General & Others At what point does "inspiration" become close to "ripping off"?

lee33

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Wano and Skypeia backstory were basically a copy of, "Plato's, Atlantis". WCI theme was basically, "Alice in Wonderland". Ancient weapons are based off Greek mythology stories. G5 is from Tom & Jerry. Joy Boy from west Africa story. Many examples like this.

It is fine to look for inspiration and add them to your story, however, your entire story can't be constantly looking for other stories for "inspiration". There is a fine line between "inspiration" and "ripping off". At what point does "inspiration" become "ripping off"?





 
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Cruxroux

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lee33 said:
Wano and Skypeia backstory were basically a copy of, "Plato's, Atlantis". WCI theme was basically, "Alice in Wonderland". Ancient weapons are based off Greek mythology stories. G5 is from Tom & Jerry. Joy Boy from west Africa story. Many examples like this.

It is fine to look for inspiration and add them to your story, however, your entire story can't be constantly looking for other stories for "inspiration". There is a fine line between "inspiration" and "ripping off". At what point does "inspiration" become "ripping off"?





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That's why I follow the series for Zoro.
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Charlotte Horchata

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It's an inspiration when:

1) The intention isn't passing the original work as your own but explicitly referring it. Whole Cake has elements from Alice explicitly because Oda wants the reader to notice them.

2) You take the original work and do something original with it. For example, Baron Tamago takes many inspirations but gives them a creative twist that gives identity to the character.

3) The original work set the foundations for what you want to do. Oda isn't ripping Tom & Jerry off: he wants to give a cartoonesque logic to Luffy's fighting style and Tom & Jerry is one of the foundational works on cartoon that you must go to if you want your own work to feel cartoonish. In other words: you can't do the kind of toon Oda intends without looking like certain previous works because you want to replicate their style as it's foundational of what you intend to achieve.

4) What is inspiring you has become an archetype and/or motif for humanity to use. Atlantis not only wasn't a literary but an argumental concept, by the way (Plato doesn't even take credit of it), but so many stories have used throughout human history that it has become a motif. You can't accuse anybody of ripping it off since it doesn't belong anymore to Plato but humanity as a whole.

5) You intend to seek the inherent value that lies in making a reference to something from the real world. Authors have always, always taken stuff from the world and incorporated it to their works; Oda is taking Joyboy's folklore and putting it into his work because he finds an intrinsic value in the reference itself and how he can work with it and transform it with his own ideas and perspectives.

That would pretty much be it.
 
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lee33

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TheAncientCenturion said:
I’d say it becomes ripping off when the author does not add sufficient originality to the story to where it can stand on its own.

Romeo and Juliet is heavily influenced by the much earlier Greek drama, Metamorphosis. But it stands on its own, eclipsing it’s inspiration in fame.
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But in Romeo and Juliet, it was basically a sinlge theme that was borrowed whereas in One Piece it is constantly grabbing other sources and including it into your own. Sure it is fine to use Romeo and Juliet and adding your own spice into it, but constantly looking at other people works and put it into your own isn't the same as just grabbing a single idea.
 
Charlotte Horchata

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By the way, Lee33 isn't using the word "plagiarism" here because it's easier for him to avoid such legal terms and enter vague semantics where he can pass his dumb takes on this issue. But he had no problem with using it back in the day:

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...da-loves-plagiarizing-american-fiction.32782/

Guess he found it smarter to just avoid the term and go for less specific approaches since he doesn't want to discuss anything with honesty but bash Oda on the basis of his own ignorance on how the creative process works.

PD: Vegapunk turned out to be quite tall, Lee!
 
DarkWitch

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lee33 said:
As always in my threads, attacking the messenger instead of the message. If yall want to shit on Naruto, go to Naruto section, make a thread and shit on it.
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All you fucking do is just bash on One Piece and Oda, it was ok the first few times but now it is to the point where it has become really annoying.

If you can't discuss anything else when it comes to One Piece other than just bashing the series all the time, then either stop participating in the discussions when it comes to the series and move on to other stuff or leave WorstGen.

Chrono is a perfect example of someone who doesn't read One Piece anymore and doesn't participate in the discussions when it comes to the series and instead of constantly bashing on the series and making dumb topics like you, he instead just moved to other stuff and is only participating in discussions for other series.

It's not that hard to do, also the fact that people still love and enjoy this series must really trigger you.

Charlotte Horchata said:
Anybody who has treated you enough knows it's pointless to discuss anything so it's funnier and more useful to just mock you.
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Lee deserves to get mocked, all he does is cry and complain about how One Piece sucks and how much of a horrible writer Oda is.

Lastly, Lee probably thinks of himself as a critic but he's not.

There is a difference between actual criticism and just full on hate.
 
Logiko

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Absolute creativity is something that does not exist. In reality creativity is reconstruction and inspiration remodeling. In short creation is all about finding a way to make old idea into your new one.

Oda is a master at that. He is heavily inspired by a lot of thing, history, pop culture, old culture, but he always managed to use it to create new idea. Gear 5 and the lore around Joy boy is a great example of that.

No "ripping off" here. Just good storytelling.
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DarkWitch said:
All you fucking do is just bash on One Piece and Oda, it was ok the first few times but now it is to the point where it has become really annoying.
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Don't worry. One Piece will pass the test of time, those people will not.
 
Gaimon The Pirate

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Yeah, imagine going to a school where you learn magic arts Ninja skills and your main enemy is a snake-y guy that is well know for corrupting people.
And imagine learning to walk on walls using only your Hamon chakra.

Inspiration is not plagiarism.

He also said that fishman island is a copy of atlantis, or some retarded shit like that.
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Oh btw this thread is a rehash
lee33 said:
  1. Big Mom WCI ----> Alice In Wonderland
  2. Ancient Weapons -----> Greek Mythology
  3. Wano lost city -----> Atlantis
  4. Luffy Tune Force -----> Tom and Jerry
List goes on and on and yet you claim "One piece isn't a collection of other people's work"? And like I said before I am not going to get into a semantics argument with you over what the definition of plagiarism is.

Can I ask you a question? Was Naruto beginning a copy of HxH?
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Punk Rotten

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Well it depends on execution and context. All of One Piece is a reference in some way to the real world. Look at the landscape, the architectural references etc. One Piece is a worldly referencing series (characters too), and this Gear 5 influence stems from the move of the medium of manga, anime, and animation in general. Crossing genres is not plagiarism or ripping off because it’s not 1 to1.

Nothing is original anymore as many people say. It’s the new approach that matters.

The Mask is live action reference to the looney tunes insanity, this is the manga version which has its own traditions
 
Gaimon The Pirate

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Paperchampion23 said:
Really wonder what the ulterior motive is for these threads. You spend all this energy just to get schooled on in 2 posts. Are you okay Lee?
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Punk Rotten said:
Well it depends on execution and context. All of One Piece is a reference in some way to the real world. Look at the landscape, the architectural references etc. One Piece is a worldly referencing series (characters too), and this Gear 5 influence stems from the move of the medium of manga, anime, and animation in general. Crossing genres is not plagiarism or ripping off because it’s not 1 to1.

Nothing is original anymore as many people say. It’s the new approach that matters
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Nah, Oda is plagiarising Florence and Venice. And also Valencia.
Absolute hack.
 
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