Jujutsu Kaisen, Chapter 232: Inhuman Makyou Shinjuku Showdown, Part 10

[Light D Lamperouge]

Lol you can tag the whole forum if you want Lighto

I was just bewildered you actually said that. Had to check if I was the only one seeing this.

Let’s make it clear : as I already stated : Yeah there is maybe something in store to save Megumi. Gojo is a good guy and likes Megumi / raises him.

Good. I accept your concession. Gojo is trying to save Megumi and not kill Sukuna. Glad we agree.

But the thing is am heavily debating with you is toi creating a whole ass narrative showcasing Gojo as a god who spared Sukuna every time and could have ended his life anytime. It’s completely false and completely headcanon

I am not the one doing that. Gojo spared Sukuna in multiple instances and we are verbatim told that. I didn't say Gojo is a God. He's just stronger than Sukuna and spared Sukuna's life. If you want to complain about it do it to Gege, not me. I am not the one writing the fight.

We don’t know at all how Meguminsaving will play out all we know is Gojo is actively and completely trying yo beat Sukuna. With all he has.

We know Gojo can't kill him, which means he can't go balls to the walls crazy with everything he has, because he has to save Megumi.

You : obviously it’s a 100% proof Gojo is holding back and sparing Sukuna

Yeah that's what it means. Gojo is holding back from the kill and sparing Sukuna's life.

What I think happens : doesn’t mean at all sparing Sukuna. It just means Gojo will beat the living shit out of him. Just read the context.

That's just wrong. Because I am talking in the context that Sukuna isn't in Megumi's body. So if he doesn't have Megumi's body, Gojo can just go ahead and kill him. Which he can't do while he is in Megumi's body. Gojo has Sukuna dead to rights, the only reason he lives is because he is in Megumi's body, which Gojo is trying to save.

What you think/believe/etc doesn't matter, because we have verbal confirmation as well as physical that Gojo is trying to save Megumi and spare Sukuna's life.

Gojo punching Sukuna in the chest :
You : obviously Gojo could have ended Sukuna here but choose not too. What a guy

Yes. Because we already have an instance where Gojo CHOSE not to kill Sukuna but just wound him heavily, but not kill him.

What happens : a classic sho en shot when people aren’t erasing each other instantly and PIS. There are numerous in JJK and there are numerous in other shonen

As I said false equivalence. We have confirmation that Gojo was not trying to kill him. And that happens again.

Gojo hitting Sukuna with Red :
You : obviously Gojo could have increase Red output and destroying Sukunz right away. But he spared Sukuna because he is such a guy.

Yes he could. Because when Sukuna protected himself with DA and it only grazed him it caused a similar injury as the one that went off at him without DA. So Gojo adjusted the strength of Red to not kill him and gave him time to heal and stand up

Spoiler

You are indeed creating a full narrative that portrayal Gojo much stronger than he is and much more comfortable than he is in this fight

No, I am just interpreting the manga correctly.

 

[Enzo]

Sukunabros when Gege gives Sukuna a W:
Praise Gege-sama, best author with the most logical plot threads ever


Sukunabros when Gege gives their idolo another L (it's happening 10 chapters in a row):
The plot doesn't make sense bro, clearly

I don't consider myself as a Sukunafan. I like his design but otherwise he lacks personality and backstory to be a good shonen char.

This being said, Gege and Gege alone portrayed him as the ultimate FV of his own story. From the very first chapter.

If the manga was overall pretty good, we all awaited the final fight and expected it to be epic AF and full of tension, twists and turns.

In other words, an extreme diff fight between the two strongests ever, with Ls and Ws on both sides, stunning revelations, reversal of situations...

What did we get instead? A one sided boring/repetitive fight full of fake and useless cliffhangers. No tension at all...

If I want such kind of fights there's OPM. At least Saitama is funny, Gojo is not. He's just boringly perfect.

So one shouldn't confuse wanting an overhyped main and final antag to deliver with being the said antag wanker.

