Powers & Abilities Zoro and the Scabbards
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I actually do believe Zoro is above them, BUT not because he tamed the sword unlike them. That's because Heitetsu clearly stated that his posession of Wado Ichimonji helped him to control Enma easier.
Other scabbard do not have Wado. So, it's unfair.
However, I do believe that Zoro is above them, and if he's not above them, then at least he and Sanji do have the potential to surpass them by the end of this arc anyway.
I have a hard time thinking that Oda will make the scabbard have bigger role than the monster trio. For me, I see it very slim.
Luffy, Zoro and Sanji will have bigger role than scabbards imo against the top characters from villains this arc.
Hell, Law and Kidd are no exception as well and will do more than scabbards imo as well
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While Toei consistently try to humiliate Luffy to look weaker than Zoro Lmao
Unless Batman truly is the right hand of Kaido lol
Other scabbard do not have Wado. So, it's unfair.
However, I do believe that Zoro is above them, and if he's not above them, then at least he and Sanji do have the potential to surpass them by the end of this arc anyway.
I have a hard time thinking that Oda will make the scabbard have bigger role than the monster trio. For me, I see it very slim.
Luffy, Zoro and Sanji will have bigger role than scabbards imo against the top characters from villains this arc.
Hell, Law and Kidd are no exception as well and will do more than scabbards imo as well
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Fishman Island Zoro is the same Zoro that we seeing now and Enma brings nothing to the table unless shown otherwise.
Zoro is simply too strong and restrained by plot to make Luffy look good.
Zoro is simply too strong and restrained by plot to make Luffy look good.
Unless Batman truly is the right hand of Kaido lol
lmao that's absolute bullshit and and selective reading.
No it was Zoro's Haki that tamed Enma. Wado Ichimonji only helped him get used to Enma, because of blade being of similar quality, as it is made by same swordsmith.
It just means both blades probably have similar weight, sharpness etc. That is the reason why it took Zoro a little longer to get used to Shushui because of it being heavier and different kinda sword than he wielded before.
Saying Zoro did if because of Wado Ichimonji is chewing on crayons becaues pre TS Zoro couldn't even control flow of Haki, he can't just randomly control a sword that requires Oden level Haki.
I legit don't know how people can read a manga aimed at teenagers, and fail to understand little things lmao.
Its embarrassing tbh.
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Also lmao at putting Zoro and Sanji in same sentence when Sanji literally took a dump inside his pants looking at Zoro flex. Zoro with Enma low diffs Raid suit Sanji tops, anything beyond that is having unhealthy obsession with japanese drawings and chewing on 300 crayons.
Also please don't write a long ass essay if you are gonna reply me.
No it was Zoro's Haki that tamed Enma. Wado Ichimonji only helped him get used to Enma, because of blade being of similar quality, as it is made by same swordsmith.
It just means both blades probably have similar weight, sharpness etc. That is the reason why it took Zoro a little longer to get used to Shushui because of it being heavier and different kinda sword than he wielded before.
Saying Zoro did if because of Wado Ichimonji is chewing on crayons becaues pre TS Zoro couldn't even control flow of Haki, he can't just randomly control a sword that requires Oden level Haki.
I legit don't know how people can read a manga aimed at teenagers, and fail to understand little things lmao.
Its embarrassing tbh.
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Also lmao at putting Zoro and Sanji in same sentence when Sanji literally took a dump inside his pants looking at Zoro flex. Zoro with Enma low diffs Raid suit Sanji tops, anything beyond that is having unhealthy obsession with japanese drawings and chewing on 300 crayons.
Also please don't write a long ass essay if you are gonna reply me.
Sanji Sanji Sanji Sanji!
What's more funny is how sensetive you all are!
I came to speak a piece of my mind, yet some childish mentality exist here as if I came to attack Zoro when I came to back him up.
But to illustrate how weak and sensetive you are, where rather than having a civilized discussion, you get salty the moment Sanji's name is mentioned.
This is a one piece forum, we discuss one piece, I mentioned Law and Kidd as well, if you truly will justify your stupid reply to me with "Sanji has nothing to do with the topic", then you should have included Kidd and Law.
But it's obvious such mentality only befits that of a delusional kid
What's more funny is how sensetive you all are!
I came to speak a piece of my mind, yet some childish mentality exist here as if I came to attack Zoro when I came to back him up.
