Current Events Alright let me get this straight when it comes to Luffy, Zoro, Kizaru, and Saturn
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Yeah that would make sense. Some of them must be stronger than the others, on a higher tier within their ranks. Like how Yonko commanders vary in strength too.
Oda definitely introduced that black horse guy for a reason too. These new guys appearing when Akainu talked about firing back on all fronts recently and that military draft over the TS can't be coincidence.
Hell the Marines have 2 new Admirals out of nowhere and 2 more Admiral tier candidates in 2 years. Absolutely insane gains.
Plus Koby has shown amazing growth too ofc and maybe Helmeppo will too eventually lol.
Some of those new VAs look slick and badass. I hope they'll be dark horses funnily enough. Absolute beasts. Garp and 2 fan made Vice Admirals made canon are hard carrying vice Admirals lol.
Onigumo seems like one of the best ones too though. I'd like Momonga, Strawberry, Stainless to be some of the strongest but Momonga and especially Stainless not looming so good lately.
Oda definitely introduced that black horse guy for a reason too. These new guys appearing when Akainu talked about firing back on all fronts recently and that military draft over the TS can't be coincidence.
Hell the Marines have 2 new Admirals out of nowhere and 2 more Admiral tier candidates in 2 years. Absolutely insane gains.
Plus Koby has shown amazing growth too ofc and maybe Helmeppo will too eventually lol.
Some of those new VAs look slick and badass. I hope they'll be dark horses funnily enough. Absolute beasts. Garp and 2 fan made Vice Admirals made canon are hard carrying vice Admirals lol.
Onigumo seems like one of the best ones too though. I'd like Momonga, Strawberry, Stainless to be some of the strongest but Momonga and especially Stainless not looming so good lately.
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After the way that admirals have negged commanders time and time again, you still have people who believe zoro and sanji will take down them in egghead, not only that, but also before luffy
Saturn doesn´t want to make his presence known on top of 1 admiral + 9 VA being the good old structure of luffy eating the full meal while his underlings eat the scrubs.
1089 chapters and still hard to accept?
That pink girl who appeared on garp´s meal was an admiral candidate and isn´t even there lol.
Zoro and sanji will fight VAs who are most likely EQUALS/superior to commanders and potential/failed admiral candidates.
Admirals NEG commanders, zoro isn´t ready to fight against them also LUFFY ALWAYS EATS THE FULL MEAL FIRST, none of SHs will ever beat an admiral prior to him.
Saturn is there to flex on luffy and show that gorosei are above yonkos.
Shanks and teach are most likely pirate king lvl already hence why they are the exception
Because he almost died to beat someone that gets DESTROYED by admirals lvl characters, let alone yonkos.
Saturn doesn´t want to make his presence known on top of 1 admiral + 9 VA being the good old structure of luffy eating the full meal while his underlings eat the scrubs.
1089 chapters and still hard to accept?
That pink girl who appeared on garp´s meal was an admiral candidate and isn´t even there lol.
Zoro and sanji will fight VAs who are most likely EQUALS/superior to commanders and potential/failed admiral candidates.
Admirals NEG commanders, zoro isn´t ready to fight against them also LUFFY ALWAYS EATS THE FULL MEAL FIRST, none of SHs will ever beat an admiral prior to him.
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Saturn is there to flex on luffy and show that gorosei are above yonkos.
Shanks and teach are most likely pirate king lvl already hence why they are the exception
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Because he almost died to beat someone that gets DESTROYED by admirals lvl characters, let alone yonkos.
After the way that admirals have negged commanders time and time again, you still have people who believe zoro and sanji will take down them in egghead, not only that, but also before luffy
Saturn doesn´t want to make his presence known on top of 1 admiral + 9 VA being the good old structure of luffy eating the full meal while his underlings eat the scrubs.
1089 chapters and still hard to accept?
That pink girl who appeared on garp´s meal was an admiral candidate and isn´t even there lol.
