General & Others Luffy haki training 3.0
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I don't think so. Devil fruit perhaps, but until he pulls off Galaxy Impact and similar stuff, I wouldn't say his haki is maxed out... if haki can even be maxed out.
Unless you mean that he won't be learning any new Haki techniques, in which case I agree, but I wouldn't call that "maxed out".
I don't think Luffy has Shanks' level of CoO either. Remember that Shanks was able to see future couple of minutes in advance (when he predicted Kidd's Damned Punk). I don't remember Luffy ever showing that level of future sight? Best I remember from him is several seconds in advance or so.
CoC is based on user's willpower, not his combat strength. I have doubt that Blackbear e.g. has CoC despite being a monster in terms of physical strength.
Unless you mean that he won't be learning any new Haki techniques, in which case I agree, but I wouldn't call that "maxed out".
I don't think Luffy has Shanks' level of CoO either. Remember that Shanks was able to see future couple of minutes in advance (when he predicted Kidd's Damned Punk). I don't remember Luffy ever showing that level of future sight? Best I remember from him is several seconds in advance or so.
CoC is based on user's willpower, not his combat strength. I have doubt that Blackbear e.g. has CoC despite being a monster in terms of physical strength.
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G6 is predicted for 2030 and Oda wants to end One Piece before that. There goes your answer. Plus...
Shanks FS wasn't hyped at all. He just used to protect the weak.
And where this headcannon of him seeing a minute or more in the future comes from?
You think that the whole process of him leaving his ship and hitting Kid took over a minute? Hell Shanks is so slow then...
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Shanks FS wasn't hyped at all. He just used to protect the weak.
And where this headcannon of him seeing a minute or more in the future comes from?
You think that the whole process of him leaving his ship and hitting Kid took over a minute? Hell Shanks is so slow then...
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I'm saying about him predicting Kidd's attack and its effects. How quickly Shanks took out Kidd has no bearing on that, question is how long will it have taken for Kidd's "Damned Punk" to take effect. And to me it definitely looked like something that took time.
What I wrote: "CoC is based on user's willpower, not his combat strength."
Rayleigh: "It is the embodiement of the spirit of the user".
"User growing stronger" does call my interpretation into question, but on the flip side, combat strength itself is very dependant on willpower. Remember how Big Mom becomes vulnerable when distressed?
In other words, one doesn't improve Conqueror's Haki by growing stronger, but rather, one grows stronger by improving their willpower - which includes Conqueror's Haki.
What I wrote: "CoC is based on user's willpower, not his combat strength."
Rayleigh: "It is the embodiement of the spirit of the user".
"User growing stronger" does call my interpretation into question, but on the flip side, combat strength itself is very dependant on willpower. Remember how Big Mom becomes vulnerable when distressed?
In other words, one doesn't improve Conqueror's Haki by growing stronger, but rather, one grows stronger by improving their willpower - which includes Conqueror's Haki.
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How quick you think? I would take more than a minute?
In my perspective it was a few seconds for Shanks to leave his ship and beats Kid. Kid would take a bit more than that to crush the ships. His Danmed Punk is fast from each shot and it would destroy those ships easily since he could destroy Onigashima floors while hitting Big Mom.
There is nothing about willpower on Rayleigh's statement.
Your line about Big Mom makes no sense. Big Mom being vulnerable when distressed doesn't mean her willpower decreased lol. She was just not using her haki at time.
In my perspective it was a few seconds for Shanks to leave his ship and beats Kid. Kid would take a bit more than that to crush the ships. His Danmed Punk is fast from each shot and it would destroy those ships easily since he could destroy Onigashima floors while hitting Big Mom.
There is nothing about willpower on Rayleigh's statement.
Your line about Big Mom makes no sense. Big Mom being vulnerable when distressed doesn't mean her willpower decreased lol. She was just not using her haki at time.
It was definitely few seconds for Shanks to leave his ship and beat Kid. But I'm talking about how long it would take for:
1) Kid to charge up his attack
2) Kid to release the attack
3) Attack to take the effect
Because what Shanks saw was the end point of the attack.
