Future Events On Zoro vs Shiryu
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Last arc we had the "Zoo Pirates" hence we had Zoans all over. Damage Dealing was the major problem faced by our MCs vs these types and better Attack Power worked in most cases (except for Franky v. Sasaki & Zoro v. King).
This arc we have "DF Pirates".
Expect nothing more than gimmicky fights all over with specific/niche DF abilities with counters.
This arc we have "DF Pirates".
Expect nothing more than gimmicky fights all over with specific/niche DF abilities with counters.
People have been crying for Zoro to face a swordsman similar to him Shiryu is that guy. Remember what croco boy said about df in the hands of the right person vs fodder he will make much better use of the clear clear df than absalom. Of course it's going to have plenty new additional broken abilities that is almost guaranteed
King could be seen as a gimmicky fight too then.
Any other manga, and people would respect Shiryu for being hax, but in the One Piece fanbase it's considered cheating. Zoro is too strong for a half baked gimmick to be working on him, Shiryu has to bring something special and also have solid fundamentals.
Any other manga, and people would respect Shiryu for being hax, but in the One Piece fanbase it's considered cheating. Zoro is too strong for a half baked gimmick to be working on him, Shiryu has to bring something special and also have solid fundamentals.
His CoA was strong enough to penetrate "Iron Garp", you know who else has skin like iron? Yeah, Big Mom. In addition, Big Mom is out of shape and kinda dumb, I believe Shiryu will be able to land multiple attacks and critically injure her
Cant wait for Shiryu vs Big Mom threads in the future to make @JoNdule lose his shit lol
Cant wait for Shiryu vs Big Mom threads in the future to make @JoNdule lose his shit lol
Oda loves keeping the power level of future enemies hidden or low, before they get their first official fight.
What you're saying about Shiryu, is exactly the same thing that was said about King. We all know how that turned out amirite.
Shiryu will show out when it's time for him to do so. He's not called Shiryu of the hidden rain village for no reason
What you're saying about Shiryu, is exactly the same thing that was said about King. We all know how that turned out amirite.
Shiryu will show out when it's time for him to do so. He's not called Shiryu of the hidden rain village for no reason
Yea, he's the same type as well. On/Off invulnerability aside from the Zoan perks.
Roof Zoro can already beat King, he didn't need KoH for that.
Make no mistake, Shiryu is still strong and hax.
He's just not stronger than Zoro imo, and as i said to you before - he poses a problem by having a specific "niche" ability which requires (better) CoO to sense. I highly doubt even Shiryu can sense his own "Invisible" self with CoO in a hypothetical Shiryu v. Shiryu matchup.
Roof Zoro can already beat King, he didn't need KoH for that.
Make no mistake, Shiryu is still strong and hax.
He's just not stronger than Zoro imo, and as i said to you before - he poses a problem by having a specific "niche" ability which requires (better) CoO to sense. I highly doubt even Shiryu can sense his own "Invisible" self with CoO in a hypothetical Shiryu v. Shiryu matchup.
Zoro won’t get his honorable swordsman 1 vs 1 before facing Mihawk, most of his opponents til then will be glorified training tools so he can become a complete top tier.
just like King’s durability gimmick made Zoro awaken COC, increasing his AP, Shiryu’s invisibility gimmick and sneaky fighting style will take Zoro’s COO to the next level.
just like King’s durability gimmick made Zoro awaken COC, increasing his AP, Shiryu’s invisibility gimmick and sneaky fighting style will take Zoro’s COO to the next level.
I cant stress enough how useless CoO is against Shiryu, lol.
FS doesnt work so useless. Basic CoO is what is needed so that is already covered.
If he can clear even his presence, Zoro is already covered in that case as well thanks to BOAT.
Funny how yall think Zoro isnt complete top tier due to "bad" CoO while the man has one of the best Observations in the world, lol.
FS doesnt work so useless. Basic CoO is what is needed so that is already covered.
