One Piece Chapter 1090: "Admiral Kizaru"
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Lucci was trying to incapacitate as he stated or worse. My ass isn't an argument when Lucci himself in black and white stated his intent which you are ignoring don't believe me that's completely fine just take the authors word for it which he had Lucci state. Kizaru was clearly not as it was a casual kick, to a friend as he stated. I NEVER stated he used zero effort I said casual learn the difference it's not that hard. And Whitebeard in Marineford pre-time skip is irrelevant to the situation I would say nice try but that was actual zero effort.
Literally it's all there in the manga stated in black and white Lucci saying hey you not ko'ed? I really tried to knock you out to control the seraphim. And Kizaru told Saturn, basically his boss right now that the man is my friend and we see a picture of Kizaru with Vegapunk and Sentomaru as a child. Its literally spelled out for you in words from the character's speech and the context clues stare at you from the page. Reading the manga backwards couldn't produce the thoughts you have. I guess you only read chapter summaries for onepiece.wikia.
Literally it's all there in the manga stated in black and white Lucci saying hey you not ko'ed? I really tried to knock you out to control the seraphim. And Kizaru told Saturn, basically his boss right now that the man is my friend and we see a picture of Kizaru with Vegapunk and Sentomaru as a child. Its literally spelled out for you in words from the character's speech and the context clues stare at you from the page. Reading the manga backwards couldn't produce the thoughts you have. I guess you only read chapter summaries for onepiece.wikia.
Going for the kill isn't the same thing as being bloodlusted.
Again, no matter what fucking cope you conjure up, it'll never, ever, erase the fact that Kizaru's lightspeed kick, his maximum speed, was casually reacted to and blocked by Sentomaru, a straight fodder.
Whitebeard is entirely relevant because he definitively proves that named attacks mean jack shit, you want it to not be relevant because it takes a huge shit on your argument.
What does Kizaru being Sentomaru's friend have to do with anything? Are Zoro and Luffy not friends? Were they holding back against each other in Whiskey Peak? Are Luffy and Sanji not friends? Was Sanji holding back against Luffy in WCI? The answer to both is no, Kizaru looks like trash so you have to cope and say he's using a mere fraction of his power, it's pathetic.
Again, no matter what fucking cope you conjure up, it'll never, ever, erase the fact that Kizaru's lightspeed kick, his maximum speed, was casually reacted to and blocked by Sentomaru, a straight fodder.
Whitebeard is entirely relevant because he definitively proves that named attacks mean jack shit, you want it to not be relevant because it takes a huge shit on your argument.
What does Kizaru being Sentomaru's friend have to do with anything? Are Zoro and Luffy not friends? Were they holding back against each other in Whiskey Peak? Are Luffy and Sanji not friends? Was Sanji holding back against Luffy in WCI? The answer to both is no, Kizaru looks like trash so you have to cope and say he's using a mere fraction of his power, it's pathetic.
Bloodlusted isn't the same as going for the kill? Let's see....1 sec google search:
blood·lust
/ˈblədˌləst/
noun
No its not relevant because pre-time skip has proven to be wildly inconsistent. There's some of the same pre-time skip concepts that are the same that seem like entirely new concepts because they have changed so much. No matter what instance you try to bring up a BLOODLUSTED Lucci who says he was trying to ko Sentomaru is completely different from one Kizaru who just left after he told his boss hey this is my friend and threw a kick. This was not an example of an admiral trying his hardest the even suggest that is nonsensical. I'm not here for the agenda piece cope would imply I cared but I could give a shit about admirals, Lucci or Sentomaru if I'm being honest. I'm a fan of common sense though. How the characters tells you their goals, that comes from the author to ignore and argue against that is ridiculous. Then to add the chapter coming up will completely support what I'm saying because it's not hard to read the room. Hey Jinbe blocked an angry hunger pained Big Mom but took damage when he blocked Who's Who...is Who's Who stronger than Big Mom? This is why reading context clues and having common sense comes into play.
Unless you see pops when you stare at a stop sign.
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blood·lust
/ˈblədˌləst/
noun
- Uncontrollable desire to kill or maim others
No its not relevant because pre-time skip has proven to be wildly inconsistent. There's some of the same pre-time skip concepts that are the same that seem like entirely new concepts because they have changed so much. No matter what instance you try to bring up a BLOODLUSTED Lucci who says he was trying to ko Sentomaru is completely different from one Kizaru who just left after he told his boss hey this is my friend and threw a kick. This was not an example of an admiral trying his hardest the even suggest that is nonsensical. I'm not here for the agenda piece cope would imply I cared but I could give a shit about admirals, Lucci or Sentomaru if I'm being honest. I'm a fan of common sense though. How the characters tells you their goals, that comes from the author to ignore and argue against that is ridiculous. Then to add the chapter coming up will completely support what I'm saying because it's not hard to read the room. Hey Jinbe blocked an angry hunger pained Big Mom but took damage when he blocked Who's Who...is Who's Who stronger than Big Mom? This is why reading context clues and having common sense comes into play.
Unless you see pops when you stare at a stop sign.