Sukuna as a char had everything to be really entertaining as Gojo's absolute opposite, but by the end he's just a flat char w/o any single consistancy/personality/goals/backstory.

Nothing. A mere random plot tool.

Can you understand that this is really frustrating for actual JJK fans?

I don't support Sukuna, and I don't want him to win, ofc not -he's the typical bad guy. But I want him to deliver and justify 200+ chapters of overhype.

I don't give a single shit about fandoms and factions. I just want an entertaining and epic story from A to Z.

To put it differently, I would have liked Sukuna to make me feel worry about Gojo and the side he's fighting for, anxious, afraid for them, making me a Gojo supporter in distress, wanting him to survive at all costs.

I wanted emotions. Fear, sadness, uncertainty, despair, anxiety, hopes, relief, joy... Everything I want to live through a good story.

But nope.

After the first 3/4 chapters fight went totally one sided. No tension at all. No emotions. Nothing. Just boringness.

I'm maybe too old for these shits, possibly. I'm near 40 now (36 actually). I probably expect too much from shonens (except OPM, which is really unique in the shonens verse as all standards have been inverted, reason why I find it so entertaining).

In short, don't mistake someone who expect an epic FV with a fantard.

I'm not.

 

[kom5]

I don't consider myself as a Sukunafan. I like his design but otherwise he lacks personality and backstory to be a good shonen char.

This being said, Gege and Gege alone portrayed him as the ultimate FV of his own story. From the very first chapter.

If the manga was overall pretty good, we all awaited the final fight and expected it to be epic AF and full of tension, twists and turns.

In other words, an extreme diff fight between the two strongests ever, with Ls and Ws on both sides, stunning revelations, reversal of situations...

What did we get instead? A one sided boring/repetitive fight full of fake and useless cliffhangers. No tension at all...

If I want such kind of fights there's OPM. At least Saitama is funny, Gojo is not. He's just boringly perfect.

So one shouldn't confuse wanting an overhyped main and final antag to deliver with being the said antag wanker.

Sukuna as a char had everything to be really entertaining as Gojo's absolute opposite, but by the end he's just a flat char w/o any single consistancy/personality/goals/backstory.

Nothing. A mere random plot tool.

Can you understand that this is really frustrating for actual JJK fans?

I don't support Sukuna, and I don't want him to win, ofc not -he's the typical bad guy. But I want him to deliver and justify 200+ chapters of overhype.

I don't give a single shit about fandoms and factions. I just want an entertaining and epic story from A to Z.

To put it differently, I would have liked Sukuna to make me feel worry about Gojo and the side he's fighting for, anxious, afraid for them, making me a Gojo supporter in distress, wanting him to survive at all costs.

I wanted emotions. Fear, sadness, uncertainty, despair, anxiety, hopes, relief, joy... Everything I want to live through a good story.

But nope.

After the first 3/4 chapters fight went totally one sided. No tension at all. No emotions. Nothing. Just boringness.

I'm maybe too old for these shits, possibly. I'm near 40 now (36 actually). I probably expect too much from shonens (except OPM, which is really unique in the shonens verse as all standards have been inverted, reason why I find it so entertaining).

In short, don't mistake someone who expect an epic FV with a fantard.

I'm not.

Idk what you did read but it was full of twist and surprises we all thought that Gojo is gonna lose we all couldn't believe he come back from 2 loses and changes the game in his favor

Then his UV hit and Sukuna was mentally disabled

The fight was far better than everything Kaido vs Luffy showed

 

[Senfret]

Idc which one wins, but it's quite obvious that Gojo won't win, unless you count saving Megumi as winning...

 

[RayanOO]

Good. I accept your concession. Gojo is trying to save Megumi and not kill Sukuna. Glad we agree.

Lol if you hadn’t skimmed my post you would have seen me saying that earlier

My little bad faith Light ❤️ wouldn’t love you otherwise

I was just bewildered you actually said that. Had to check if I was the only one seeing this.