If he can clear even his presence, Zoro is already covered in that case as well thanks to BOAT.
Funny how yall think Zoro isnt complete top tier due to "bad" CoO while the man has one of the best Observations in the world, lol.
Momo asked her not to fight, Oda was also thus trying to save her portrayal.
And we know GB can't low diff her because Kaido couldn't, and Kaido > Greenbull.
If Zoro faces Shiryuu, he is getting packed up or it's a massive L for Zoro. Unless you think Zoro is also low diff material for admirals.
Man, if you think Zoro is also getting low diff'd by an admiral......I think it's probably not gonna age well. We'll see if Oda does something this arc with Zoro and Kizaru.
Speaking of top tiers, Luffy is a solid top tier right now. If he gonna low diff Zoro/Yamato/Shiryuu as well?
Yeah no, I see no world where Oda is ever gonna write Luffy outright low diff Zoro, just not gonna happen.
Yeah, it's very much possible that Garp has an unknown/advanced type of observation haki that Zoro doesn't
But for now, Zoro isn't looking bad in observation haki at all.
He demonstrated the sleep diff observation haki whitebeard showed, has observation haki feats/statements where he mentioned that not being able to see isn't a problem for him, etc. All he lacks is future sight here, he's quite solid otherwise.
On some level, it's really just plot. Why didn't Ace push Luffy out of the way instead of getting in front of Akainu's attack?
I will admit though that Shiryuu's armament haki/attack power was hyped there.
Because Oda made fodders especially note that "Iron" Garp was stabbed, that was clearly put there to notify to viewers that it isn't a small feat to stab through Garp's body.
But ultimately, that's just what Shiryuu has.
He has high attack power, but dude looks like a glass canon. Dude got smacked just once and he's bleeding and huffing.
Let's ignore hypotheticals for now. Maybe Shiryuu will awaken his DF or something and be broken in the future? IDK.
My point anyway is that, from what was shown on screen, Garp is packing up Shiryuu real quick. Garp proved on screen that he can detect Shiryuu's movements even through invisibility. This effectively makes it just Garp vs base Shiryuu.
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Greenbull dealt with Scabbards easier than Kaido did
And we know GB can't low diff her because Kaido couldn't, and Kaido > Greenbull.
If Zoro faces Shiryuu, he is getting packed up or it's a massive L for Zoro. Unless you think Zoro is also low diff material for admirals.
Man, if you think Zoro is also getting low diff'd by an admiral......I think it's probably not gonna age well. We'll see if Oda does something this arc with Zoro and Kizaru.
Speaking of top tiers, Luffy is a solid top tier right now. If he gonna low diff Zoro/Yamato/Shiryuu as well?
Yeah no, I see no world where Oda is ever gonna write Luffy outright low diff Zoro, just not gonna happen.
Yeah, it's very much possible that Garp has an unknown/advanced type of observation haki that Zoro doesn't
But for now, Zoro isn't looking bad in observation haki at all.
He demonstrated the sleep diff observation haki whitebeard showed, has observation haki feats/statements where he mentioned that not being able to see isn't a problem for him, etc. All he lacks is future sight here, he's quite solid otherwise.
On some level, it's really just plot. Why didn't Ace push Luffy out of the way instead of getting in front of Akainu's attack?
I will admit though that Shiryuu's armament haki/attack power was hyped there.
Because Oda made fodders especially note that "Iron" Garp was stabbed, that was clearly put there to notify to viewers that it isn't a small feat to stab through Garp's body.
But ultimately, that's just what Shiryuu has.
He has high attack power, but dude looks like a glass canon. Dude got smacked just once and he's bleeding and huffing.
Let's ignore hypotheticals for now. Maybe Shiryuu will awaken his DF or something and be broken in the future? IDK.
My point anyway is that, from what was shown on screen, Garp is packing up Shiryuu real quick. Garp proved on screen that he can detect Shiryuu's movements even through invisibility. This effectively makes it just Garp vs base Shiryuu.
