Controversial General Political Discussion

Logiko

Logiko

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notAfanboy said:
Good question and it brings us to common human instincts.

These are seeking, anger, fear, panic-grief, care, pleasure/lust and play.

Homosexuality falls under the pleasure/lust.

Better question would be; Why can we express only certain instincts?
Strong instincts become desires. Like;

- Instinctive desire to engage in homosexuality.

There are also instinctive desire like:

- To be a mass shooter

Who decides which instictive desire is good or bad?

Well, it brings back to the original question, the "purpose".
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You are getting my point.

Now please answer how it will not lead to extinction?

If you are smart, you will get the answer; and bring you back to my original question; What's the purpose of sex organs?
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Very simple:

Two things:

- Homosexuality % is not even important enough to regulate our species right now that is (btw) getting a little bit too crowded.
- Homosexual people are like me and you. Some want children. So by giving them access to PMA and GPA you end up doing the same work nature is doing with a heterosexual couple. So no problem of extinction.

Extinction is a false excuse to prevent people from being happy
 
NAMELESS

NAMELESS

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notAfanboy said:
Good question and it brings us to common human instincts.

These are seeking, anger, fear, panic-grief, care, pleasure/lust and play.

Homosexuality falls under the pleasure/lust.

Better question would be; Why can we express only certain instincts?
Strong instincts become desires. Like;

- Instinctive desire to engage in homosexuality.

There are also instinctive desire like:

- To be a mass shooter

Who decides which instictive desire is good or bad?

Well, it brings back to the original question, the "purpose".
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You are getting my point.

Now please answer how it will not lead to extinction?

If you are smart, you will get the answer; and bring you back to my original question; What's the purpose of sex organs?
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guns are a recent thing.therefore it isnt a natural instinct to shoot things,but violence is.you get what i mean.
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Logiko said:
Very simple:

Two things:

- Homosexuality % is not even important enough to regulate our species right now that is (btw) getting a little bit too crowded.
- Homosexual people are like me and you. Some want children. So by giving them access to PMA and GPA you end up doing the same work nature is doing with a heterosexual couple. So no problem of extinction.

Extinction is a false excuse to prevent people from being happy
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I looked up somewhere and 20% of the youth of some western nation is now lgbtq.How is that normal?This never happened in recent history.Sexuality is plastic and be messed with.
 
AL sama

AL sama

The Wise Wolf
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notAfanboy said:
The One who gave those instincts also gave guidelines.

If you are going to use a product, you need to read the manual given by the Creator.

If you refuse to read manual, and use the product however you want, the blame is not on the Creator.

For example, you have an oven.
In theory, you can put everything in it for the purpose of heating/cooking.

But the manual serves as a guide to what you can use it for without risking your or product's safety.
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you didn't answer the why part
NAMELESS said:
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Diseases natural?no,it is not the natural state of the body to be sick.
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so diseases are man made??
 
Logiko

Logiko

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NAMELESS said:
guns are a recent thing.therefore it isnt a natural instinct to shoot things,but violence is.you get what i mean.
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I looked up somewhere and 20% of the youth of some western nation is now lgbtq.How is that normal?This never happened in recent history.Sexuality is plastic and be messed with.
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LGBTQ+ is not just homosexuality and sexuality its:
- ALL homosexual people Women, men and non binary
- ALL Bisexual people, men, non binary and women
- ALL Transpeople women and men
- ALL Queer people men, women and non binary
- ALL intersex
- ALL asexual, men women and non binary

THat's a LOT of people mate. Its logical. Why do you think I fight so much for more respect for LGBTQ+ ?


NAMELESS said:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DNKZXfvM7Sk
i'm yet to see one woke individual who is smart
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I'm woke and I'm smart :) Well except when its 8 am with no sleep, in that case I'm completely dumb
 
NAMELESS

NAMELESS

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AL sama said:
you didn't answer the why part

so diseases are man made??
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Diseases are a part of the natural world,but no.Its is not "natural" for humans to be sick,but its normal/common.natural=nature=the essence of things.You are not born with sickness in your essence.If it were so it wouldnt be called sickness/disease,but nature.
 
notAfanboy

notAfanboy

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Logiko said:
Very simple:

Two things:

- Homosexuality % is not even important enough to regulate our species right now that is (btw) getting a little bit too crowded.
- Homosexual people are like me and you. Some want children. So by giving them access to PMA and GPA you end up doing the same work nature is doing with a heterosexual couple. So no problem of extinction.

Extinction is a false excuse to prevent people from being happy
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Gotcha!
That's what I meant when I mentioned the natural purpose of sex organe.

You got the answer; assisted reproduction.

Lets assume you can do that, but it still relies on the "natural purpose of sex organs".

