we're still having to explain to you guys the difference between socialism, communism, and capitalism? This is middle school level shit, it all comes down to who owns the means of production.

+666

I guess Russia is super left wing nowadays and not a totalitarian right wing regime...

Every rightist here bugged out yersteday when I ask those two question:

- Is Russia leftist now ?
- What was the political spectrum of ISIS ?

This is hyper challenging for them because their contradictions causes a 404 error not found. hehe

crazy stuff he says turns out to be true sometimes.

Nolol

government just exist to prevent real capitalism from happening.

,_,

The left now has been reduced to LGBTQ parades among other social issues, so the entirety of the western left is capitalist by default lol

Deleuze en PLS..

Capitalism is free trade of goods and services.If some billionaire does lobby to suppress small/middle sized business,he isn't a capitalist

,_,

.The left wing movement is about creating a society completely controlled by the state

Sigh.. No.

The human rights/lgbt/femminism stuff was something Stalin himself thought about

I would love some sources on that

People that expect we will come up with an Utopia on this planet need to wake up to reality

Why Wake up when we can fight to create paradise ?

Capitalism got him to where he is now. Humans are animals at the end of the day. Biology wins

Do you think biology is a real science and history is not ? Do you think that human are wired to rule over each others ? Do you think that man are biologically superior to women ? (still trying to situate you on my imaginary scale bro tkt)

Totalitarian LEFT wing regime

Totalitarism is more of a far right thing to do .. just sayin..

In a democratic socialist society a private entity would be run in a more democratic way. You own your own labor therefore you have a say when it comes to production. The means of production are owned collectively, with certain industries completely out of the free market. No one is coming for your car or your home, it's just a way to give more power to the collective and prevent accumulation of wealth.

+1848

Communism was never about controlling the means of production actually

WOW. CALL FOX NEWS, YOU GOTA A SCOOP

I know. You commies want me in death camp

Nah, I wanna make U a big virilistic Hug.. I think you need that my dear snowflake

democrat socialists finds a way to allways take something away from you.

Poor thing

democratic regime in places like Russia and China?

Two far right dictatorships...

This ecological hysteria is all over the palce

wait.. let him cook...

Climate changed since earth come into existance. The real climate change will begina when gates covers the sun. That will trully be man made

Oh !? Climate change denier ? *noting noting noting*

But they allowed people to own small farms and live on your own.

Lucky fellow ,_,

2-Yes,for the most part leftism is basically calling for a big brother government to watch over you.

You believe that ??

You said Russia was not a left regime,which is obviously a lie

It's literally a far right dictatorship...

 

[Zolo]

Nah just in France



The police is one of the last barrier of the power. So our goal is to break this barrier or to bring them back with us. Problem here, the barrier is the problem and is far right.. that why riots are happening, we must put pressure on the power to make them take a side.

The power in France (Macron) is centrist. Meaning that it is a rightist power (you can see because of all the liberal reform) that want to be seen as progressive (you can also see that because of their communication). The thing is... this is a contradiction.

You can't become the "right" and be progressive. Simply because the right is fondamentaly conservative.

That's why you can see here a minister stutter when it comes to denounce the 1 M gofundme donation to the murderer of Nahel. This minister is from the left so he KNOWS that he HAS to denounce this donation. The problem is that denouncing that donation would confess to all syndicate of policemen that supported the guy that there is a systemic problem in the problem and that the far right, the right and the syndicate are WRONG. But the police is the ONLY line of defense against the power. Confessing a systemic problem would mean shatter the entire spine of the gouvernment that during 10+ years did everything to support the police, rally the right and dediabolized the far right.

Basically, confessing a systemic problem in the police would be like saying: "we are hypocrite" and blaming everything on the police. Which would turn the police, the conservative right and the far right AGAINST the government for good. Macron, rennaissance and the right would be shattered for years !

That's why this guy has no choice but to stutter.

That's why being a "centrist" is always a trap.



It should not yes, but sometimes its the only choice.

Because you forgot to say three words here:


Riots are the LAST expression of anger and frustration BEFORE WAR.



I'm right and I feel that you guys are starting to see it.



I think you don't understand who is rioting right now..



No, the riot could end tonight. The governement just has to make the right choices.



