[FNZ] Role Madness Round 10: Kakegurui
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I'm not sure why Fuji was targeted to be honest, Fuji didn't seem to be a prime target. Nat might have been due to trying to get people to come into vote or not but I believe for nat it might have been the same as Fuji they just targetted who they thought they could kill.
I feel the scum kill went to Nat though.
My gut is we have an odd night killer though because 3 kills 1 night in a small game is brutal.
@TheAncientCenturion
That lack of support could be due to the apathy of people lynching D1. Also my failure to get back on in time to do anything useful.
Jesus, town was modkilled as well?
3 dead townies and 1 dead mafia.
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why this modkill happened
cinera straight up calling FB a crap player twice made me think that his vote against FB was spite lynching instead of a scum act, but I aknowlodged that between both, cinera was the most suspicious one
I accused celestia? I created a vote bandwagon? you got it wrong, I waited to see the vote count and my vote in celestia was supposed to force her to talk and I intended to remove it after she gave me a answer, but I couldn't return to the forum before the day phase ended
what contribution do you expect from someone in d1 in a no claim game?
why this modkill happened
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cinera straight up calling FB a crap player twice made me think that his vote against FB was spite lynching instead of a scum act, but I aknowlodged that between both, cinera was the most suspicious one
I accused celestia? I created a vote bandwagon? you got it wrong, I waited to see the vote count and my vote in celestia was supposed to force her to talk and I intended to remove it after she gave me a answer, but I couldn't return to the forum before the day phase ended
what contribution do you expect from someone in d1 in a no claim game?
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He was caught talking about the game to people outside of the thread.
I honestly thought Cinera's lynch on FB was a spite lynch. It looks like a spike lynch still just he was scum and got caught trying to force a lynch to early in the game.
I thought your lynch of Cel was off but it didn't really create a bandwagon though as it was split between FB and Cel, more of a random lynch then anything.
I honestly thought Cinera's lynch on FB was a spite lynch. It looks like a spike lynch still just he was scum and got caught trying to force a lynch to early in the game.
I thought your lynch of Cel was off but it didn't really create a bandwagon though as it was split between FB and Cel, more of a random lynch then anything.
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There might be bodyguard mafia. Townie targeted mafia and bodyguard mafia killed townie. (first kill action).
Faction kill on townie (2nd kill action) or SK kill on townie (2nd kill action).
SK failed to kill townie (3rd kill action) or faction kill failed to kill townie (3rd kill action).
Fujishiro might be the safe kill since Fujishiro didn't suspect anyone yesterday so none of us would suspect scum who killed him.
For Natalija I think Finalbeta might be independent or townie since Cinera flipped scum. Finalbeta is probably SK and killed Natalija for suspected him on D1. The only player that has strong interaction with Natalija was Finalbeta IIRC.
I also found it weird that Reborn who subbed for Celestia said that there is not enough case to build TAC as scum when TAC and Celestia became major sus of Finalbeta and Seraphoenix and also Jew (though he leaned toward TAC for being more sus).
Faction kill on townie (2nd kill action) or SK kill on townie (2nd kill action).
SK failed to kill townie (3rd kill action) or faction kill failed to kill townie (3rd kill action).
Fujishiro might be the safe kill since Fujishiro didn't suspect anyone yesterday so none of us would suspect scum who killed him.
For Natalija I think Finalbeta might be independent or townie since Cinera flipped scum. Finalbeta is probably SK and killed Natalija for suspected him on D1. The only player that has strong interaction with Natalija was Finalbeta IIRC.
I also found it weird that Reborn who subbed for Celestia said that there is not enough case to build TAC as scum when TAC and Celestia became major sus of Finalbeta and Seraphoenix and also Jew (though he leaned toward TAC for being more sus).
@Reborn
I never flip flopped. Responding to and addressing fallacies and flaws is what a mafia-games player is required to do and that is diametrically different from what you are calling. You are accusing me of opportunism but I see none.