So, yeah, homosexuality is not natural in terms of reproduction. But you can instictive deisres to engage in homosexuality are somewhat natural.
And here is the difference, religious people like me think one must not submit their will to desires.
Your desires must be directed to the natural purpose; in this case natural reproduction.

Lets say homosexuality is quasi natural, if it is the right term.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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notAfanboy said:
So, yeah, homosexuality is not natural in terms of reproduction
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This sentence has no scientific meaning. There is no such thing as "non natural in term of reproduction"

Homosexuality IS natural and yes if you want kid you need adoption, PMA or GPA but its still natural
notAfanboy said:
to the natural purpose;
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Again, there is NO SUCH THING as natural purpose. There is NO intent in nature or evolution.
 
notAfanboy

notAfanboy

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AL sama said:
you didn't answer the why part

so diseases are man made??
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What can I say? They exist, yes.
But so do the guns; why there are regulations for guns?

The answer is in "purpose" of that product.

You have no problem in using the product, or following your desires, but have issues with how that certain behavior is regulated?

Or you question; Why is there any need for regulations?
 
AL sama

AL sama

The Wise Wolf
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NAMELESS said:
Diseases are a part of the natural world,but no.Its is not "natural" for humans to be sick,but its normal/common.natural=nature=the essence of things.You are not born with sickness in your essence.If it were so it wouldnt be called sickness/disease,but nature.
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part of the natural world but not natural

ok lol I won't be arguing with you about this anymore
 
AL sama

AL sama

The Wise Wolf
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notAfanboy said:
What can I say? They exist, yes.
But so do the guns; why there are regulations for guns?

The answer is in "purpose" of that product.

You have no problem in using the product, or following your desires, but have issues with how that certain behavior is regulated?

Or you question; Why is there any need for regulations?
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guns are man made while those instincts are natural

see you said it yourself those instincts have no purpose yet they exist

or do you think our instincts are not given by the almighty??
 
Reborn

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
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Many of you are quite religious so it's clear you believe God exist.


So, do you guys also believe ghosts exist? Or is it that only God exist but ghosts can't?
 
NAMELESS

NAMELESS

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AL sama said:
guns are man made while those instincts are natural

see you said it yourself those instincts have no purpose yet they exist

or do you think our instincts are given by the almighty??
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Arent they defense mechanisms to threats?
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Reborn said:
Many of you are quite religious so it's clear you believe God exist.


So, do you guys also believe ghosts exist? Or is it that only God exist but ghosts can't?
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they do
 
notAfanboy

notAfanboy

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Logiko said:
This sentence has no scientific meaning. There is no such thing as "non natural in term of reproduction"

Homosexuality IS natural and yes if you want kid you need adoption, PMA or GPA but its still natural

Again, there is NO SUCH THING as natural purpose. There is NO intent in nature or evolution.
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This is where you are wrong.
The purpose of sex organs is reproduction.
You answered it by saying; PMA or GPA. It brings back you to their natural purpose 🙂

One can satisfy their lust or seek pleasure by calling their desires/instincts "natural", but they lose when they engage in activities which had different purpose.

While I agree instincts are natural, but this is where humans must use their brain and decide; was certain activity intended for this purpose?

Saying you can rely on PMA or GPA is like;

You have two guns;

1) Real gun with a metal bullet
2) Gun but with plastic bullet

You want to shoot a target. You ask your friend with real gun to shoot at the same time as you shoot a plastic bullet.

It will give you the feel that you actually shot and hit the target, but it is your friend who did that. Not your water gun.
You fulfilled your instinctive desire to shoot and you got the desired end result.

But, why you must use a gun with plastic bullet?
For what purpose? To feel happy?
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Reborn said:
Many of you are quite religious so it's clear you believe God exist.


So, do you guys also believe ghosts exist? Or is it that only God exist but ghosts can't?
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Ghosts exist.
It is mentioned in Quran.
 
NAMELESS

NAMELESS

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Logiko said:
This sentence has no scientific meaning. There is no such thing as "non natural in term of reproduction"

Homosexuality IS natural and yes if you want kid you need adoption, PMA or GPA but its still natural

Again, there is NO SUCH THING as natural purpose. There is NO intent in nature or evolution.
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we usually evolve to adapt to the environment according to the Darwinian logic,so the purpose is survival.
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Reborn said:
Many of you are quite religious so it's clear you believe God exist.


So, do you guys also believe ghosts exist? Or is it that only God exist but ghosts can't?
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and i can see one right there with his hands on your shoulder.watch out.
 
notAfanboy

notAfanboy

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AL sama said:
guns are man made while those instincts are natural

see you said it yourself those instincts have no purpose yet they exist

or do you think our instincts are given by the almighty??
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No, I said instincts exist, but you must follow the user manual.

You say Allah created the instincts, but refuse to believe how He "regulated" the use of those instincts.

Not my problem, to say the least. It is upto you to figure this out.
 
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