The rioter won't affect me. At worst they will burn the shop where I take my food.. I will have to walk for another one, big deal. And if there isn't one left, well, too bad, I'll drink water and I have a lot of pasta. I can ration myself for some weeks I'm sure.

yup


We can handle immigration just fine don't worry about it. You are just scared of little fires.


While pushing the governement to move. We fight the stereotypes once the governements moves, AFTER a riot. It's a lot easier.



To prepare you for my come back hehe



Not for the governement sure the hell not.



lol



Where do crime comes from ?


You are the liberal here bro lol


No its racists and Police.




Let me guess, You would punch him with your big hetero muscles?



How many sociology book did you read in your life ?



Do you consider fat and weak people low class citizens ? (just trying to seewhere you fit on the sociologic and political scale)



Do you consider lumberjacks as a good representation of masculinity ? (Still trying to situate you on the socio political scale, don't mind me)


You seem to know your stuff about nazi man.... ...
....
.....
.....
Just sayin (still making my scale toup toudoup toudoup... toudoup... )


lol



Are emotions a problem for you ? Is it hard for you to share your emotions with your buddies ?



No its not. And I follow dozens of those history scientist bro. They are all agreeing that their is a consensus in the scientific community: Fascism/Nazism is a far right ideology. :)



Well I studied Nazism..



No, we call far right "far right". Generally I call centrist "confusionnists" or "rightists".

Strange, on my twitter they have a boulevard on twitter since december.. really strange. I musk live on mars.



Read or take a look at sociology and Umberto Eco my dear bro


Three thing:

- He used the word socialism to appeal to the crowds he was never a leftist, musolini was, but turn far right and thus creating fascism. Ideology taken by the mustach mustard.
- We don't want conservative to look bad, they look bad because they usually do bad things.
- The world is ruled by capitalists and liberals, not leftists.


Still no. Full fascist mate



That precisely the problem

--

Sorry I'm watching a stream I'm taking my time lol

You have really no idea of the consequence of what you are describing do ya ?



Oh.. Do I have to add conspiracy theorist to your political resume that I'm creating in my head?



Invert that sentence and you will have reality sir



Not like t

+666


Every rightist here bugged out yersteday when I ask those two question:

- Is Russia leftist now ?
- What was the political spectrum of ISIS ?

This is hyper challenging for them because their contradictions causes a 404 error not found. hehe



Nolol



,_,



Deleuze en PLS..


,_,



Sigh.. No.



I would love some sources on that



Why Wake up when we can fight to create paradise ?



Do you think biology is a real science and history is not ? Do you think that human are wired to rule over each others ? Do you think that man are biologically superior to women ? (still trying to situate you on my imaginary scale bro tkt)



Totalitarism is more of a far right thing to do .. just sayin..


+1848


WOW. CALL FOX NEWS, YOU GOTA A SCOOP


Nah, I wanna make U a big virilistic Hug.. I think you need that my dear snowflake




Poor thing



Two far right dictatorships...



wait.. let him cook...




Oh !? Climate change denier ? *noting noting noting*



Lucky fellow ,_,

You believe that ??



It's literally a far right dictatorship...

Righ wingers are for less government so they need dictator to get that ?lmao.

 

[NAMELESS]

Nah just in France



The police is one of the last barrier of the power. So our goal is to break this barrier or to bring them back with us. Problem here, the barrier is the problem and is far right.. that why riots are happening, we must put pressure on the power to make them take a side.

The power in France (Macron) is centrist. Meaning that it is a rightist power (you can see because of all the liberal reform) that want to be seen as progressive (you can also see that because of their communication). The thing is... this is a contradiction.

You can't become the "right" and be progressive. Simply because the right is fondamentaly conservative.

That's why you can see here a minister stutter when it comes to denounce the 1 M gofundme donation to the murderer of Nahel. This minister is from the left so he KNOWS that he HAS to denounce this donation. The problem is that denouncing that donation would confess to all syndicate of policemen that supported the guy that there is a systemic problem in the problem and that the far right, the right and the syndicate are WRONG. But the police is the ONLY line of defense against the power. Confessing a systemic problem would mean shatter the entire spine of the gouvernment that during 10+ years did everything to support the police, rally the right and dediabolized the far right.

Basically, confessing a systemic problem in the police would be like saying: "we are hypocrite" and blaming everything on the police. Which would turn the police, the conservative right and the far right AGAINST the government for good. Macron, rennaissance and the right would be shattered for years !