Good. I accept your concession. Gojo is trying to save Megumi and not kill Sukuna. Glad we agree.


I am not the one doing that. Gojo spared Sukuna in multiple instances and we are verbatim told that. I didn't say Gojo is a God. He's just stronger than Sukuna and spared Sukuna's life. If you want to complain about it do it to Gege, not me. I am not the one writing the fight.


We know Gojo can't kill him, which means he can't go balls to the walls crazy with everything he has, because he has to save Megumi.


Yeah that's what it means. Gojo is holding back from the kill and sparing Sukuna's life.


That's just wrong. Because I am talking in the context that Sukuna isn't in Megumi's body. So if he doesn't have Megumi's body, Gojo can just go ahead and kill him. Which he can't do while he is in Megumi's body. Gojo has Sukuna dead to rights, the only reason he lives is because he is in Megumi's body, which Gojo is trying to save.

What you think/believe/etc doesn't matter, because we have verbal confirmation as well as physical that Gojo is trying to save Megumi and spare Sukuna's life.


Yes. Because we already have an instance where Gojo CHOSE not to kill Sukuna but just wound him heavily, but not kill him.



As I said false equivalence. We have confirmation that Gojo was not trying to kill him. And that happens again.



Yes he could. Because when Sukuna protected himself with DA and it only grazed him it caused a similar injury as the one that went off at him without DA. So Gojo adjusted the strength of Red to not kill him and gave him time to heal and stand up

Spoiler

No, I am just interpreting the manga correctly.

Once again a big fat no

You are not interpreting Gojo and co trying to save Megumi somehow rightfully at all. And you are using everything and every little detail to make it fit your way of analysing it. It doesn’t work like that. Especially when we don’t know shit about how they plan or not (if there is no plan) to save him.

The verbatim thing is incorrect and you make it fit your narrative, while Gojo never said here he wouldn’t kill Sukuna or that he would spare him.

Same for the punch.

and same for the Red.

Just see your whole argument for the Red and see how much ridiculous it is.

Gege is clearly not writing it like that. It would be stupid if Gojo had that much leeway. You’re missing the flow of the fight if you think that way.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Lol if you hadn’t skimmed my post you have saw me saying that earlier

I read your post. You said it's possible, and then changed to yeah it will happen.

You are not interpreting Gojo and co trying to save Megumi somehow rightfully at all. And you are using everything and every little detail to make it fit your way of analysing it. It doesn’t work like that.

The verbatim thing is incorrect and you make it fit your narrative, while Gojo never said here he wouldn’t kill Sukuna or that he would spare him.

Same for the punch.

and same for the Red.

Just see your whole argument for the Red and see how much ridiculous it is.

Gege is clearly not writing it like that. It would be stupid if Gojo had that much leeway. You’re missing the flow of the fight if you think that way.

I accept your concession Rayan. It is what it is. What you believe/think/would have liked to see doesn't matter. I am talking about facts not feelings. Everything I said is factual and backed up by the manga and panels and statements. You're going off of your own headcanon. I don't feel like reposting the entire comment when I've already countered every point you tried to make.

 

[L57]

I read your post. You said it's possible, and then changed to yeah it will happen.


I accept your concession Rayan. It is what it is. What you believe/think/would have liked to see doesn't matter. I am talking about facts not feelings. Everything I said is factual and backed up by the manga and panels and statements. You're going off of your own headcanon. I don't feel like reposting the entire comment when I've already countered every point you tried to make.

Well sukuna couldve destroyed the domain from inside with easy as gojo said
He held back to much
Plot armor is on gojo's side

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Well sukuna couldve destroyed the domain from inside with easy as gojo said
He held back to much
Plot armor is for gojo

I've already countered that 'argument' on discord when you tried it earlier. Don't waste my time.

 

[L57]

I've already countered that 'argument' on discord when you tried it earlier. Don't waste my time.