To me you are attempting to reharse a way to exculpate Celestia since you have just subbed her and your posts don't really strike too genuine thus far, but look quite constructed like that time you flipped anti town with me.
That would equate to a very dumb move from my own. It is clearly a soft-induced frame attempt.
Mafia is still attempting to have me out from the equation since they realized I would probably of been protected at night given the twist of yesterday's events.
@NeutralWatcher
To be more specific, I had no real reason to shoot Natalija if I was SK, merely because Cinera's flip had vested me with a strong town-sided status, which means a potential further vote coming from her would have not just proven irrelevant to me, but also redundant. She would not have posed any threat in that instance.
I never flip flopped. Responding to and addressing fallacies and flaws is what a mafia-games player is required to do and that is diametrically different from what you are calling. You are accusing me of opportunism but I see none.
To me you are attempting to reharse a way to exculpate Celestia since you have just subbed her and your posts don't really strike too genuine thus far, but look quite constructed like that time you flipped anti town with me.
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That would equate to a very dumb move from my own. It is clearly a soft-induced frame attempt.
Mafia is still attempting to have me out from the equation since they realized I would probably of been protected at night given the twist of yesterday's events.
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@NeutralWatcher
To be more specific, I had no real reason to shoot Natalija if I was SK, merely because Cinera's flip had vested me with a strong town-sided status, which means a potential further vote coming from her would have not just proven irrelevant to me, but also redundant. She would not have posed any threat in that instance.
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My question to you is
You said both cinera vs final is town vs Town situation right. You even gave argument in support of both of them.
Then why you find cinera more suspicious? And, just now you used the word "more". Implying you find even final a little sus right?
So my question to you are
1)if you find anyone little suspicious then why you gave town vs town read to both of them?
2)and, if you find both town vs town then why you find anyone suspicious and Cinera more?
You are contradiction yourself queen
And, you asked what contribution one can make during day one? Well let's just this game and look at jew d boy contribution. That's kind of contribution.
Why you didn't even ask a single question whole day despite being known for asking questions?
Yes because give me evidence that tac is scum?
Do you have anything apart from he flip between final and cinera? If yes then sure I will listen but if not then this reason is tin foil.
So what? What if I am trying to do what you said? What will you do about it? Come at me? LoL
See this is my problem with you.
Whenever someone questioned you, you have tried to counter sus. Why? Nat, cinera,tac and now me?
Why being so defensive whenever someone is questioning you? This ain't townie play....
And, if you really are townie then you are playing very badly
You said both cinera vs final is town vs Town situation right. You even gave argument in support of both of them.
Then why you find cinera more suspicious? And, just now you used the word "more". Implying you find even final a little sus right?
So my question to you are
1)if you find anyone little suspicious then why you gave town vs town read to both of them?
2)and, if you find both town vs town then why you find anyone suspicious and Cinera more?
You are contradiction yourself queen
And, you asked what contribution one can make during day one? Well let's just this game and look at jew d boy contribution. That's kind of contribution.
Why you didn't even ask a single question whole day despite being known for asking questions?
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Yes because give me evidence that tac is scum?
Do you have anything apart from he flip between final and cinera? If yes then sure I will listen but if not then this reason is tin foil.
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So what? What if I am trying to do what you said? What will you do about it? Come at me? LoL
See this is my problem with you.
Whenever someone questioned you, you have tried to counter sus. Why? Nat, cinera,tac and now me?
Why being so defensive whenever someone is questioning you? This ain't townie play....
And, if you really are townie then you are playing very badly
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This is not like you.
You sus Kiwipom in Tokyo Ghoul game for being diplomatic between TAC vs Bogard. Wasn't that what TAC did? He was being diplomatic between Cinera and Finalbeta.
You also told me that Celestia was scum in ToS for voting Cinera and didn't push the lynch. That was what happened with TAC too. He voted Cinera and didn't push the lynch and unvoted Cinera instead.
In Tokyo Ghoul game TAC also sus Lanji and didn't push the lynch further and both of them were mafia. That was what happened with TAC too. He voted Cinera and didn't push the lynch further.
