Character Discussion Katakuri Doesn’t Deserve CoC

Who Deserve CoC More?


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#81
It just seems a tad silly to claim that every conquerors user is from a lineage of conquerors users like Kid, Mihawk, Zoro, Don Chinjaou, Kaido, Shanks, etc. Like have we seen a single case of someone being barred or told that it is something you are born with? Not just an extremely rare skill to have, like a devil fruit but will based?

Again Katakuri is the exception. The rest of BMs kids don't have haki. If anything it proves it isnt BMs genes that make her kids so strong.
its no guarantee because a parent had it a child will, but the odds seem far greater . ivankov implied luffy having it was further proof of his relationship tp dragon.
Not everyone is from a lineage
but some are
and some arent . in either case you are simply born with it .
 
#83
:myman:
Top tiers now are just Luffy 2.0 or katakuri 2.0 or evil version of Luffy :
Katakuri --> Luffy (fs and ryuo)
Oden --> freak version of katakuri/Luffy
Kaido --> Yonko version of katakuri (...we've shown many similarities and parallels between the two already). He's just more physical.
Kizaru --> Admiral version of katakuri : all around fighter who's skilled at everything: sniping, using a weapon, df & haki mastery, brawling and kicking.
Garling --> Celestial dragon version of katakuri
:myman:
 
#85
I think Chinjao wasn't "Oda hyping up an opponent", especially since he wasn't a serious enough threat to need G4. I actualliy think its a common example of someone who "earned" some CoC despite having shown NO aptitude/lineage.

CoC requires not technique or physical power, its not a muscle. It requires inner strength and balls of steel and is tested/trained by fighting with other people who have that inner strength.
 
#87
its no guarantee because a parent had it a child will, but the odds seem far greater . ivankov implied luffy having it was further proof of his relationship tp dragon.
Not everyone is from a lineage
but some are
and some arent . in either case you are simply born with it .
Specifically for Ivankovs statement, it would be perfectly reasonable to assume one of two things 1. Lineage is a big factor (maybe only) 2. Being the son of the most wanted man in the world and raised by a brute like Garp, would raise you to be tough as nails with a chip on your shoulder (which seem to be requirements for a CoC user)
 
#88
He's the kidd of old generation a one shot material for acoc user
kidd didnt just get one shot by an "acoc user"
but by a yonko , the only person alive kaido( the strongest) thought was capable of fighting him


theres a difference between shanks and most acoc users. yamato is an acoc user, so is zoro, neither of whom I would put in the realm of shanks
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Specifically for Ivankovs statement, it would be perfectly reasonable to assume one of two things 1. Lineage is a big factor (maybe only) 2. Being the son of the most wanted man in the world and raised by a brute like Garp, would raise you to be tough as nails.
i think thats fair but the one part thats inarguable is the fact that you are born with it

its as they say a sign of a "natural born king"
when luffy showed it in mf
garp confirmed he always knew he was born with it.
 
#89
kidd didnt just get one shot by an acoc user
but by a yonko , the only person alive kaido( the strongest) thought was capable of fighting him


theres a difference between shanks and most acoc users.
Well yeah there's gap between acoc user like yamato and compared to shanks acoc, but in general acoc swordsman is just that op with its lethality, zoro and oden obviously could one shot kidd too
 
#90
kidd didnt just get one shot by an "acoc user"
but by a yonko , the only person alive kaido( the strongest) thought was capable of fighting him


theres a difference between shanks and most acoc users. yamato is an acoc user, so is zoro, neither of whom I would put in the realm of shanks
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i think thats fair but the one part thats inarguable is the fact that you are born with it

its as they say a sign of a "natural born king"
when luffy showed it in mf
garp confirmed he always knew he was born with it.
They only know one Haki user that is Boa Hancock, I kind of doubt they know much (if anything) about it. If their royalty has it, I imagine they see it as a regal thing. I would like to see the Garp page though.

edit: My bad, I'm used to a slower forum, I'll take a bit more time to make replies.
 
#91
Well yeah there's gap between acoc user like yamato and compared to shanks acoc, but in general acoc swordsman is just that op with its lethality, zoro and oden obviously could one shot kidd too
oden is on a similar tier to yonkos
zoro isnt

and I dont think he one shots kidd in the manner shanks does.
its not down to swordsman lethality bullshit.
big mom had a sword and she didnt put kidd down.
shanks is really strong person so his attacks puts down almost anyone
thats it.
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They only know one Haki user that is Boa Hancock, I kind of doubt they know much (if anything) about it. If their royalty has it, I imagine they see it as a regal thing. I would like to see the Garp page though.

edit: My bad, I'm used to a slower forum, I'll take a bit more time to make replies.
 
#92
oden is on a similar tier to yonkos
zoro isnt

and I dont think he one shots kidd in the manner shanks does.
its not down to swordsman lethality bullshit.
big mom had a sword and she didnt put kidd down.
shanks is really strong person so his attacks puts down almost anyone
thats it.
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Now this one is undeniable, I wonder if CoC has anything to do with D clan/void century lineages then.
 

Apollo

The Sol King
#93
People are born with CoC, its something innate to those who have it. There is no such thing as being "deserving" of CoC, Oda's decisions are what decide that.
 
#94
kidd didnt just get one shot by an "acoc user"
but by a yonko , the only person alive kaido( the strongest) thought was capable of fighting him



theres a difference between shanks and most acoc users. yamato is an acoc user, so is zoro, neither of whom I would put in the realm of shanks
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i think thats fair but the one part thats inarguable is the fact that you are born with it

its as they say a sign of a "natural born king"
when luffy showed it in mf
garp confirmed he always knew he was born with it.
Kaido didn't think Shanks is the only one alive could fight him
Or else he wouldn't say "we will continue our fight to death later on" to BM
Oda was showing is guys who aren't in Wano (BM was already next to her)
There only a few : Those 5 + BM whom Kaido himself admitted this fight with her is a death challenge.

Anyway,
SHANKS DIDNT one-shot Kid with Kamusari...
No railgun exposed =/= no KO
 
#95
oden is on a similar tier to yonkos
zoro isnt

and I dont think he one shots kidd in the manner shanks does.
its not down to swordsman lethality bullshit.
big mom had a sword and she didnt put kidd down.
shanks is really strong person so his attacks puts down almost anyone
thats it.
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Yes like any acoc user swordsman zoro too had that ap to one shot even someone more durable than kidd if it lands, i dont think she's swordsman she cant regualry use acoc and cant coat her sword with acoc, she's more df rrliant like kidd and law
 
Kaido didn't think Shanks is the only one alive could fight him
Or else he wouldn't say "we will continue our fight to death later on" to BM
Oda was showing is guys who aren't in Wano (BM was already next to her)
There only a few : Those 5 + BM whom Kaido himself admitted this fight with her is a death challenge.

Anyway,
SHANKS DIDNT one-shot Kid with Kamusari...
No railgun exposed =/= no KO
am just quoting what he said in that scene tbh
and big mom was excluded
 
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