That's why this guy has no choice but to stutter.

That's why being a "centrist" is always a trap.



It should not yes, but sometimes its the only choice.

Because you forgot to say three words here:


Riots are the LAST expression of anger and frustration BEFORE WAR.



I'm right and I feel that you guys are starting to see it.



I think you don't understand who is rioting right now..



No, the riot could end tonight. The governement just has to make the right choices.



The rioter won't affect me. At worst they will burn the shop where I take my food.. I will have to walk for another one, big deal. And if there isn't one left, well, too bad, I'll drink water and I have a lot of pasta. I can ration myself for some weeks I'm sure.

yup


We can handle immigration just fine don't worry about it. You are just scared of little fires.


While pushing the governement to move. We fight the stereotypes once the governements moves, AFTER a riot. It's a lot easier.



To prepare you for my come back hehe



Not for the governement sure the hell not.



lol



Where do crime comes from ?


You are the liberal here bro lol


No its racists and Police.




Let me guess, You would punch him with your big hetero muscles?



How many sociology book did you read in your life ?



Do you consider fat and weak people low class citizens ? (just trying to seewhere you fit on the sociologic and political scale)



Do you consider lumberjacks as a good representation of masculinity ? (Still trying to situate you on the socio political scale, don't mind me)


You seem to know your stuff about nazi man.... ...
....
.....
.....
Just sayin (still making my scale toup toudoup toudoup... toudoup... )


lol



Are emotions a problem for you ? Is it hard for you to share your emotions with your buddies ?



No its not. And I follow dozens of those history scientist bro. They are all agreeing that their is a consensus in the scientific community: Fascism/Nazism is a far right ideology. :)



Well I studied Nazism..



No, we call far right "far right". Generally I call centrist "confusionnists" or "rightists".

Strange, on my twitter they have a boulevard on twitter since december.. really strange. I musk live on mars.



Read or take a look at sociology and Umberto Eco my dear bro


Three thing:

- He used the word socialism to appeal to the crowds he was never a leftist, musolini was, but turn far right and thus creating fascism. Ideology taken by the mustach mustard.
- We don't want conservative to look bad, they look bad because they usually do bad things.
- The world is ruled by capitalists and liberals, not leftists.


Still no. Full fascist mate



That precisely the problem

--

Sorry I'm watching a stream I'm taking my time lol

You have really no idea of the consequence of what you are describing do ya ?



Oh.. Do I have to add conspiracy theorist to your political resume that I'm creating in my head?



Invert that sentence and you will have reality sir



Not like t

+666


Every rightist here bugged out yersteday when I ask those two question:

- Is Russia leftist now ?
- What was the political spectrum of ISIS ?

This is hyper challenging for them because their contradictions causes a 404 error not found. hehe



Nolol



,_,



Deleuze en PLS..


,_,



Sigh.. No.



I would love some sources on that



Why Wake up when we can fight to create paradise ?



Do you think biology is a real science and history is not ? Do you think that human are wired to rule over each others ? Do you think that man are biologically superior to women ? (still trying to situate you on my imaginary scale bro tkt)



Totalitarism is more of a far right thing to do .. just sayin..


+1848


WOW. CALL FOX NEWS, YOU GOTA A SCOOP


Nah, I wanna make U a big virilistic Hug.. I think you need that my dear snowflake




Poor thing



Two far right dictatorships...



wait.. let him cook...




Oh !? Climate change denier ? *noting noting noting*



Lucky fellow ,_,

You believe that ??



It's literally a far right dictatorship...

i have you on ignore,i don't debate morons.

 

[Logiko]

i have you on ignore,i don't debate morons.

Yes, go away

Righ wingers are for less government so they need dictator to get that ?lmao.

Your sentence doesn't make sence mate.

 

[Zolo]

Yes, go away



Your sentence doesn't make sence mate.

Dolphins follow me

 

[NAMELESS]

Yes, go away



Your sentence doesn't make sence mate.

I wont.I'm just ignoring your dumb takes.

 

[Logiko]

Dolphins follow me

Those ones ?

I wont.I'm just ignoring your dumb takes.

Why are you replying to me? Go away Trumpist.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Dolphins follow me

Is Dolphins a code word for something btw?