Chapter Discussion One Piece - Chapter 981 : "Engagement"

[TheAncientCenturion]

Marco’s own crew never openly disrespected him. In fact they always followed his lead even though he technically didn’t have any authority over them.

So far, 3 non Commanders have openly disrespected King on panel. Many more than that have also implied to not respect him.

Why are you using Ndule's argument? It's because they all want King's position or are Queen who has a naturally antagonistic relationship with.... Everyone who is close to him?

Besides, we have Marco objectively putting more effort into a lesser feat than King's. If anything, this chapter hypes King up.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Why are you using Ndule's argument? It's because they all want King's position or are Queen who has a naturally antagonistic relationship with.... Everyone who is close to him?

Besides, we have Marco objectively putting more effort into a lesser feat than King's. If anything, this chapter hypes King up.

They want King’s position because they believe they are stronger than him. Perospero was straight up ready to whoop King’s ass this chapter. Ask Perospero how he thinks he would fair in a fight with Katakuri.

Marco has always had low AP, this is nothing new. Marco has always been someone who’s main forte is his tankiness anyway. He is a tank, not a cannon, and he can tank top tier attacks left and right.

I doubt King can tank Who’s Who at this point.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

They want Kong’s position because they believe they are stronger than him.

And Jack, an All Star, cowers when King is nasty towards him. That speaks more to ignorance and let's on more about the nature of the Beast Pirates.

Perospero was straight up ready to whoop King’s ass this chapter. Ask Perospero how he thinks he would fair in a fight with Katakuri.

Well, Perospero shat himself when he thought he saw a bird in the sky and mistook it for King. So we have know he's deeply afraid of King and putting on a false bravado.

Marco has always had low AP, this is nothing new. Marco has always been someone who’s main forte is his tankiness anyway. He is a tank, not a cannon, and he can tank top tier attacks left and right.

I doubt King can tank Who’s Who at this point.

Yeah but that's not what you said, you tried to make the feats equal when one is objectively a lot worse than the other.

...? Lmfao. Okay, I'll bite. Show me King's durability feats and Who's Who's AP feats that led you to that belief.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

And Jack, an All Star, cowers when King is nasty towards him. That speaks more to ignorance and let's on more about the nature of the Beast Pirates.


Well, Perospero shat himself when he thought he saw a bird in the sky and mistook it for King. So we have know he's deeply afraid of King and putting on a false bravado.


Yeah but that's not what you said, you tried to make the feats equal when one is objectively a lot worse than the other.

...? Lmfao. Okay, I'll bite. Show me King's durability feats and Who's Who's AP feats that led you to that belief.

Jack has never done anything even resembling cowering in front of King lol. In fact, nobody in this manga has ever cowered from King. His panel time has consisted of being disrespected by his inferiors and treated as an absolute equal by Queen who people baselessly assume is weaker than King when there is paper thin reason to believe so.

Yeah but that's not what you said, you tried to make the feats equal when one is objectively a lot worse than the other.

The feats themselves were equal though. It just took Marco more effort, I never denied that lol.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Jack has never done anything even resembling cowering in front of King lol. In fact, nobody in this manga has ever cowered from King. His panel time has consisted of being disrespected by his inferiors and treated as an absolute equal by Queen who people baselessly assume is weaker than King when there is paper thin reason to believe so.

So I guess King and Queen insulting Jack and the Drought taking it while saying "Yes Bros!" is a sign of him disrespecting both? And, Kaido apparently has no issue with King using his name to summon the Tobi Roppo. Big Mom's pride was hurt when Katakuri dared to protect her / Mother Caramel's picture. Shows a degree of respect from Kaido that Katakuri doesn't have from his captain.

The feats themselves were equal though. It just took Marco more effort, I never denied that lol.

They aren't equal because King had to be faster than a top tier to accomplish what he did against an openly hostile BMPs. Marco, on the other hand, attacked the BMPs with either Linlin or them assuming they'd be attacked.

King did more than Marco did with less effort.

 

[mohamedM274]

damn that's one sturdy ass ship

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

So I guess King and Queen insulting Jack and the Drought taking it while saying "Yes Bros!" is a sign of him disrespecting both? And, Kaido apparently has no issue with King using his name to summon the Tobi Roppo. Big Mom's pride was hurt when Katakuri dared to protect her / Mother Caramel's picture. Shows a degree of respect from Kaido that Katakuri doesn't have from his captain.

Jack never disrespected King, but multiple people weaker than Jack have, and not once has anyone ever emphasized King’s strength or victory record while Katakuriwas hyped above Big Mom the page he was introduced

Katakuri was the only BMP who Big Mom viewed in this light:

Spoiler

She felt openly threatened by him when he protected her because she knows that he is a far more fitting captain than she is.