Zoro and sanji will fight VAs who are most likely EQUALS/superior to commanders and potential/failed admiral candidates.
Admirals NEG commanders, zoro isn´t ready to fight against them also LUFFY ALWAYS EATS THE FULL MEAL FIRST, none of SHs will ever beat an admiral prior to him.
Saturn is there to flex on luffy and show that gorosei are above yonkos.
Shanks and teach are most likely pirate king lvl already hence why they are the exception
Because he almost died to beat someone that gets DESTROYED by admirals lvl characters, let alone yonkos.
Saturn doesn´t want to make his presence known on top of 1 admiral + 9 VA being the good old structure of luffy eating the full meal while his underlings eat the scrubs.
1089 chapters and still hard to accept?
That pink girl who appeared on garp´s meal was an admiral candidate and isn´t even there lol.
Zoro and sanji will fight VAs who are most likely EQUALS/superior to commanders and potential/failed admiral candidates.
Admirals NEG commanders, zoro isn´t ready to fight against them also LUFFY ALWAYS EATS THE FULL MEAL FIRST, none of SHs will ever beat an admiral prior to him.
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Saturn is there to flex on luffy and show that gorosei are above yonkos.
Shanks and teach are most likely pirate king lvl already hence why they are the exception
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Because he almost died to beat someone that gets DESTROYED by admirals lvl characters, let alone yonkos.
After the way that admirals have negged commanders time and time again, you still have people who believe zoro and sanji will take down them in egghead, not only that, but also before luffy
Saturn doesn´t want to make his presence known on top of 1 admiral + 9 VA being the good old structure of luffy eating the full meal while his underlings eat the scrubs.
1089 chapters and still hard to accept?
That pink girl who appeared on garp´s meal was an admiral candidate and isn´t even there lol.
Zoro and sanji will fight VAs who are most likely EQUALS/superior to commanders and potential/failed admiral candidates.
Admirals NEG commanders, zoro isn´t ready to fight against them also LUFFY ALWAYS EATS THE FULL MEAL FIRST, none of SHs will ever beat an admiral prior to him.
Saturn is there to flex on luffy and show that gorosei are above yonkos.
Shanks and teach are most likely pirate king lvl already hence why they are the exception
Saturn doesn´t want to make his presence known on top of 1 admiral + 9 VA being the good old structure of luffy eating the full meal while his underlings eat the scrubs.
1089 chapters and still hard to accept?
That pink girl who appeared on garp´s meal was an admiral candidate and isn´t even there lol.
Zoro and sanji will fight VAs who are most likely EQUALS/superior to commanders and potential/failed admiral candidates.
Admirals NEG commanders, zoro isn´t ready to fight against them also LUFFY ALWAYS EATS THE FULL MEAL FIRST, none of SHs will ever beat an admiral prior to him.
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Saturn is there to flex on luffy and show that gorosei are above yonkos.
Shanks and teach are most likely pirate king lvl already hence why they are the exception
If much if the crew takes on VAs here, it only makes sense that they upgrade to Zodiac VAs next time while Zoro and Sanji take on Admirals under Akainu at that point.
Like let Luffy have his Admiral moment finally first. This is like the Kata situation with Sanji, he was in no way going to fight a top YC before Luffy, then he did at Wano with Zoro
After the way that admirals have negged commanders time and time again, you still have people who believe zoro and sanji will take down them in egghead, not only that, but also before luffy
Saturn doesn´t want to make his presence known on top of 1 admiral + 9 VA being the good old structure of luffy eating the full meal while his underlings eat the scrubs.
1089 chapters and still hard to accept?
That pink girl who appeared on garp´s meal was an admiral candidate and isn´t even there lol.
Zoro and sanji will fight VAs who are most likely EQUALS/superior to commanders and potential/failed admiral candidates.
Admirals NEG commanders, zoro isn´t ready to fight against them also LUFFY ALWAYS EATS THE FULL MEAL FIRST, none of SHs will ever beat an admiral prior to him.