But to illustrate how weak and sensetive you are, where rather than having a civilized discussion, you get salty the moment Sanji's name is mentioned.
This is a one piece forum, we discuss one piece, I mentioned Law and Kidd as well, if you truly will justify your stupid reply to me with "Sanji has nothing to do with the topic", then you should have included Kidd and Law.
But it's obvious such mentality only befits that of a delusional kid
Lmaoo talk about irony of that statement asking for my age when you prove you clearly don't have the ability to comprehend text aimed at 13 year olds and higher.
Either you are an intellectually dishonest person and straight up lied to made your point, you have to lack ability to simply comprehend English to react that stupid ass conclusion. So don't give me that cliche ass sass.
Its not a topic to disagree on, its an actual fact. Its like you saying Luffy is not a captain of strawhats and then telling me "relax dude we just disagree on something"
Either you are an intellectually dishonest person and straight up lied to made your point, you have to lack ability to simply comprehend English to react that stupid ass conclusion. So don't give me that cliche ass sass.
Its not a topic to disagree on, its an actual fact. Its like you saying Luffy is not a captain of strawhats and then telling me "relax dude we just disagree on something"
Well I guess I can respect that. Lets have civilized discussion then.
Based on events of manga, your proposition that it is Wado Ichimonji that allowed Roronoa Zoro to control the power of Enma is wrong based on the fact that Zoro had Wado Ichimonji all the way since he was a little child. And we can safely assume he mastered Wado Ichimonji in his mid teenage years yet I don't think he would be able to tame a blade that will knock out Ashura Doji during his mid teenage years.
What Tengoyama meant is that since both Wado Ichimonji and Enma are blades of similar nature, Zoro is getting used to Enma at rapid pace. Based on your proposition though, Kuina and every previous holder of Wado Ichimonji should have been able to tame Enma as well which goes against the lore of Wano.
Also if Wado Ichimonji had anything to do with it, Enma wouldn't suck all of that Haki from Zoro to begin with.
The reason why Zoro can tame Enma is because is armament Haki is on a different level than anyone in Wano history bar Oden and perhaps Ryuma.
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You are a nice guy lol, I shoulda been nicer to you.
I changed my mind about you and will apologize to you.
Lets be homies :cheers:
Based on events of manga, your proposition that it is Wado Ichimonji that allowed Roronoa Zoro to control the power of Enma is wrong based on the fact that Zoro had Wado Ichimonji all the way since he was a little child. And we can safely assume he mastered Wado Ichimonji in his mid teenage years yet I don't think he would be able to tame a blade that will knock out Ashura Doji during his mid teenage years.
What Tengoyama meant is that since both Wado Ichimonji and Enma are blades of similar nature, Zoro is getting used to Enma at rapid pace. Based on your proposition though, Kuina and every previous holder of Wado Ichimonji should have been able to tame Enma as well which goes against the lore of Wano.
Also if Wado Ichimonji had anything to do with it, Enma wouldn't suck all of that Haki from Zoro to begin with.
The reason why Zoro can tame Enma is because is armament Haki is on a different level than anyone in Wano history bar Oden and perhaps Ryuma.
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You are a nice guy lol, I shoulda been nicer to you.
I changed my mind about you and will apologize to you.
Lets be homies :cheers:
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Zoro faints
Inu blocks Javk attack with one hand
Mstered Enma zoro is gonna be barely Yc2/3
Pre enma< below Dukes Ashura Kawa
This is not even mentioning Zoro managing to escape deep gravity pressure from the strongest character in Dressrosa with a basic air slash.
Quite simply, none of the scabbards come close to Zoro in the physical strength department.
Don’t find much worth in worrying about what ifs or future scenarios with unlimited variables, but unless Zoro is soloing Kaidou, if he was already stronger than Mingo entering Wano, there would be no reason to even give him a significant upgrade before having him fight seriously. It serves no real purpose for this arc. Luffy is getting them because he’s clearly out of Kaidou’s league, Sanji needed a boost in order to remain even somewhat relevant in battles, so Zoro needed Enma to fodderize the calamities? Because apparently, he was already stronger than them before receiving the upgrade. Lmao right. Something clearly isn’t adding up here. Someone stronger than Mingo getting a power up would embarrass Yonkou commanders, since Doflamingo as he already is, is more than enough to give them a solid fight. Yes damaging Kaidou might play a part, but then what? Is he just not going to have any 1v1 battles with anything less than Kaidou (calamity lvl opponent), or is he just going to give them the Pica treatment? You’re probably in for a rude awakening if you think this is the case.
