Future Events On Zoro vs Shiryu
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Lmfao I'm not just not being delusional for agenda. A lot of people called Shiryu stabbing Garp well before it happened, including me, it's the only thing that made sense for the event to end fast, and was completely in character for the BB pirates to be attacking Garp. Top tiers don't go down quickly, old or not.
There has not been a single top tier fight decided without intervention in this manga aside from Akainu vs Aokiji which was offpanel. Shiryu stabbing Garp is not the least bit surprising. Shiryu not stabbing Garp and wounding him critically would be far more surprising.
That doesn't magically make Shiryu an equal factor to Kuzan who has to keep Garp busy and eventually put him down. Shiryu is incapable of both those things on his own.
There has not been a single top tier fight decided without intervention in this manga aside from Akainu vs Aokiji which was offpanel. Shiryu stabbing Garp is not the least bit surprising. Shiryu not stabbing Garp and wounding him critically would be far more surprising.
That doesn't magically make Shiryu an equal factor to Kuzan who has to keep Garp busy and eventually put him down. Shiryu is incapable of both those things on his own.
King did what to be >= pre CoC Zoro? NothingSame way Shiryu >= Current Zoro
He's zoros next fight, he'd need literally a PU to win
If you need PU to win then you're weaker!
KoH doesn't mean Zoro has everything to beat people on the same level/stronger than him
AP isn't everything to fights!
Mr. 1 wasn't stronger than Zoro, yet Zoro needed a Powerup to win.
Braham/Ohm weren't stronger than Zoro, yet Zoro needed a Powerup to win.
Everything isn't black and white, Shiryu can pose a problem to Zoro without necessarily being stronger than him.
As it stands, Zoro is better than Shiryu in every stat which is relevant (Attack Power, 3 forms of Haki, Endurance, Swordsmanship, base stats, Range).
It's purely a game of Hide & Seek.
threads like this wouldn't exist if Oda just gave him the diamond fruit instead of that stupid invisibility fruitAnyway, I'm still hopeful for Shiryu. That nameless stab did lead to the end of Garp's career. Also, King didn't look too amazing at first, he only started looking good immediately before his fight with Zoro
Even if he didn't have the diamond fruit, I still think he should have had a really strong fruit to boost his offense.
Let's look at the other 2 top 3 BBPs. Teach has the strongest offensive power with the Gura, and the most evil DF. Kuzan's freezing is a very strong hax ability, and it also gives him lots of offensive options.
In comparison, invisibility is much lacking. I do like the idea of Shiryu reusing a df that a much weaker character had and showing what it really can do, but invisibility seems like a poor choice for the time being.
Let's look at the other 2 top 3 BBPs. Teach has the strongest offensive power with the Gura, and the most evil DF. Kuzan's freezing is a very strong hax ability, and it also gives him lots of offensive options.
In comparison, invisibility is much lacking. I do like the idea of Shiryu reusing a df that a much weaker character had and showing what it really can do, but invisibility seems like a poor choice for the time being.
I think this is one of the cases where Oda wrote himself in a corner
Like Shiryu got his fruit a month ago at best, even if there's more to the clear clear fruit, so far nothing is suggesting it, and if there is how can he master it in such a short time, and a strong haki user should be able to detect him too unless Oda again attaches more powers to it
With what he has shown so far for him to be a threat to Zoro Oda should give him some killer intemt CoA or whatever (him stabbinf the iron Garp? Being Magellan tier pre timeskip without a df, now 2 years passed he probably got better even without a df)
Considering he recently got his df, Oda may or may not give him awakening so there's a 50/50 to give the benefit of the doubt
Even if Shiryu cheats how is he going to make such a difference without some Buggy luck
Maybe there will be more small time jumps in between to reach another whole year in story or idk
Not much to suggest how he fights without his df but from what he has shown a physically enhancing paramecia or logia should have been handed to him, or a mythical zoan
Like Burgess buff buff fruit fits him
I don't see how clear clear fruit is going to help Shiryu without additional abilities attached to it but I don't want to get speculative on that, I believe it when I see it
Like Shiryu got his fruit a month ago at best, even if there's more to the clear clear fruit, so far nothing is suggesting it, and if there is how can he master it in such a short time, and a strong haki user should be able to detect him too unless Oda again attaches more powers to it
With what he has shown so far for him to be a threat to Zoro Oda should give him some killer intemt CoA or whatever (him stabbinf the iron Garp? Being Magellan tier pre timeskip without a df, now 2 years passed he probably got better even without a df)
Considering he recently got his df, Oda may or may not give him awakening so there's a 50/50 to give the benefit of the doubt
Even if Shiryu cheats how is he going to make such a difference without some Buggy luck
Maybe there will be more small time jumps in between to reach another whole year in story or idk
Not much to suggest how he fights without his df but from what he has shown a physically enhancing paramecia or logia should have been handed to him, or a mythical zoan
Like Burgess buff buff fruit fits him
I don't see how clear clear fruit is going to help Shiryu without additional abilities attached to it but I don't want to get speculative on that, I believe it when I see it
On the other hand, invisibility allows Shiryu to still retain his core fighting style. He will still deal damage as a swordsman, not as some element user. I don't like the idea of his blade eating a df, aside from diamond as that would just be the equivalent of an upgraded meito. Ignoring power levels, that's a major plus.
I don't want to see Shiryu spitting fireballs out of his blade, or turn into a circus animal.
I don't want to see Shiryu spitting fireballs out of his blade, or turn into a circus animal.
Aesthetically speaking, I hated Kaku turning into a giraffe.
Shiryu has always been a sneaky character, if he's awakened he can be broken while still retaining his aesthetic. Giving him a zoan would just turn the battle into something else entirely. He would probably start using his body as a weapon moreso than his blade, and you can miss me with that.
His blade being a zoan is even worse.
Shiryu has always been a sneaky character, if he's awakened he can be broken while still retaining his aesthetic. Giving him a zoan would just turn the battle into something else entirely. He would probably start using his body as a weapon moreso than his blade, and you can miss me with that.
His blade being a zoan is even worse.