Saturn is there to flex on luffy and show that gorosei are above yonkos.
Shanks and teach are most likely pirate king lvl already hence why they are the exception
Because he almost died to beat someone that gets DESTROYED by admirals lvl characters, let alone yonkos.
Saturn doesn´t want to make his presence known on top of 1 admiral + 9 VA being the good old structure of luffy eating the full meal while his underlings eat the scrubs.
1089 chapters and still hard to accept?
That pink girl who appeared on garp´s meal was an admiral candidate and isn´t even there lol.
Zoro and sanji will fight VAs who are most likely EQUALS/superior to commanders and potential/failed admiral candidates.
Admirals NEG commanders, zoro isn´t ready to fight against them also LUFFY ALWAYS EATS THE FULL MEAL FIRST, none of SHs will ever beat an admiral prior to him.
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Saturn is there to flex on luffy and show that gorosei are above yonkos.
Shanks and teach are most likely pirate king lvl already hence why they are the exception
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Because he almost died to beat someone that gets DESTROYED by admirals lvl characters, let alone yonkos.
GB beating King and Queen who was still injured and recovering in the unknown battle doesn't mean anything except it's easier to beat a character who weaker than at 100%. Zoro could beat those two as well in those conditions.
It's true Saturn doesn't want to be exposed. So ask yourself, do you think it's going to go the way he wants it to go or direct opposite. Remember, they are dealing with the straw hats.
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Zoro couldn´t do anything other than a superficial wound against a yonko on top of almost dying to win against someone who gets DESTROYED by admirals.
Admirals have been portrayed time and time again to be absolutely SUPERIOR to commanders ever since marineford, there is nothing wrong with VAs being equal to commanders, especially the admiral candidates.
Also, zoro NEVER fights someone stronger than luffy´s.
Literally NEVER happened, why would it happens now? especially since egghead is POST time skip thriller bark and saturn is obviously this arc´s kuma who will appear to neg SHs and showcase gorosei powerlevel at the end.
King and queen are ancient zoans who had a whole week to recover from their fights, they got negged because admirals are THAT superior to commanders.
Hybrid kaido sent zoro and law back to the castle with ONE thunder bagua, that´s a neg in my book.
Admirals have been portrayed time and time again to be absolutely SUPERIOR to commanders ever since marineford, there is nothing wrong with VAs being equal to commanders, especially the admiral candidates.
Also, zoro NEVER fights someone stronger than luffy´s.
Literally NEVER happened, why would it happens now? especially since egghead is POST time skip thriller bark and saturn is obviously this arc´s kuma who will appear to neg SHs and showcase gorosei powerlevel at the end.
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Hybrid Kaido couldn't neg a weaker Zoro who had 20 and 30 broken bones during their 1v1 battle. But I'm supposed to believe that a character who a lot say is weaker is supposed to be able to do the same to a stronger Zoro.
GB beating King and Queen who was still injured and recovering in the unknown battle doesn't mean anything except it's easier to beat a character who weaker than at 100%. Zoro could beat those two as well in those conditions.
It's true Saturn doesn't want to be exposed. So ask yourself, do you think it's going to go the way he wants it to go or direct opposite. Remember, they are dealing with the straw hats.
GB beating King and Queen who was still injured and recovering in the unknown battle doesn't mean anything except it's easier to beat a character who weaker than at 100%. Zoro could beat those two as well in those conditions.
It's true Saturn doesn't want to be exposed. So ask yourself, do you think it's going to go the way he wants it to go or direct opposite. Remember, they are dealing with the straw hats.
Hybrid kaido sent zoro and law back to the castle with ONE thunder bagua, that´s a neg in my book.
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Oda works with a simple combat structure, it´s the same ever since 1997 and they still refuse to accept lol.
We are still on YONKO saga, admirals ain´t going down now.
Akainu and the rest of admirals will come right before WG final fights.
IF admirals are THAT far above commanders, don´t take a genius to know that vice admirals and admiral candidates are equal/slightly superior to them.