Look at the page:
Basically, we have enough time for:
1) Kid to start preparing the attack and Shanks to notice that
2) Shanks to give orders to his crew (several seconds)
3) Shanks and Ben to comment on the damage
4) Shanks to fly over to Kid and for Kid to notice him and comment on it
In my estimate, just the dialogue between Shanks noticing and him launching himself at Kid would take some 15 seconds at least. More like 20 - 25 seconds if they are not speedtalking. Add another couple of seconds for Shanks to reach Kid and beat him, and several more seconds that Kid will have taken to launch his attack and attack to reach the fleet had Shanks not stopped him, and it may have taken comfortably more than half a minute.
So shorter than my original estimate, but definitely more than a few seconds into the future.
On the flip side, I just noticed that Kid himself said "I'll annihilate all of you in 10 seconds", meaning that all of the above goes out of the water as we actually have a solid timeframe for how long Kid's attack will have taken to take effect. So not only is Shanks a good speed-talker but he is ridiculously fast as well. Chances are, he reached Kid in maybe one second after the end of the dialogue?
Not using her haki... because she is distressed.
1) Kid to charge up his attack
2) Kid to release the attack
3) Attack to take the effect
Because what Shanks saw was the end point of the attack.
Look at the page:
Basically, we have enough time for:
1) Kid to start preparing the attack and Shanks to notice that
2) Shanks to give orders to his crew (several seconds)
3) Shanks and Ben to comment on the damage
4) Shanks to fly over to Kid and for Kid to notice him and comment on it
In my estimate, just the dialogue between Shanks noticing and him launching himself at Kid would take some 15 seconds at least. More like 20 - 25 seconds if they are not speedtalking. Add another couple of seconds for Shanks to reach Kid and beat him, and several more seconds that Kid will have taken to launch his attack and attack to reach the fleet had Shanks not stopped him, and it may have taken comfortably more than half a minute.
So shorter than my original estimate, but definitely more than a few seconds into the future.
On the flip side, I just noticed that Kid himself said "I'll annihilate all of you in 10 seconds", meaning that all of the above goes out of the water as we actually have a solid timeframe for how long Kid's attack will have taken to take effect. So not only is Shanks a good speed-talker but he is ridiculously fast as well. Chances are, he reached Kid in maybe one second after the end of the dialogue?
Not using her haki... because she is distressed.
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It was definitely few seconds for Shanks to leave his ship and beat Kid. But I'm talking about how long it would take for:
1) Kid to charge up his attack
2) Kid to release the attack
3) Attack to take the effect
Because what Shanks saw was the end point of the attack.
Look at the page:
Basically, we have enough time for:
1) Kid to start preparing the attack and Shanks to notice that
2) Shanks to give orders to his crew (several seconds)
3) Shanks and Ben to comment on the damage
4) Shanks to fly over to Kid and for Kid to notice him and comment on it
In my estimate, just the dialogue between Shanks noticing and him launching himself at Kid would take some 15 seconds at least. More like 20 - 25 seconds if they are not speedtalking. Add another couple of seconds for Shanks to reach Kid and beat him, and several more seconds that Kid will have taken to launch his attack and attack to reach the fleet had Shanks not stopped him, and it may have taken comfortably more than half a minute.
So shorter than my original estimate, but definitely more than a few seconds into the future.
On the flip side, I just noticed that Kid himself said "I'll annihilate all of you in 10 seconds", meaning that all of the above goes out of the water as we actually have a solid timeframe for how long Kid's attack will have taken to take effect. So not only is Shanks a good speed-talker but he is ridiculously fast as well. Chances are, he reached Kid in maybe one second after the end of the dialogue?
Not using her haki... because she is distressed.
1) Kid to charge up his attack
2) Kid to release the attack
3) Attack to take the effect
Because what Shanks saw was the end point of the attack.
Look at the page:
Basically, we have enough time for:
1) Kid to start preparing the attack and Shanks to notice that
2) Shanks to give orders to his crew (several seconds)
3) Shanks and Ben to comment on the damage
4) Shanks to fly over to Kid and for Kid to notice him and comment on it
In my estimate, just the dialogue between Shanks noticing and him launching himself at Kid would take some 15 seconds at least. More like 20 - 25 seconds if they are not speedtalking. Add another couple of seconds for Shanks to reach Kid and beat him, and several more seconds that Kid will have taken to launch his attack and attack to reach the fleet had Shanks not stopped him, and it may have taken comfortably more than half a minute.
So shorter than my original estimate, but definitely more than a few seconds into the future.