No arguments

 

[RayanOO]

I accept your concession Rayan

Lol saying this doesn’t make you win any debate

It is what it is. What you believe/think/would have liked to see doesn't matter. I am talking about facts not feelings. Everything I said is factual and backed up by the manga and panels and statements. You're going off of your own headcanon. I don't feel like reposting the entire comment when I've already countered every point you tried to make.

It is not what I believe it is what you wrongly interpret from the manga. And it’s quite clear that you are exaggerating stuff big time to suit your narrative.

You’re talking about facts and proof and I am seeing none. It’s only your interpretation of things that happened.

You did claim things but I don’t think you countered anything here.

 

[L57]

Lol saying this doesn’t make you win any debate



It is not what I believe it is what you wrongly interpret from the manga. And it’s quite clear that you are exaggerating stuff big time to suit your narrative.

You’re talking about facts and proof and I am seeing none. It’s only your interpretation of things that happened.

You did claim things but I don’t think you countered anything here.

Open gonna neg fraudjo

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Lol saying this doesn’t make you win any debate

It doesn't. Never said it did. I just said I accept your concession.

t is not what I believe it is what you wrongly interpret from the manga. And it’s quite clear that you are exaggerating stuff big time to suit your narrative.

You’re talking about facts and proof and I am seeing none. It’s only your interpretation of things that happened.

You did claim things but I don’t think you countered anything here.

Again, what you believe/think/wish for is not important here. Every argument you tried to make was I think this is, I believe this is. Like I said, I am dealing with facts, you with feelings. Not the same. What I am saying is backed up by the manga. There are no exaggerations. What you are saying is backed up by nothing but your preconceived notions of Sukuna being a God that can obliterate Gojo easily that you can't let go off. You were wrong, got an L. No biggie. It happens. Take it and move on. The more you try to squirm the worse it looks. I told yall 4 years ago, Gojo is stronger. Gege told you. You chose not to believe it. I can't help you anymore with that then.

There is no other interpretation to I will put you close to death than he will not kill him.

There is no other interpretation to I will destroy this or that than him destroying this or that. But not the thing that can kill him.

I countered every 'argument' you've tried to make lol. You don't really have an argument tbh, I am just calling them that for simplicity's sake.

 

[notAfanboy]

It all boils down to whether current Gojo is > Sukuna (20F + 10S) or not.

Gojo is clearly stronger with his infinity and limitless.
We have seen it multiple times how Sukuna was left clueless from Gojo's attacks.

So, yeah, I agree with Light. Gojo himself said he is holding back. He did this against Jogo too.
It reminded me of Sukuna fans saying Gojo will get surprised like Jogo in Shibuya.

But what happened? Gojo is treating Sukuna the same way he treated Jogo!

While Sukuna acknowledged Jogo is strong, Gojo said you are weak.

Everything Sukuna fans said or hyped, is coming back to bite them. Ngl, I would be on cope too if it happened to my fav character

Light's thread is best for reference. Dont have time to go into details, but Gojo is the clear winner so far.
It is insane if you take Mahoraga's interference into account, it makes the fight a 1v2!

 

[RayanOO]

, I am dealing with facts,

You can’t say that with a straight face and the next second say that Gojo made his Red weaker to spare Sukuna

Lmao you don’t have any fact to say this, just a big fat wank
And it’s insane narratively wise. The manga never said that or portrayed it that way.

Same with the punch : it’s only you interpreting this as Gojo sparring Sukuna. You have no panel or quote or fact to bring.

All you have is that « verbatim » that never meant to tell us that Gojo wouldn’t kill him and just beat the shit out of him. You just choose to interpret it that way and go with it to color everything else.

And frankly I couldn’t care less to be wrong or not or how I looks here

 

[notAfanboy]

You can’t say that with a straight face and the next second say that Gojo made his Red weaker to spare Sukuna

Lmao you don’t have any fact to say this, just a big fat wank
And it’s insane narratively wise. The manga never said that or portrayed it that way.