You sus Kiwipom in Tokyo Ghoul game for being diplomatic between TAC vs Bogard. Wasn't that what TAC did? He was being diplomatic between Cinera and Finalbeta.
You also told me that Celestia was scum in ToS for voting Cinera and didn't push the lynch. That was what happened with TAC too. He voted Cinera and didn't push the lynch and unvoted Cinera instead.
In Tokyo Ghoul game TAC also sus Lanji and didn't push the lynch further and both of them were mafia. That was what happened with TAC too. He voted Cinera and didn't push the lynch further.
I understand why flip flopping is bad. But context also matters. Ignoring that for the simple matter of saying "all flip flopping is bad" is shortsighted in the most generous of interpretations.
Why did I unvote Cinera?
—To show I was open minded between him or Finalbeta but I never stopped my sus on Cinera. In fact, I made most of my posts sussing Cinera after that. But, if you go too hard on any player especially if it's the first day? You don't get support. You need to show you're open minded.
Why did I vote Finalbeta?
—Because, like it or not, he was an equal part in the tangle on day 1. Cinera instigated it and I understand FB's reaction but he was heavy on his responses to Cinera. Likewise, as the game progressed, it became apparent that lynching either target would reveal info based on how people supported a FB lynch Day 1 or a Cinera lynch Day 1.
I decided that, since no one when I was most free to play, was for a Cinera lynch, I would go with FB. So long as FB was lynched and turned town, I could make a strong case on Cinera the following day. Which, I even said at least once but likely multiple times the previous day. In my eyes, FB being lynched would reveal Cinera, potentially Nat and Light as well.
Hopefully this time you guys decide to read it instead of holding firm on flip flopping and ignoring circumstance.
I have no idea why Fuji was killed. That could've been a safe hit, maybe? Scum thought no one would be on Fuji. Nat? Well, Nat was acting odd with Cinera. So maybe independent or some bold vigilante attacked thinking Nat was scum? IDK. Since Cinera was scum, attacking Nat as Mafia doesn't make sense. She'd of been a perfect target for town to attack due to her anti-Cinera lynching stance.
I'll probably not post much for the rest of the night. Just wanted to put that out there.
Why did I unvote Cinera?
—To show I was open minded between him or Finalbeta but I never stopped my sus on Cinera. In fact, I made most of my posts sussing Cinera after that. But, if you go too hard on any player especially if it's the first day? You don't get support. You need to show you're open minded.
Why did I vote Finalbeta?
—Because, like it or not, he was an equal part in the tangle on day 1. Cinera instigated it and I understand FB's reaction but he was heavy on his responses to Cinera. Likewise, as the game progressed, it became apparent that lynching either target would reveal info based on how people supported a FB lynch Day 1 or a Cinera lynch Day 1.
I decided that, since no one when I was most free to play, was for a Cinera lynch, I would go with FB. So long as FB was lynched and turned town, I could make a strong case on Cinera the following day. Which, I even said at least once but likely multiple times the previous day. In my eyes, FB being lynched would reveal Cinera, potentially Nat and Light as well.
Hopefully this time you guys decide to read it instead of holding firm on flip flopping and ignoring circumstance.
I have no idea why Fuji was killed. That could've been a safe hit, maybe? Scum thought no one would be on Fuji. Nat? Well, Nat was acting odd with Cinera. So maybe independent or some bold vigilante attacked thinking Nat was scum? IDK. Since Cinera was scum, attacking Nat as Mafia doesn't make sense. She'd of been a perfect target for town to attack due to her anti-Cinera lynching stance.
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I'll probably not post much for the rest of the night. Just wanted to put that out there.
I doubt a vig would be so bold to attack on day one.
Nat was definitely killed by Scums. And, it was because she was seen as a threat.
Anyway, I think I am have to read thread properly because I haven't done that since I got subbed in.
And, this inactivity in this thread is bothering me.
I will be quoting posts and would be asking questions before I place my vote and give my reads
Nat was definitely killed by Scums. And, it was because she was seen as a threat.
