Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

There’s a solid 4 contemporary sources accounting of Jesus within 50 years of his death

Lets not forget what the apostles themselves wrote about Jesus.I dont think they were talking about a ghost LOL

 

[Roo]

Can you show the records

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate

Sources on Pontius Pilate are limited, although modern scholars know more about him than about other Roman governors of Judaea.[11] The most important sources are the Embassy to Gaius (after the year 41) by contemporary Jewish writer Philo of Alexandria,[12] the Jewish Wars (c. 74) and Antiquities of the Jews (c. 94) by the Jewish historian Josephus, as well as the four canonical Christian Gospels, Mark (composed between 66–70), Luke (composed between 85–90), Matthew (composed between 85–90), and John (composed between 90–110);[11] he is also mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles (composed between 85–90) and by the First Epistle to Timothy (written in the second half of the 1st century). Ignatius of Antioch mentions him in his epistles to the Trallians, Magnesians, and Smyrnaeans[13] (composed between 105–110 AD).[14] He is also briefly mentioned in Annals of the Roman historian Tacitus (early 2nd century AD), who simply says that he put Jesus to death.[11] Two additional chapters of Tacitus's Annals that might have mentioned Pilate have been lost.[15] Besides these texts, dated coins in the name of emperor Tiberius minted during Pilate's governorship have survived, as well as a fragmentary short inscription that names Pilate, known as the Pilate Stone, the only inscription about a Roman governor of Judaea predating the Roman-Jewish Wars to survive.[16][17][18] The written sources provide only limited information and each has its own biases, with the gospels in particular providing a theological rather than historical perspective on Pilate.[19]

Pontius Pilate is undoubtedly a real figure. A Roman Governor can't be created out of thin air.

 

[NAMELESS]

what are you smoking

The electoral college voted trump in states he won, are you saying they will vote against their party? not gonna happen
he ain't gonna win because women will vote democrat in droves because of the abortion stuff (this is the main reason imo) we will see a similar 300-230 results for Biden like in 2020

You are assuming Biden wont have a stroke,heart attack or die from diarrhea in a few weeks or months.That guy is senile as fuck.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

He will run and he will win

 

[Zenos7]

literally no scholars take the "jesus myth" theory seriously.

Eh, its a fringe view but the historical evidence for jesus isnt all that great.

Maybe his point was the historicity of the bible stories?

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Kinda hard to pretend a fake man existed only 20 years after his supposed death

Considering the new cult that arised, not really.

And isnt one of those just a throwaway comment when talking about jesus brother?

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The earliest gospel was probably written within that time frame.

Mind you most scholars agree the gospels were likely oral tradition. Meaning it is kinda wild to make oral tradition about a man who didn't exist not even 1 lifetime removed from his execution

Scholars also assume a Q and M source without any indication whatsoever.

Issue is vast majority of scholars have inherent bias because they adhere to the religion at hand. Even if all the evidence would suggest that jesus didnt actually exist, that wouldnt be their opinion anyway.

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Education is not science
cause social science is not real science

Real science is study of the natural world

and that is the facts
and no reality denying liberal like yourself can change that

Reality being that your wrong and no amount of belief in your cult will change that

What are the sciences studying people and societies?

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Jesus aint real, we dont have any dna of him but we can find dna of fucking nethderthals despite nethderthals being older logically

Fossilization is a rare occurence mind you.

Jesus likely existed

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Jesus is a character known solely from a mythlogy

Jesus as a person could have existed disconnected from the mythical bible stories.

Jesus likely existing doesnt mean the bible stories are true lol.

 

[Adam 🍎]

which do you pick?

 

[Zenos7]

what the apostles themselves wrote about Jesus.

We have no sources from the apostles.

 

[Midnight Delight]

which do you pick?

Autism

 

[Roo]

Maybe his point was the historicity of the bible stories?

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It's not, look at his retarded post "show me dna proof"

Considering the new cult that arised, not really.

yes really. You don't create a man out thin air in 20 years from his execution. There's also people like his brother who Paul attest to meeting and Josephus mentions. His stories were likely the legend, but the fact that his death was recent his legends had to be based on someone or else it wouldn't gain that much traction.

And isnt one of those just a throwaway comment when talking about jesus brother?

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the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James.

Yes, that is still a reference of Jesus thought. Josephus had no reason to include his name there if it was just a myth. Remember Josephus was a Roman and Jewish scholar. He likely had no sympathy for early Christians.

Scholars also assume a Q and M source without any indication whatsoever.

Issue is vast majority of scholars have inherent bias because they adhere to the religion at hand. Even if all the evidence would suggest that jesus didnt actually exist, that wouldnt be their opinion anyway.

This is assuming the only people who study this are just christians looking to support their bias. Biblical and Historical scholars range from atheist to many religions, and the consensus rest with Jesus being a historical figure.

 

[Zenos7]

yes really. You don't create a man out thin air in 20 years from his execution. There's also people like his brother who Paul attest to meeting and Josephus mentions. His stories were likely the legend, but the fact that his death was recent his legends had to be based on someone or else it wouldn't gain that much traction.

You know, if he doesnt exist, the "20 years from his execution" is beyond irrelevant lmao. Cult could have been in the makings for much longer without jesus existing.