Same with the punch : it’s only you interpreting this as Gojo sparring Sukuna. You have no panel or quote or fact to bring.

All you have is that « verbatim » that never meant to tell us that Gojo wouldn’t kill him and just beat the shit out of him. You just choose to interpret it that way and go with it to color everything else.

And frankly I couldn’t care less to be wrong or not or how I looks here

If Gojo didnt go for the kill when he had the chance, he would not go for it again (last chapter).
That's why Light is saying it is the same scenario.

If you use Gojo's statement when he said I will put him closer to death than Yuji Itadori, it meant that he wont take his head off.

Same here, Gojo caught Sukuna offguard, but didnt attack his head.
Or we can say, Sukuna is barely kept alive with the help of Mahoraga. If it was not for Mahoraga, Gojo would have won the fight already.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

You can’t say that with a straight face and the next second say that Gojo made his Red weaker to spare Sukuna

So wait you think Sukuna took a Red to the face unprotected and took a Red protected with DA, while the Red was supposed to go to the back, and came out with the same injury? So how does that work then? Unless one was weaker.

Lmao you don’t have any fact to say this, just a big fat wank
And it’s insane narratively wise. The manga never said that or portrayed it that way.

Just check above.

Same with the punch : it’s only you interpreting this as Gojo sparring Sukuna. You have no panel or quote or fact to bring.

I do and it's above. Like I said we KNOW Gojo decided to spare Sukuna and not kill him.

All you have is that « verbatim » that never meant to tell us that Gojo wouldn’t kill him and just beat the shit out of him. You just choose to interpret it that way and go with it to color everything else.

No, that's just your wrong interpretation. Again why wouldn't Gojo kill Sukuna lmao? Except for Megumi's body duh. Gojo had him dead to rights, stunned and defenseless. Blowing his head off kills him. But Gojo decided not to. Because Sukuna is in Megumi's body. Ergo, if Sukuna wasn't in Megumi's body Gojo would be free to kill him.

And frankly I couldn’t care less to be wrong or not or how I looks here

Alrighty br0 lmao. I just told you you were wrong, and are wrong now again. That's all there is to it.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

If Gojo didnt go for the kill when he had the chance, he would not go for it again (last chapter).
That's why Light is saying it is the same scenario.

If you use Gojo's statement when he said I will put him closer to death than Yuji Itadori, it meant that he wont take his head off.

Same here, Gojo caught Sukuna offguard, but didnt attack his head.
Or we can say, Sukuna is barely kept alive with the help of Mahoraga. If it was not for Mahoraga, Gojo would have won the fight already.

He knows what I am saying, he just doesn't wanna accept reality because it shatters his headcanon about how Sukuna is so much stronger than Gojo.

 

[notAfanboy]

He knows what I am saying, he just doesn't wanna accept reality because it shatters his headcanon about how Sukuna is so much stronger than Gojo.

He is under Patheos' influence.
Have to admire the fact that they never abandon their favorites. Panth with Kid, Rayan with Enji/MHA and Sukuna. Unlike some other Sukuna fans... @L57 @EmperorKinyagi

 

[Enzo]

Idk what you did read but it was full of twist and surprises we all thought that Gojo is gonna lose we all couldn't believe he come back from 2 loses and changes the game in his favor

Then his UV hit and Sukuna was mentally disabled

The fight was far better than everything Kaido vs Luffy showed

Comparing JJK to OP are we?

Lul.

Now I'm glad you enjoyed it.

I didn't. And I explained why.

 

[L57]

He is under Patheos' influence.
Have to admire the fact that they never abandon their favorites. Panth with Kid, Rayan with Enji/MHA and Sukuna. Unlike some other Sukuna fans... @L57 @EmperorKinyagi

?? Who said i dropped sukuna?
He gonna cook fraudjo