Well I guess I've to wait the end of Wano for Zoro being stronger than Ashura.
One Chapter before Zoro's main fight, Ashura will be stronger than him.
After that Chapter Zoro will finally surpass him, going from being Top Vet level, to top Yonko Commander level.
With Enma giving him massive Boost in Stamina, endurance, speed etc..
@Rivaille Our boy will go from being weaker than Ashura to reach or even surpass prime Oden level
I never said he is below Ashura Doji. All i said is that it's not confirmed he is stronger than him. I have pre-Enma training Zoro and Ashura Doji around the same level. Ashura Doji can have evenly fight with Jack, even breaking one of his shotei blades and wounding him.
I place it above anything pre-Enma Zoro ever did. Zoro's best feats are beating a veteran level character(Pica) with mid diff, matching Hawkins/Killer(without his gauntlet) with nitoryu, placing him in the YC4 level, but while giving him the benefit of doubt in Asura, he might have been around Ashura Doji's level. It's just that it's not confirmed
Can't tell anything for post-Enma Zoro until i see him in action
I never said he is below Ashura Doji. All i said is that it's not confirmed he is stronger than him. I have pre-Enma training Zoro and Ashura Doji around the same level. Ashura Doji can have evenly fight with Jack, even breaking one of his shotei blades and wounding him.
I place it above anything pre-Enma Zoro ever did. Zoro's best feats are beating a veteran level character(Pica) with mid diff, matching Hawkins/Killer(without his gauntlet) with nitoryu, placing him in the YC4 level, but while giving him the benefit of doubt in Asura, he might have been around Ashura Doji's level. It's just that it's not confirmed
Can't tell anything for post-Enma Zoro until i see him in action
It's not confirmed Ashura ever tried taming it and once again, it had more to do with haki control and potential. It didn't prove anything as far as overall strength is concerned
It's not confirmed Ashura ever tried taming it and once again, it had more to do with haki control and potential. It didn't prove anything as far as overall strength is concerned
The fuck is potential? The sword sensed Zoro’s potential? Tf?
And did you not see the sword shrivel up Zoro’s hand? And Hitetsu says it would’ve knocked him out if he were weaker?
This already means Stamina and Endurance are needed to just NOT GET KNOCKED OUT... Then that’s when the amount of Haki you have comes in since if you have little, it will drain you up fast,.. And then Your Haki control comes with Zoro forcing the sword to give him back his haki
That’s A LOT of shit ranging from physical stats to Haki mastery
And also a Zoro cut a mountain so there’s that too so Ashura definitely hasn’t matched Zoro’s DC if he even can
Yes above even that, considering g2/3 Luffy fought Fujitora for much longer, yet was destroyed by a YC3(Cracker) in WCI. It simply showed how much Fujitora was playing around in dressrosa. The Ashura Doji vs Jack fight was much more serious, hence i view it as a greater feat. Besides, Ashura Doji himself fought a stronger top tier(Kaido) with Denjiro's help before and unlike in Zoro's case, it was in a much more serious situations where both were enemies to one another and Ashura Doji survived that fight
Yes above even that, considering g2/3 Luffy fought Fujitora for much longer, yet was destroyed by a YC3(Cracker) in WCI. It simply showed how much Fujitora was playing around in dressrosa. The Ashura Doji vs Jack fight was much more serious, hence i view it as a greater feat. Besides, Ashura Doji himself fought a stronger top tier(Kaido) with Denjiro's help before and unlike in Zoro's case, it was in a much more serious situations where both were enemies to one another and Ashura Doji survived that fight
He didnt survive as such. Kaido lets people like him live. Doesnt mean he wasnt one shotted all the same.
Ashura isnt a better swordsman than zoro
Nor does he have better haki.
Sitting on the fence and saying tengus words meant neither of the above but just haki mastery and potential is a cop out and is actually being disingenuous to whats going on.
Yes above even that, considering g2/3 Luffy fought Fujitora for much longer, yet was destroyed by a YC3(Cracker) in WCI. It simply showed how much Fujitora was playing around in dressrosa. The Ashura Doji vs Jack fight was much more serious, hence i view it as a greater feat. Besides, Ashura Doji himself fought a stronger top tier(Kaido) with Denjiro's help before and unlike in Zoro's case, it was in a much more serious situations where both were enemies to one another and Ashura Doji survived that fight
Ashura Doji implied it was a fight to death while fighting Jack when he said he won't be defeated by a mere underling, losing his chance for a meaningful death
It was a way to say that, "i survived Kaido, a mere underling like you can't kill me"
Also considering the fact that all the people who fought Kaido so far ended up in prison(Luffy, Kid, Killer) or working for him(Hawkins), it's indeed an outstanding feat that he managed to come out of that fight alive without working for Kaido, the one who wants to break people's spirit for them to obey him at all cost
Ashura Doji implied it was a fight to death while fighting Jack when he said he won't be defeated by a mere underling, losing his chance for a meaningful death
It was a way to say that, "i survived Kaido, a mere underling like you can't kill me"
Also considering the fact that all the people who fought Kaido so far ended up in prison(Luffy, Kid, Killer) or working for him(Hawkins), it's indeed an outstanding feat that he managed to come out of that fight alive without working for Kaido, the one who wants to break people's spirit for them to obey him at all cost
In two piece maybe, in one piece, Ashura can fight commander level opponents and even Kaido while Zoro is busy fainting from opponents below that level
Actually no, the official doesn’t say anything about Zoro “possessing” Wado and that helping
The official says Zoro’s “familiarity” with Wado is what helps... As in Zoro has been training with high tier swords from age 10 and moreover he’s been training with a sister sword to Enma no less so he can get used to Enma fast since he’s essentially been practicing for it for the last decade of his life
The difference between that and what you’re saying is that in your scenario, if you remove Wado from Zoro, Zoro magically loses the ability to control Enma somehow
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Nahh that’s definitely not true... the man pumps weights EVERY DAY
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