Also, he scarred a kaido that was ACTIVELY tanking everything.
We are still on YONKO saga, admirals ain´t going down now.
Akainu and the rest of admirals will come right before WG final fights.
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IF admirals are THAT far above commanders, don´t take a genius to know that vice admirals and admiral candidates are equal/slightly superior to them.
Also, he scarred a kaido that was ACTIVELY tanking everything.
VA's aren't shit.
Just because you saw Bastille getting clowned, doesn't mean other VA's will also get clowned.
Izo is not equal or stronger than Jozu or Vista for example.
This power structure here in the Navy will follow Luffy's.
Zoro defeating the strongest VA with Mid Diff can happen, people are just eating the nonsense agenda of Kizaru being defeated by Zoro because of Saturn (Who doesn't seem to have any intentions to fight or be seen). I'd bet if Saturn wasn't here, this shit wouldn't happen.
He can't.
Just because you saw Bastille getting clowned, doesn't mean other VA's will also get clowned.
Izo is not equal or stronger than Jozu or Vista for example.
This power structure here in the Navy will follow Luffy's.
Zoro defeating the strongest VA with Mid Diff can happen, people are just eating the nonsense agenda of Kizaru being defeated by Zoro because of Saturn (Who doesn't seem to have any intentions to fight or be seen). I'd bet if Saturn wasn't here, this shit wouldn't happen.
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He can't.
:cheers:You could drop that superficial wound BS because Kaido never called it that. Kaido didn't say anything after Oden scarred him during battle.
It's been proven true time and time again the more damage your character receive in battle the more time it takes for them to recover. Kaido needed more than 8 days to be covered from Oden's attack and his DF gives him better recovery and healing than the ancient zoan DF. No, They weren't fully healed. Get over it.
Kaido never neg Zoro. He couldn't even hit Zoro once during their battle. Hitting Zoro who was already on the ground after the battle is over because of the injuries he received from 2 Yonkos and from running out of energy is not neg diff . That is no different than kicking a person who's down on the ground after your friends beat them for you.
PS: Luffy still struggle against a character who's weaker than King only because of the power he received from King. Imagine believing GB can neg a 100% King but Luffy can't do the same to a weaker King.
It's been proven true time and time again the more damage your character receive in battle the more time it takes for them to recover. Kaido needed more than 8 days to be covered from Oden's attack and his DF gives him better recovery and healing than the ancient zoan DF. No, They weren't fully healed. Get over it.
Kaido never neg Zoro. He couldn't even hit Zoro once during their battle. Hitting Zoro who was already on the ground after the battle is over because of the injuries he received from 2 Yonkos and from running out of energy is not neg diff . That is no different than kicking a person who's down on the ground after your friends beat them for you.
PS: Luffy still struggle against a character who's weaker than King only because of the power he received from King. Imagine believing GB can neg a 100% King but Luffy can't do the same to a weaker King.
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What’s up with this stupid Vice Admiral hate? I get that mostly they weren’t portrayed as crazy strong or were used as hype tools for much stronger guys, but you guys should realize that their level goes from weaker than Barto to being an Admiral candidate. Garp was an VA and he was on Rogers level, Tsuru made Doffy sweat by just hearing her name and run away from her. Those examples alone should make you understand that there is no such thing as VA level. Oda can literally make them YC level and above. There are even 2 Admiral candidates amongs them - even tho i don’t think they will be super close to Admiral level, because they were only created because of an SBS, but stil super powerful.
With the introduction of the Cross Guild bounties we even saw one of them having a Crown which is worth 1 billion and he looked random af. A guy worth 1 bil is gonna be a monster and will give Zoro, Sanji or Jimbei a hard time.
So let’s just wait and see.
With the introduction of the Cross Guild bounties we even saw one of them having a Crown which is worth 1 billion and he looked random af. A guy worth 1 bil is gonna be a monster and will give Zoro, Sanji or Jimbei a hard time.
So let’s just wait and see.