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Yes, that is still a reference of Jesus thought. Josephus had no reason to include his name there if it was just a myth. Remember Josephus was a Roman and Jewish scholar. He likely had no sympathy for early christians

How would he know its a myth though? He had to take the new cults words at face value about this shit

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This is assuming the only people who study this are just christians looking to support their bias. Biblical and Historical scholars range from atheist to many religions, and the consensus rest with Jesus being a historical figure.

Uhm no, i said vast majority, not all of them.

Im well aware that its not only christians

 

[Ravagerblade]

This society is going to shit because of fucking idiots like these Ladies and etc and all their loser ilk.

 

[JohnnyBme]

You are assuming Biden wont have a stroke,heart attack or die from diarrhea in a few weeks or months.That guy is senile as fuck.

I do, the memes are a bit overblown.
look at mitch mcconnell and dianne feinstein those 2 zombies are still clinging and Biden is much better than them

 

[Roo]

You know, if he doesnt exist, the "20 years from his execution" is beyond irrelevant lmao. Cult could have been in the makings for much longer without jesus existing.

My point is it would've been really hard to create a character in the area where many of the people who lived there were alive when he was alive. People susceptible to cults or religion aren't retards.

And Jesus was a jewish man, likely from the "mysticism" sect post Book of Daniel/Enoch. The "cult" he was and many early christians were part of was just Judaism lol

 

[NikaInParis]

LMAO

Find me DNA of Alexander the Great then.

He once told me you can't prove anyone before the invention of photography even existed

Because there are no photos of them

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

Come on , even atheists/non-religious historians and scholars accept Jesus as real person. Of course they don’t accept Bible stories but they accept Jesus as real person.
‘’Jesus mythi is big thing in 2000s internet but no one seriously argue for it nowadays .

 

[Zenos7]

My point is it would've been really hard to create a character in the area where many of the people who lived there were alive when he was alive. People susceptible to cults or religion aren't retards.

And Jesus was a jewish man, likely from the "mysticism" sect post Book of Daniel/Enoch. The "cult" he was and many early christians were part of was just Judaism lol

its not "just judaism". its clearly a new movement, even if it is within judaism. not like there werent other sects as well, like the essenes for example. but no one would describe the essens as being part of "just judaism".

that would be like saying all the denominations of christianity now are "just christianity". complete lack of nuance.

 

[Roo]

its not "just judaism". its clearly a new movement, even if it is within judaism. not like there werent other sects as well, like the essenes for example. but no one would describe the essens as being part of "just judaism".

that would be like saying all the denominations of christianity now are "just christianity". complete lack of nuance.

You don't call orthodox Christians or Protestants a separate cult. The "Christians" really just became a thing post Jesus's death

edit: for example here's John The Baptist, another apocalyptic preacher was described

Now some of the Jews thought that the destruction of Herod's [Antipas's] army came from God, and that very justly, as a punishment of what he did against John, that was called the Baptist: for Herod slew him, who was a good man, and commanded the Jews to exercise virtue, both as to righteousness towards one another, and piety towards God, and so to come to baptism; for that the washing [with water] would be acceptable to him, if they made use of it, not in order to the putting away [or the remission] of some sins [only], but for the purification of the body; supposing still that the soul was thoroughly purified beforehand by righteousness. Now when [many] others came in crowds about him, for they were very greatly moved [or pleased] by hearing his words, Herod, who feared lest the great influence John had over the people might put it into his power and inclination to raise a rebellion, (for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise,) thought it best, by putting him to death, to prevent any mischief he might cause, and not bring himself into difficulties, by sparing a man who might make him repent of it when it would be too late. Accordingly he was sent a prisoner, out of Herod's suspicious temper, to Macherus, the castle I before mentioned, and was there put to death. Now the Jews had an opinion that the destruction of this army was sent as a punishment upon Herod, and a mark of God's displeasure to him.

There really wasn't a distinction to the people that these preachers were part of different "cults" back in those days

 

[Zenos7]

Come on , even atheists/non-religious historians and scholars accept Jesus as real person. Of course they don’t accept Bible stories but they accept Jesus as real person.
‘’Jesus mythi is big thing in 2000s internet but no one seriously argue for it nowadays .

if by "accept jesus as a real person" you mean their opinion is that he most likely existed, then sure.

in bible studies there is a distinction of real, historical and kerygmatic jesus.

with kerygmatic jesus being the jesus of the bible with all the theological aspects, the historical jesus basically being a version of the biblical jesus or stories about him that are historically tenable, and the real jesus being some mofo maybe called yeshua or along those lines living around that time and being a figure of a new political/theological movement.

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You don't call orthodox Christians or Protestants a separate cult. The "Christians" really just became a thing post Jesus's death

ye we call them denominations or sects generally. point still stands tho

 

[Reborn]

 

[Bob74h]

The electoral college voted trump in states he won, are you saying they will vote against their party? not gonna happen

that was because Hilary wanted a no fly policy which would of caused war with russia

it's due to the situation not cause they ever wanted to vote right

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which do you pick?

alot of the beliefs here can mesh together
socialism just being communism as a example

and to answer the question, I would say im closest to centrist