Controversial General Political Discussion

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We all will suffer


Even a more aggressive culture war coming due to America spreading it to the rest of the world

 

[Mathias]

I was talking about motivation and a specific illness. Will power is something that doesn't exist (at least for most materialist leftist like me)

Bipolar people experience lack of motivation too.

are you one of those guys that believe chronic mental illness is incurable?

Treatments and whatnot are no cures

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Treatments and whatnot are no cures

Yes ,and?

 

[Mathias]

Yes ,and?

Only treatments exist for certain mental-illnesses. Unlike what you said, they ARE incurable.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Only treatments exist for certain mental-illnesses. Unlike what you said, they ARE incurable.

Nope, this is a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Logiko]

are you one of those guys that believe chronic mental illness is incurable?

No, Well.. I'm not a doctor but I'm sure some chronic mental illness are curable. But for that we need a treatment and help.

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Bipolar people experience lack of motivation too.

Oh ok. Didn't know that.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

How did the topic derail like that?

 

[Mathias]

Guys here really believe that every sickness is curable. What a wonderful world we live in, right ?

 

[Logiko]

How did the topic derail like that?

We are still on the topic.

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Guys here really believe that every sickness is curable. What a wonderful world we live in, right ?

I said some, and even then, I'm not a doctor, I'm sure I can be wrong on that.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Guys here really believe that every sickness is curable. What a wonderful world we live in, right ?

Nobody said that.

Will power is something that doesn't exist

Just be more direct about it. Say "I have no willpower" and we understand it

 

[Logiko]

Nobody said that.

Just be more direct about it. Say "I have no willpower" and we understand it

No I have no motivation yes, but willpower is different. Willpower stands on the principle that you can overcome things that you should not be able to by the simple sheer will of your spirit. This is not scientific and not real. But yes, motivation do exist.

In fact the example of Churchill is interesting because yes, he might have had a mental illness that was preventing his motivation, but he was in a state of inertia toward progress meaning that he was creating motivation as long as he kept that inertia. For some people, there is no motivation but also no inertia, therefore no possibility of advancing toward progress.Hence why they need help, treatment, guidance and someone that push them forward.

Ps: who's birthday is it today ?

 

[Mathias]

Nobody said that.

You called incurable sicknesses a "self fulfilling prophecy".

I said some, and even then, I'm not a doctor, I'm sure I can be wrong on that.

There are people with whom treatments do not work.

And people who take treatments may stop their treatments for various reasons. This usually results in a "relapse". Which means they were never "cured". This is why some sicknesses have a "lifetime treatment"

 

[Logiko]

You called incurable sicknesses a "self fulfilling prophecy".



There are people with whom treatments do not work.

And people who take treatments may stop their treatments for various reasons. This usually results in a "relapse". Which means they were never "cured". This is why some sicknesses have a "lifetime treatment"

Indeed

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Willpower stands on the principle that you can overcome things that you should not be able to by the simple sheer will of your spirit.

Willpower plays an important factor but of course other factors are necessary to overcome odds.

You called incurable sicknesses a "self fulfilling prophecy".

I may have been unspecific. I did not call every incurable illness that. Please read my post again.
I was referring to people with mental illness who identify with their illness and consider it an inseparable part of their personality. This mindset prevents healing.

 

[Mathias]

In fact the example of Churchill is interesting because yes, he might have had a mental illness that was preventing his motivation, but he was in a state of inertia toward progress meaning that he was creating motivation as long as he kept that inertia. For some people, there is no motivation but also no inertia, therefore no possibility of advancing toward progress.Hence why they need help, treatment, guidance and someone that push them forward.

What do you mean by inertia or "state of inertia" exactly ?

But yes, every mental-illness are not the same because of their variety and the difference among the people who experience those illnesses. That's why doctors talk about a spectrum.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

@Logiko

What do you mean by inertia or "state of inertia" exactly ?

I don't understand it either . Just use the French word

 

[Logiko]

What do you mean by inertia or "state of inertia" exactly ?

But yes, every mental-illness are not the same because of their variety and the difference among the people who experience those illnesses. That's why doctors talk about a spectrum.

- A person with no inrtia is someone like me, no motivation and stuck at home with no motivation, in the incapacity of doing anything relevant beside surfing on the internet.
- A person with inertia is someone like Churchill, perhaps a lack of motivation but in a state of life where the environment, the social interactions, the job, the hobby acts as a motor for the person and therefore create enough motivation to keep them going, sometime without any help.

"Inertia" is exactly that, a state where you are already put into motion and you keep going because there is enough "push" around you to do that.

Sadly when you are not in that state, you can only hope that a treatment and someone will help to push you forward.

Let's take the example of a boat sailing at sea:

- Having inertia means that you can lack wind (motivation) but still be able to move
- Not having inertia means that there is no wind and the boat is not into motion meaning that you can't go forward.

The entire point of healing is to give back the inertia to the patient.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

erhaps a lack of motivation but in a state of life where the environment, the social interactions, the job, the hobby acts as a motor for the person and therefore create enough motivation to keep them going, sometime without any help.

You kinda contradicting yourself here

 

[Mathias]

social interactions

I don't know enough about his biography. I just know about his black dog.

You kinda contradicting yourself here

I think he's trying to say that mentally -ill people with a great surrounding have more chances to get through life successfully than other mentally-ill people.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I think he's trying to say that mentally -ill people with a great surrounding have more chances to get through life successfully than other mentally-ill people.

diesn't this apply to every person? when surroundings are favourable everything is easier