One thing I’m certain of is Zoro is gonna be a hell of a lot stronger after this arc then when he came into it.
Fishman Island was 1 day, Punk Hazard was 1 day, Dressrosa was 1 day. In this arc alone I think 2 weeks passed. Not only did Zoro get a significant upgrade, unlike on Thriller Bark, he has had multiple arcs worth of time to train with the blade. Act 2 was like a mini time skip for the strawhats especially Luffy and Zoro, they are coming out of this way stronger than they entered. So yes there is nothing wrong with Zoro being below Doflamingo entering Wano to being above Oden exiting it, after multiple days of training and an upcoming battle which will possibly be the toughest one since Mihawk back in East blue.
Hopefully Oda gives Zoro a big name to take down for the first time ever, cause he’s severely lacking in his resume, he’s only ever taken down lackeys. Feats are cool and all but you have to do them against meaningful competition, Pica had an entire arc and he couldn’t damage Zoro once, Hawkins was given mere seconds and Zoro left bleeding (save me the excuses this isn’t a deep dive into that battle, it’s a surface level comparison). That’s the difference in quality of opponents and Zoro needs more of those, Wano is on a grand scale so I’m confident he’ll get them here. So yea quality opponents + multiple arcs worth of time to train = massive upgrades, how that’s harder to believe than him coming out of the timeskip Doflamingo level, given everything we know, is odd to say the least.
Who knows and who cares really, Denjiro is a no show and Kappa is featless, those two add nothing to the discussion atm. Sure that might mean they're around the same level but Ashura Doji is scalable since he actually did something, so we’ll use him as an example. Not to mention he does have a portrayal edge anyways, but maybe we’ll see where the rest are at soon enough.
Got news for you, the beginning of the timeskip to the end of Dressrosa was hardly over 3 days. 3 days in One Piece time is an eternity to learn and grow, his growth rate is abnormal as it is, give him a literal power up to work on in those days and yea…not hard to imagine why Hitetsu would have confidence in a guy adapting that much in such short a time.
One thing I’m certain of is Zoro is gonna be a hell of a lot stronger after this arc then when he came into it.
Fishman Island was 1 day, Punk Hazard was 1 day, Dressrosa was 1 day. In this arc alone I think 2 weeks passed. Not only did Zoro get a significant upgrade, unlike on Thriller Bark, he has had multiple arcs worth of time to train with the blade. Act 2 was like a mini time skip for the strawhats especially Luffy and Zoro, they are coming out of this way stronger than they entered. So yes there is nothing wrong with Zoro being below Doflamingo entering Wano to being above Oden exiting it, after multiple days of training and an upcoming battle which will possibly be the toughest one since Mihawk back in East blue.
Hopefully Oda gives Zoro a big name to take down for the first time ever, cause he’s severely lacking in his resume, he’s only ever taken down lackeys. Feats are cool and all but you have to do them against meaningful competition, Pica had an entire arc and he couldn’t damage Zoro once, Hawkins was given mere seconds and Zoro left bleeding (save me the excuses this isn’t a deep dive into that battle, it’s a surface level comparison). That’s the difference in quality of opponents and Zoro needs more of those, Wano is on a grand scale so I’m confident he’ll get them here. So yea quality opponents + multiple arcs worth of time to train = massive upgrades, how that’s harder to believe than him coming out of the timeskip Doflamingo level, given everything we know, is odd to say the least.
Who knows and who cares really, Denjiro is a no show and Kappa is featless, those two add nothing to the discussion atm. Sure that might mean they're around the same level but Ashura Doji is scalable since he actually did something, so we’ll use him as an example. Not to mention he does have a portrayal edge anyways, but maybe we’ll see where the rest are at soon enough.
Got news for you, the beginning of the timeskip to the end of Dressrosa was hardly over 3 days. 3 days in One Piece time is an eternity to learn and grow, his growth rate is abnormal as it is, give him a literal power up to work on in those days and yea…not hard to imagine why Hitetsu would have confidence in a guy adapting that much in such short a time.