Anyway, I think I am have to read thread properly because I haven't done that since I got subbed in.
And, this inactivity in this thread is bothering me.
I will be quoting posts and would be asking questions before I place my vote and give my reads
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Meta/playing style is one of way to read someone in this game and that's by looking at player's previous games.
You haven't town cleared TAC but you said he is not scum in this post.
Aren't you contradicting yourself?
This seems like a deflection. Instead of answering my question, (I already explained why using past game is one of way to read someone in this game) you directed my attention toward TAC.
Finalbeta only had 1 vote from Natalija when you voted him. You actually believed Natalija's argument for voting Finalbeta?
You didn't explain why you vote Finalbeta in this post. You understanf Finalbeta's reaction and still vote him. Why didn't you defend him if that's the case instead of voting him? You cast a vote by how suspicious player is not by how many players support the lynch.
It's like a mafia wants to blend in the bandwagon going for popular lynch.
Vigilante would commit suicide if he/her attacks townie. I thought you should have known that. This makes you sus not knowing that.
How are you so sure that Natalija was killed by scum? What if she was killed by SK since there were 3 kill actions tonight? This looks like you want to divert townie's attention from mafia's actual target if you are indeed a mafia.
I also realize you two use word context. Are you two buddies? This seems a bit off for me.
You haven't town cleared TAC but you said he is not scum in this post.
Aren't you contradicting yourself?
This seems like a deflection. Instead of answering my question, (I already explained why using past game is one of way to read someone in this game) you directed my attention toward TAC.
Finalbeta only had 1 vote from Natalija when you voted him. You actually believed Natalija's argument for voting Finalbeta?
You didn't explain why you vote Finalbeta in this post. You understanf Finalbeta's reaction and still vote him. Why didn't you defend him if that's the case instead of voting him? You cast a vote by how suspicious player is not by how many players support the lynch.
It's like a mafia wants to blend in the bandwagon going for popular lynch.
Vigilante would commit suicide if he/her attacks townie. I thought you should have known that. This makes you sus not knowing that.
How are you so sure that Natalija was killed by scum? What if she was killed by SK since there were 3 kill actions tonight? This looks like you want to divert townie's attention from mafia's actual target if you are indeed a mafia.
I also realize you two use word context. Are you two buddies? This seems a bit off for me.
Yes but meta can be changed. If you find someone meta off then ask questions instead of directly branding them as scum.
What contradiction?
Not reading my posts carefully or trying too hard?
Let me walk you through my posts.
This is my first post. Look at the bolded part
I said it's suspicious but not enough to brand him as scum which imply that I have a bit sus on him but not strong enough to consider him for scum lynch.
This is my second post. Again look at the bolded part
I said the same thing. I haven't Town cleared him meaning that his act is s bit suspicious but not enough to brand him as scum.
So where exactly you find contradiction?
The bolded part^^ lol at it
I said nat was killed by scum and not mafia.
You are experienced enough to understand that both mafia and sk or any anti Town roles are enerally referred as scum.
So why exactly you reached to the conclusion that by scum I meant only mafia and not sk?
What contradiction?
Not reading my posts carefully or trying too hard?
Let me walk you through my posts.
This is my first post. Look at the bolded part
I said it's suspicious but not enough to brand him as scum which imply that I have a bit sus on him but not strong enough to consider him for scum lynch.
This is my second post. Again look at the bolded part
I said the same thing. I haven't Town cleared him meaning that his act is s bit suspicious but not enough to brand him as scum.
So where exactly you find contradiction?
The bolded part^^ lol at it
I said nat was killed by scum and not mafia.
You are experienced enough to understand that both mafia and sk or any anti Town roles are enerally referred as scum.
So why exactly you reached to the conclusion that by scum I meant only mafia and not sk?
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This is actually a good point if you find TAC sus then why didn't you ask TAC a question?