They aren't equal because King had to be faster than a top tier to accomplish what he did against an openly hostile BMPs. Marco, on the other hand, attacked the BMPs with either Linlin or them assuming they'd be attacked.

King did more than Marco did with less effort.

King outsped the literal slowest character in the manga, am I supposed to be impressed by that? Marco would dance circles around Big Mom. Marco can react to Light Speed Kizaru while big mom in-mind can’t react to King who is just a pterodactyl.

King did the exact same thing Marco did with less effort, while Marco isn’t even an AP focused fighter anyway while King is. Pretty said that King’s AP can be matched by a tank tbh.

 

[Shiroyru]

So I guess King and Queen insulting Jack and the Drought taking it while saying "Yes Bros!" is a sign of him disrespecting both? And, Kaido apparently has no issue with King using his name to summon the Tobi Roppo. Big Mom's pride was hurt when Katakuri dared to protect her / Mother Caramel's picture. Shows a degree of respect from Kaido that Katakuri doesn't have from his captain.


They aren't equal because King had to be faster than a top tier to accomplish what he did against an openly hostile BMPs. Marco, on the other hand, attacked the BMPs with either Linlin or them assuming they'd be attacked.

King did more than Marco did with less effort.

Honestly this chapter pretty much confirmed for me that Marco is not a cut above other YC1s

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Jack never disrespected King, but multiple people weaker than Jack have, and not once has anyone ever emphasized King’s strength or victory record while Katakuriwas hyped above Big Mom the page he was introduced

Katakuri was the only BMP who Big Mom viewed one this light:

Spoiler

She felt openly threatened by him when he protected her because she knows that he is a far more fitting captain than king is.

Lmao. Are we ignoring context now? Of course the guy who's CoO is so strong it can see into the future is the most dangerous guy around during a secret betrayal / assassination mission. That relies entirely on surprise and even with it Katakuri was barely stopped. Give Perospero that level of CoO and Bege would have the same thoughts regarding him.

Nah, Big Mom just doesn't respect him or buy into Katakuri's persona. That's all it says, with her insulting him. Whereas Kaido is all cool with King walking around with Kaido's authority due to the level of respect he has for King.

King outsped the literal slowest character in the manga, am I supposed to be impressed by that? Marco would dance circles around Big Mom. Marco can react to Light Speed Kizaru while big mom in-mind can’t react to King who is just a pterodactyl.

King did the exact same thing Marco did with less effort, while Marco isn’t even an AP focused fighter anyway while King is. Pretty said that King’s AP can be matched by a tank tbh.

Which more or less infers that King's movement speed is light speed, unless you think Big Mom straight up can't react to Kizaru at all. Which is silly, because high tiers alone can react to Kizaru and the stat disparity between top tiers and high tiers is insane.

It's just a little sad that Marco needs a named move + hybrid form to do what King does casually. Imagine comparing a base Luffy punch to Red Hawk and somehow finding out the base punch is superior lmfao.

 

[BangOO🍅]

damn that's one sturdy ass ship

Sanji is the real GOAT

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Bruhhh Perospero thinks he can kill King but he acknowledges that he is way weaker than Dogtooth @Cinera @ShishioIsBack @Light D Lamperouge @TheAncientCenturion

I think King for sure has the worst portrayal among YC1. And now his only good feat has been matched by Marco lol.

Pica was confident that he could take out Fujitora.

Does that mean that Pica is Admiral level or something? :zorothink:

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Lmao. Are we ignoring context now? Of course the guy who's CoO is so strong it can see into the future is the most dangerous guy around during a secret betrayal / assassination mission. That relies entirely on surprise and even with it Katakuri was barely stopped.

Find me one quote where anyone has ever said that King is a bigger threat than Kaido in any circumstance and I might concede this point to you. Might, since we are in the habit of nitpicking quotes that don’t suit our bias.

Give Perospero that level of CoO and Bege would have the same thoughts regarding him.

Sure. And give Perospero an encounter with King and Perospero will claim that he can kill King lol.

Nah, Big Mom just doesn't respect him or buy into Katakuri's persona. That's all it says, with her insulting him. Whereas Kaido is all cool with King walking around with Kaido's authority due to the level of respect he has for King.

She insults him because she fears him. Whitebeard never insulted Marco and Jozu because they knew their place and he wasn’t afraid of them. Big Mom is scared shitless of kuri, so she insults him to keep him from realizing that he can one shot her.

Kaido doesn’t give a shit about King.

Which more or less infers that King's movement speed is light speed,

Straight up the most retarded thing I’ve ever read.

It's just a little sad that Marco needs a named move + hybrid form to do what King does casually.

Pretty said that a tank can match an AP fighters AP lol. Marco can laugh off attacks from top tiers but also has King level AP, which is pretty pathetic for King.

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Pica was confident that he could take out Fujitora.