On the flip side, I just noticed that Kid himself said "I'll annihilate all of you in 10 seconds", meaning that all of the above goes out of the water as we actually have a solid timeframe for how long Kid's attack will have taken to take effect. So not only is Shanks a good speed-talker but he is ridiculously fast as well. Chances are, he reached Kid in maybe one second after the end of the dialogue?
Not using her haki... because she is distressed.
We saw by Shanks's visions that the attack effects are immediately after the release.
Dude Kid's line is saying he would take 10 seconds to annihilate them. And you are headcannoing about over a minute.
In fact Big Mom does used her haki when distressed.
Are they? Fact is, we simply don't know. We see impacts on the ships, and yes, it might be immediately after release. But we simply do not know if it is.
You know, it might help if you actually read the post you are replying to:
She used conqueror's haki because she was distressed. Which proves that her Haki usage is affected by her emotional state.
Remember that the entire point of causing her distress was to make her vulnerable? Meaning that her defense is based directly on her will. And what is based around the concept of willpower? Haki.
So yes, she stopped using / had a slip in using her haki in defensive due to her distress.
You know, it might help if you actually read the post you are replying to:
She used conqueror's haki because she was distressed. Which proves that her Haki usage is affected by her emotional state.
Remember that the entire point of causing her distress was to make her vulnerable? Meaning that her defense is based directly on her will. And what is based around the concept of willpower? Haki.
So yes, she stopped using / had a slip in using her haki in defensive due to her distress.
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Here. Charging up, releasing and attack travel in just 2 pages. Big Mom couldn't even dodge it.
We already have the 10 seconds statement but you are denying for the sake of denying.
I read that but you weren't specific about what you were talking to.
She wasn't distressed when fighting Kaido yet she sky splitted with him. So she is perfectly fine with using haki without messing up her emotions.
And same time we have Big Mom being vulnerable and defending herself with haki. So what is the point? There is nothing talking about will in that Big Mom scenario it is her mind that got twisted by Madre Carmel picture being destroyed.
We already have the 10 seconds statement but you are denying for the sake of denying.
I read that but you weren't specific about what you were talking to.
She wasn't distressed when fighting Kaido yet she sky splitted with him. So she is perfectly fine with using haki without messing up her emotions.
And same time we have Big Mom being vulnerable and defending herself with haki. So what is the point? There is nothing talking about will in that Big Mom scenario it is her mind that got twisted by Madre Carmel picture being destroyed.
Luffy has always been DF-centric character while Zoro was the one with haki.
I dont know if there is anything more left from CoC, we will see.
I gave my explanation what Zoro's Asura is in Pinacle of Dreams and Manifestation of Power thread.
It will always remain Zoro's most powerful ability because it absorbs everything.
Whatever Zoro can do, he can do it in Asura too and it will be far more powerful than without Asura.
Well, I could imagine a Looney Toon pulling a knife or a shotgun out of his pockets.
I dont know if there is anything more left from CoC, we will see.
I gave my explanation what Zoro's Asura is in Pinacle of Dreams and Manifestation of Power thread.
It will always remain Zoro's most powerful ability because it absorbs everything.
Whatever Zoro can do, he can do it in Asura too and it will be far more powerful than without Asura.
Well, I could imagine a Looney Toon pulling a knife or a shotgun out of his pockets.
Here. Charging up, releasing and attack travel in just 2 pages. Big Mom couldn't even dodge it.
We already have the 10 seconds statement but you are denying for the sake of denying.
We already have the 10 seconds statement but you are denying for the sake of denying.
Uh, not my point. Of course she wasn't distressed when fighting Kaido, what I'm talking about is that her being distressed messes with her Haki.
You - X. The point - X.
You do understand that training can help both physical and mental fortitude without them necessarily being directly related?
Or to put it other way: training will improve both physical strength and haki, but that does not mean that great physical strength = great haki. Somebody can be naturally weak (e.g. Coby) yet still end up with great haki, and somebody else can have naturally extreme strength without ever developing great haki.
But because most people don't have extremes of one or another, there is correlation between great physical strength and strong haki. But correlation is not causation.
You do understand that training can help both physical and mental fortitude without them necessarily being directly related?
Or to put it other way: training will improve both physical strength and haki, but that does not mean that great physical strength = great haki. Somebody can be naturally weak (e.g. Coby) yet still end up with great haki, and somebody else can have naturally extreme strength without ever developing great haki.
But because most people don't have extremes of one or another, there is correlation between great physical strength and strong haki. But correlation is not causation.