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Greenbull dealt with Scabbards easier than Kaido did
Yeah Morgans can hurt BMPre ts Luffy can hurt BM
Since they could hurt and make Garp bleed easily
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Zoro awoke CoC because of Enma, to tame it and not because of King!
While he would get CoO upgrade because of Shiryu
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Look at Kuzan's state after Garp's one attack.
Far worse than Shiryu. Neither of them are glass cannons.
Look at Zoro's state after Apoo's slash. You know what he endured afterwards and he was huffing even before Apoo...
The issue is, it was Garp who was showing all he has got because this is it for him.
Shiryu didnt show anything yet.
That's why it is wise to not underestimate him until he too shows all he has got.
Is Garp packing Dragon too because he hasnt shown anything? It simply doesnt work that way...
Anyone with a basic CoO can detect Shiryu.
Invisibility is nothing special and can be found on Germas and Queen as well...
Base Shiryu is plenty strong considering his equal made 3 Warlord-level characters run away from him.
According to that fact alone, pre-TS Shiryu is a top tier.
Far worse than Shiryu. Neither of them are glass cannons.
Look at Zoro's state after Apoo's slash. You know what he endured afterwards and he was huffing even before Apoo...
The issue is, it was Garp who was showing all he has got because this is it for him.
Shiryu didnt show anything yet.
That's why it is wise to not underestimate him until he too shows all he has got.
Is Garp packing Dragon too because he hasnt shown anything? It simply doesnt work that way...
Anyone with a basic CoO can detect Shiryu.
Invisibility is nothing special and can be found on Germas and Queen as well...
Base Shiryu is plenty strong considering his equal made 3 Warlord-level characters run away from him.
According to that fact alone, pre-TS Shiryu is a top tier.
Sure, but Oda keep making Aokiji the main threat to Garp that keeps coming back.
Shiryuu got hit once, and then disappeared for the rest of the fight
Right about Apoo, but Zoro got postive feats after that anti feat. Shiryuu got none.
You could argue that, but then why didn't Oda even bother to give Shiryuu a positive portrayal then.
Aokiji got anti feats too, but then got stuff that showed him in a positive light.
Unlike Shiryuu, dragon didn't take an L yet.
I think King or Marco could've done the same as well, similar to what Magellan did.
Shiryuu on paper should be quite strong, because he was Magellan's equal in base.
But nothing on screen so far, he needs to redeem himself cause dude has nothing hyping him up other than leeching portrayal from Magellan.
Shiryuu got hit once, and then disappeared for the rest of the fight
Right about Apoo, but Zoro got postive feats after that anti feat. Shiryuu got none.
You could argue that, but then why didn't Oda even bother to give Shiryuu a positive portrayal then.
Aokiji got anti feats too, but then got stuff that showed him in a positive light.
Unlike Shiryuu, dragon didn't take an L yet.
I think King or Marco could've done the same as well, similar to what Magellan did.
Shiryuu on paper should be quite strong, because he was Magellan's equal in base.
But nothing on screen so far, he needs to redeem himself cause dude has nothing hyping him up other than leeching portrayal from Magellan.
All the problems you have with Shiryu will be solved when he fights Zoro, a character far stronger than Garp.
Until then, he will get nothing, just like King didnt get anything positive until he faced Zoro.
Doesnt mean he would get packed by Garp just because the narrative focus was on Garp's student instead...
Garp and Shiryu delivered one hit to each other, one is critically wounded and weakened, the other is nearly clean. That's an L for Garp.
Until then, he will get nothing, just like King didnt get anything positive until he faced Zoro.
Doesnt mean he would get packed by Garp just because the narrative focus was on Garp's student instead...
Garp and Shiryu delivered one hit to each other, one is critically wounded and weakened, the other is nearly clean. That's an L for Garp.