Actually this post from you trying very hard to defend TAC from branded as scum. If you are suspicious of TAC then you should have not defended TAC like that. Pressure TAC who you thought suspicious and ask him question to see if he is really mafia or not.
So scum is mafia/SK. I thought scum refers to mafia only because when someone gives read, they often make a difference between which players are scum and which player is SK. That was why in my post below I though scum=mafia.
Actually this post from you trying very hard to defend TAC from branded as scum. If you are suspicious of TAC then you should have not defended TAC like that. Pressure TAC who you thought suspicious and ask him question to see if he is really mafia or not.
So scum is mafia/SK. I thought scum refers to mafia only because when someone gives read, they often make a difference between which players are scum and which player is SK. That was why in my post below I though scum=mafia.
Imo I just subbed in yesterday that too at late night.
I am going through posts right now I am still at page four. I find queen act more suspicious so that's why I asked her questions first. It's about priority.
And, if You sus him so much then go ahead with questions or build case solid case against him to convince me anf everyone else instead of saying ",oh you don't see him much of a sus so you are defending him and must be scum buddies"
I will move as per my priority and pace. If I don't see tac as much as sus and someone else then it's my reads. I could be wrong but that's my reads are
And, FYI I am already quoting posts and would be asking questions soon and that includes everyone.
What you think about queen?
I am going through posts right now I am still at page four. I find queen act more suspicious so that's why I asked her questions first. It's about priority.
And, if You sus him so much then go ahead with questions or build case solid case against him to convince me anf everyone else instead of saying ",oh you don't see him much of a sus so you are defending him and must be scum buddies"
I will move as per my priority and pace. If I don't see tac as much as sus and someone else then it's my reads. I could be wrong but that's my reads are
And, FYI I am already quoting posts and would be asking questions soon and that includes everyone.
What you think about queen?
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Wait you said you are on page 4. But this quote from Queen is from page 7. How come you sus Queen when you are on page 4 yet the post that makes her sus (imo) is on page 7?
Actually this quote makes me sus her since she said it was town vs town. She also said she would vote Cinera if she had to vote but she didn't vote Cinera yesterday. She also said she would vote Cinera might be because if Cinera flipped mafia, that would town clear Queen.
I think TAC is more sus for now. His reason for voting Finalbeta was weird. He voted based on how many people support that lynch when you vote should be because you find which player is the most sus. What makes it weirder was he understoond Finalbeta's reaction and still sus Cinera and he still voted Finalbeta.
Actually this quote makes me sus her since she said it was town vs town. She also said she would vote Cinera if she had to vote but she didn't vote Cinera yesterday. She also said she would vote Cinera might be because if Cinera flipped mafia, that would town clear Queen.
I think TAC is more sus for now. His reason for voting Finalbeta was weird. He voted based on how many people support that lynch when you vote should be because you find which player is the most sus. What makes it weirder was he understoond Finalbeta's reaction and still sus Cinera and he still voted Finalbeta.
??? Did you not read my posts Neutral? I said why I voted Beta.
I had no support against Cinera.
Lynching Beta would give us info on Cinera/Nat/Light
At that time, keeping a vote on Cinera doesn't help town. We need intel and on Day 1, a mislynch on Beta isn't the worst case scenario. It gives us plenty to work with in regards to those opposing Beta and opposing the lynch of Cinera.
I've written this extensively, do you understand this time?
In Town of Salem a vigilante commits suicide the night after they kill someone. This isn't Town of Salem. How does this even function into my statement? If a Vig did shoot Nat, we wouldn't know because they wouldn't be dead yet. Likewise, if a Vig was dumb enough to shoot Nat, they can't speak up because that's role revealing.
Indie/Vig likely thought Nat was scum based on her buddying with Cinera.
What? Blend in?
You're wrong as shit if you think I tried to blend in at all day 1. Two things happened that day.
Finalbeta arguing with Cinera.
Me arguing with Light/Nat.
I am overt. I am a peacock. I don't want to blend in Watcher, that's not my goal.