Does that mean that Pica is Admiral level or something? :zorothink:

Pica had no intel on Fuji who was a newcomer of unknown power.

Perospero is 50+ years old and has known King for decades. Plus, he only commented on how he would kill King after he saw King in action. That didn’t apply to pica and Fuji.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Find me one quote where anyone has ever said that King is a bigger threat than Kaido in any circumstance and I might concede this point to you. Might, since we are in the habit of nitpicking quotes that don’t suit our bias.

Where have I nitpicked any quote? You're just ignoring context for Katakuri's to build him up lmao.

Sure. And give Perospero an encounter with King and Perospero will claim that he can kill King lol.

And proceed to have Vietnam flashbacks the second he sees a shadow (Note: Cannot even discern its true size or shape) on the horizon and sweats bullets.

She insults him because she fears him.

Headcanon.

Whitebeard never insulted Marco and Jozu because they knew their place and he wasn’t afraid of them. Big Mom is scared shitless of kuri, so she insults him to keep him from realizing that he can one shot her.

Whitebeard has his idealized family. Big Mom is a queen bee spitting out children who she has no respect for what so ever. Even Pudding, the most valuable person in Big Mom's goal of becoming Pirate King, got zero love or tenderness. Big Mom being a cold bitch is on purpose and not because she's afraid of Luffy's boytoy.

Kaido doesn’t give a shit about King.

He seems pretty familiar with his top subordinates. Queen referred to him as Kaido-san when Kaido personally called to tell him of Komurosaki's death. He's overly familiar with the Tobi Roppo and even tried (meekly) to stop them from fighting, like he was afraid of getting caught up in it.

Really, evidence points towards Kaido liking his elite a lot.

Straight up the most retarded thing I’ve ever read.

Can Big Mom react to random lasers from Kizaru? Probably.
Can Big Mom react to King? Nope.

Pretty said that a tank can match an AP fighters AP lol. Marco can laugh off attacks from top tiers but also has King level AP, which is pretty pathetic for King.

I mean... Again, this is like having someone's Redhawk equivalent being equal to a base Luffy's punch equivalent. If you find that sad than that's really on you lmao. The fact King's also an ancient Zoan means he's more than likely going to be a beast with stamina too, so fully expect King to be the most well rounded FM.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Imo you guys @TheAncientCenturion @Admiral Lee Hung should chill down about this whole "Hybrid > Base > Zoan" and how Hybrid is always the strongest out of all 3 forms.

It's not how Oda does things. He doesn't do powerlevel consistently (thus many battles are offpanelled because you can hide your inconsistent if it's offpanelled), and just somehow likes to draw Hybrid Marco more than zoan Marco. Somehow likes to draw hybrid version of certain zoan users (like Lucci, Jyabura, Marco, etc) than their full zoan forms. But for another character like Kaido, Jack, Queen, King, Page One, etc, he just happens to like drawing their full zoan forms than their hybrid form.

It's not always about powerscale, it's only about sometimes Oda prefers zoan form for certain characters, sometimes Oda prefer hybrid forms.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Imo you guys @TheAncientCenturion @Admiral Lee Hung should chill down about this whole "Hybrid > Base > Zoan" and how Hybrid is always the strongest out of all 3 forms.

It's not how Oda does things. He doesn't do powerlevel consistently (thus many battles are offpanelled because you can hide your inconsistent if it's offpanelled), and just somehow likes to draw Hybrid Marco more than zoan Marco. Somehow likes to draw hybrid version of certain zoan users (like Lucci, Jyabura, Marco, etc) than their full zoan forms. But for another character like Kaido, Jack, Queen, King, Page One, etc, he just happens to like drawing their full zoan forms than their hybrid form.

It's not always about powerscale, it's only about sometimes Oda prefers zoan form for certain characters, sometimes Oda prefer hybrid forms.

Hybrid's definitely the best out of the three. It's the most serious form used by every Zoan out there. It's not always the physically strongest but overall most powerful for combat.

I do think Zoan/Human definitely can be contested depending on who's who but Hybrid definitely is at the top.

 

[KenshiraSonata]

The title of the chapter is weird, whos engagement is that? Flampe's??

 

[Lion of Olympus]

The title of the chapter is weird, whos engagement is that? Flampe's??

The reader’s

 

[MonsterZoro]

big mom pirates is the worst thing to happen to one piece..

 

[Lion of Olympus]

big mom pirates is the worst thing to happen to one piece..

Agreed. Good thing Sanji’s here to get rid of them :smithnie:

 

[Akai2]

The title of the chapter is weird, whos engagement is that? Flampe's??

Engagement Noun (Fighting)
The act of beginning to fight someone, or a period of time in a war

It's referring to the war's beginning phase, I see how you could've thought it was a marriage engagement tho.

I wouldn't rule that type of engagement out yet, dunno what Yamato's announcement will be.