Refer to my username because I am
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Emphasis on uncontrollable desire 
How is it mental gymnastics to bring up easily comparable things? Sanji and Zoro are Luffy's friends, didn't stop them from being serious against him, you have this retarded baseless notion that two friends can only ever use a tiny portion of their power against each other which is just completely stupid and the epitome of reaching.
Here we go with the "inconsistent!!!" "outlier!!!" "special case!!!" garbage arguments, not even worth refuting such trash.
Kizaru is literally moving as fucking light, that's his peak speed, he's not holding back there, sure a kick isn't Kizaru's strongest attack, I never claimed that it was, but Lucci's Shugan isn't his strongest attack either, and unlike Kizaru, he effortlessly broke through Sentomaru's barrier with it.
Jinbe was breaking Who's Who's fingers by just fucking standing still lmao and he also blocked Akainu's magma fist, I don't know how you think that's even close to Kizaru failing to break through a barrier that Lucci already broke.
How is it mental gymnastics to bring up easily comparable things? Sanji and Zoro are Luffy's friends, didn't stop them from being serious against him, you have this retarded baseless notion that two friends can only ever use a tiny portion of their power against each other which is just completely stupid and the epitome of reaching.
Here we go with the "inconsistent!!!" "outlier!!!" "special case!!!" garbage arguments, not even worth refuting such trash.
Kizaru is literally moving as fucking light, that's his peak speed, he's not holding back there, sure a kick isn't Kizaru's strongest attack, I never claimed that it was, but Lucci's Shugan isn't his strongest attack either, and unlike Kizaru, he effortlessly broke through Sentomaru's barrier with it.
Jinbe was breaking Who's Who's fingers by just fucking standing still lmao and he also blocked Akainu's magma fist, I don't know how you think that's even close to Kizaru failing to break through a barrier that Lucci already broke.
Emphasis on uncontrollable desire
How is it mental gymnastics to bring up easily comparable things? Sanji and Zoro are Luffy's friends, didn't stop them from being serious against him, you have this retarded baseless notion that two friends can only ever use a tiny portion of their power against each other which is just completely stupid and the epitome of reaching.
Here we go with the "inconsistent!!!" "outlier!!!" "special case!!!" garbage arguments, not even worth refuting such trash.
Kizaru is literally moving as fucking light, that's his peak speed, he's not holding back there, sure a kick isn't Kizaru's strongest attack, I never claimed that it was, but Lucci's Shugan isn't his strongest attack either, and unlike Kizaru, he effortlessly broke through Sentomaru's barrier with it.
Jinbe was breaking Who's Who's fingers by just fucking standing still lmao and he also blocked Akainu's magma fist, I don't know how you think that's even close to Kizaru failing to break through a barrier that Lucci already broke.
How is it mental gymnastics to bring up easily comparable things? Sanji and Zoro are Luffy's friends, didn't stop them from being serious against him, you have this retarded baseless notion that two friends can only ever use a tiny portion of their power against each other which is just completely stupid and the epitome of reaching.
Here we go with the "inconsistent!!!" "outlier!!!" "special case!!!" garbage arguments, not even worth refuting such trash.
Kizaru is literally moving as fucking light, that's his peak speed, he's not holding back there, sure a kick isn't Kizaru's strongest attack, I never claimed that it was, but Lucci's Shugan isn't his strongest attack either, and unlike Kizaru, he effortlessly broke through Sentomaru's barrier with it.
Jinbe was breaking Who's Who's fingers by just fucking standing still lmao and he also blocked Akainu's magma fist, I don't know how you think that's even close to Kizaru failing to break through a barrier that Lucci already broke.
I like how you brought the nonsense Zoro and Sanji fighting Luffy thing up that they were serious but failed to acknowledge they offered Luffy an out of the fight because they were FRIENDS. Sanji asked Luffy to just leave, Zoro only defended telling Luffy to stop until he figured out Luffy was serious. Just like I said Kizaru told his boss that man is my friend I can't ignore him. CONTEXT is important read a chapter a couple times if you miss it, instead of instantly spinning those powerscaling gears in your head. He will give him a chance to walk away if he chooses not to Sentomaru will be on a shirt.
Eventually yes Who's Who fingers broke that came later Jinbe took damage first but you completely missed the point. If we judge based on the one panel Jinbe took damage initially blocking Who's Who attack when a mad Big Mom's sword didn't damage him. You are making a conclusive statement based on one panel in a chapter ending page it's the same thing and it's crazy to say. I wasn't even going to bring up Akainu. There's multiple examples of both sides, which I why I say over and over again context clues are pivotal.
What's the purpose of arguing a point that will be dissolved the very next chapter?
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Kizaru definitely fighting Zoro. Zoro will want that rematch, and Kizaru has to accept. 
Saturn might be the final fight this arc, Luffy and Zoro stay back, while everyone goes to elbaf. In effect, Ussop gets much needed focus.
Wizaru represent the admirals well, if you have Luffy doing his best GB impression.
Saturn might be the final fight this arc, Luffy and Zoro stay back, while everyone goes to elbaf. In effect, Ussop gets much needed focus.
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Wizaru represent the admirals well, if you have Luffy doing his best GB impression.
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