Also lol @ at the context thing—we said the same thing because Reborn isn't dumb and is reading the game. Flip flopping isn't great but isn't automatically a sign of being scum. I wasn't voting flippantly and I explained myself on why I voted ad nauseam in the thread. Either decide to look at what I said and argue that or be quiet about it. If you're not interested in my reasons I'm not interested in hearing from you on them.
I swear you're dumb.
I could not muster support to lynch Cinera. That is a fact.
Lynching Finalbeta would give us info on Cinera, light/Nat. Also a fact.
I decide to lynch Finalbeta because it's better to get some info out of the round than sit on a stubborn Cinera lynch.
About an hour later (less than) people decide to get active and swing to lynch Cinera.
Like I said sooooo many times already. Lynching Finalbeta would've proven Cinera was scum. I couldn't get people to lynch Cinera off my words alone and people seemed more eager to lynch Beta. If Beta lynched and flipped town? I'd have a much easier time pushing Cinera.
I had no support against Cinera.
Lynching Beta would give us info on Cinera/Nat/Light
At that time, keeping a vote on Cinera doesn't help town. We need intel and on Day 1, a mislynch on Beta isn't the worst case scenario. It gives us plenty to work with in regards to those opposing Beta and opposing the lynch of Cinera.
I've written this extensively, do you understand this time?
In Town of Salem a vigilante commits suicide the night after they kill someone. This isn't Town of Salem. How does this even function into my statement? If a Vig did shoot Nat, we wouldn't know because they wouldn't be dead yet. Likewise, if a Vig was dumb enough to shoot Nat, they can't speak up because that's role revealing.
Indie/Vig likely thought Nat was scum based on her buddying with Cinera.
What? Blend in?
You're wrong as shit if you think I tried to blend in at all day 1. Two things happened that day.
Finalbeta arguing with Cinera.
Me arguing with Light/Nat.
I am overt. I am a peacock. I don't want to blend in Watcher, that's not my goal.
Also lol @ at the context thing—we said the same thing because Reborn isn't dumb and is reading the game. Flip flopping isn't great but isn't automatically a sign of being scum. I wasn't voting flippantly and I explained myself on why I voted ad nauseam in the thread. Either decide to look at what I said and argue that or be quiet about it. If you're not interested in my reasons I'm not interested in hearing from you on them.
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I swear you're dumb.
I could not muster support to lynch Cinera. That is a fact.
Lynching Finalbeta would give us info on Cinera, light/Nat. Also a fact.
I decide to lynch Finalbeta because it's better to get some info out of the round than sit on a stubborn Cinera lynch.
About an hour later (less than) people decide to get active and swing to lynch Cinera.
Like I said sooooo many times already. Lynching Finalbeta would've proven Cinera was scum. I couldn't get people to lynch Cinera off my words alone and people seemed more eager to lynch Beta. If Beta lynched and flipped town? I'd have a much easier time pushing Cinera.
Because I gave cursory reading to the thread during day one when I was not part of the game. While doing so her posts striked me off.
So when I subbed in yesterday, I immediately searched her posts and quote all of them(you can check it LoL). I didn't go through thread properly as a player yet.
So again your reasoning that I quoted her post made on 7th page while being on page four doesn't add up.
So as per your meaning of scum you think tac is Mafia?
So when I subbed in yesterday, I immediately searched her posts and quote all of them(you can check it LoL). I didn't go through thread properly as a player yet.
So again your reasoning that I quoted her post made on 7th page while being on page four doesn't add up.
So as per your meaning of scum you think tac is Mafia?
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:laughmoji:I don't like that kind of logic. Natalija and Light didn't sus Cinera fine so Finalbeta lynch can give info on their alignment but the same logic can be applied to you.
Reborn defended you and if we lynch you now it would give us info on Reborn.
I sus him for voting Finalbeta who he defended instead of Cinera who he was suspicious of but after hearing his reasoning that he voted Finalbeta to give info on Light and Natalija who kinda didn't find Cinera sus, I think my sus on TAC lessens a bit but his reply is kinda off for being rude and saying dumb.
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