[FNZ] Role Madness Round 10: Kakegurui
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Your reasoning for Beta could have been used for the same with lynching Cinera, so why did you change your vote with a reasoning "of giving information" when you could have used the same with Cinera and seeing who sides with beta.
Taking your own reasoning to lynch Beta "We see who sided with cinera and gives us info on him" well you sided with cinera and put the suspect thing on your back by lynching beta and cinera flipping town.
So why is it an issue that people are doing just that with you? You sided with cinera and lynched beta, cinera still got lynched and flipped scum. So that makes you look suspect.
Had you been on the other side and lynched cinera you would be looking at those who lynched beta with a suspect eye. So don't play this shocked "geez, why am I suspect" when its your own reasoning that put that on you.
Taking your own reasoning to lynch Beta "We see who sided with cinera and gives us info on him" well you sided with cinera and put the suspect thing on your back by lynching beta and cinera flipping town.
So why is it an issue that people are doing just that with you? You sided with cinera and lynched beta, cinera still got lynched and flipped scum. So that makes you look suspect.
Had you been on the other side and lynched cinera you would be looking at those who lynched beta with a suspect eye. So don't play this shocked "geez, why am I suspect" when its your own reasoning that put that on you.
I am not quite sure why TAC is so adamant on me. I'll quote the posts here and you can see for yourselves that I wasn't really defending Cinera. I was moreso explaining and giving my thoughts on his posts.
First this all started when TAC stated that we were going to have a mislynch while unvoting Cinera
to which this was my response
So TAC was sure that we were going to have a mislynch while unvoting for Cinera.
This was his response to that
Then I asked him about his reads
to which he responded with this
Saying Cinera is his prime sus but unvoting for him.
I then said that that's a bit contradictory and willingly shared what I had already said about it, prior to the whole thing being brought up.
Above I clearly said that due to both having that weird playstyle I can't place my finger on it.
I'll quote the rest of the posts now because it's mostly repetitive. Me explaining why I thought Cinera was playing as usual and that such a style fits him
So let me sum up. TAC says we are going to have a mislynch while unvoting Cinera. I ask him why and what are his reads. He responds Cinera is his primary sus. I ask then about why he would unvote him if he thinks he's the most sus. We discuss there. I give my own thoughts on Cinera's posts, without ever being asked to. I expressed that I wasn't sure about either of them. We end it there and TAC later votes for FB.
Now if I were Cinera's partner why would I be asking TAC and pestering him about unvoting Cinera? Why would I give my thoughts on the case between them willingly? What's more, if I were Cinera's partner, when people started voting for him I could have unvoted and voted for FB and have Cinera vote for him as well and ensure that FB gets lynched that way. When people started voting for FB, TAC and then Nat, I could have switched my vote and later on with Marimo's vote and Cinera's vote ensure that FB gets lynched. The reason why I didn't vote for either is that as I said above I wasn't sure about either of them.
I wasn't the only one who thought that way. Nat also did.
I have to say I don't like this. You and Gianfi are my most sus players now. Gianfi is probably the independent party.
I am not going to cast a vote yet. I have an exam in like 12 hours so I'll probably be a little less active now. I apologize for that. If it's something urgent please tag me and I'll try to respond. I'll try to go over the thread during my study breaks.
First this all started when TAC stated that we were going to have a mislynch while unvoting Cinera
to which this was my response
So TAC was sure that we were going to have a mislynch while unvoting for Cinera.
This was his response to that
Then I asked him about his reads
to which he responded with this
Saying Cinera is his prime sus but unvoting for him.
I then said that that's a bit contradictory and willingly shared what I had already said about it, prior to the whole thing being brought up.
Above I clearly said that due to both having that weird playstyle I can't place my finger on it.
I'll quote the rest of the posts now because it's mostly repetitive. Me explaining why I thought Cinera was playing as usual and that such a style fits him
So let me sum up. TAC says we are going to have a mislynch while unvoting Cinera. I ask him why and what are his reads. He responds Cinera is his primary sus. I ask then about why he would unvote him if he thinks he's the most sus. We discuss there. I give my own thoughts on Cinera's posts, without ever being asked to. I expressed that I wasn't sure about either of them. We end it there and TAC later votes for FB.
Now if I were Cinera's partner why would I be asking TAC and pestering him about unvoting Cinera? Why would I give my thoughts on the case between them willingly? What's more, if I were Cinera's partner, when people started voting for him I could have unvoted and voted for FB and have Cinera vote for him as well and ensure that FB gets lynched that way. When people started voting for FB, TAC and then Nat, I could have switched my vote and later on with Marimo's vote and Cinera's vote ensure that FB gets lynched. The reason why I didn't vote for either is that as I said above I wasn't sure about either of them.
I wasn't the only one who thought that way. Nat also did.
I have to say I don't like this. You and Gianfi are my most sus players now. Gianfi is probably the independent party.
I am not going to cast a vote yet. I have an exam in like 12 hours so I'll probably be a little less active now. I apologize for that. If it's something urgent please tag me and I'll try to respond. I'll try to go over the thread during my study breaks.
@Queen @krogothwolf @Seraphoenix @Fallen Prince care to share reasons for why you didn't vote yesterday.
I think Celestia or now @Reborn was just joking tbh. This was pretty early in the game and then she changed to a random vote later in @RayanOO. I think Cinera used this as a chance too early, and pushed too hard which allowed him to get punished.
@krogothwolf Nope she didn't "try too hard"
@Gianfi seems too sus, making careless mistakes such as "Cinera was Mafia?" even though he's one of the players to vote against him. So I think he's potential third party- maybe jester.
Finalbeta is obvs safe. Looks like it's standard procedure for his vocab goes up by 5 tiers in Mafia LOL. My G.
Also I agree with the above listed reasons for TAC being most sus on here. While I do think some of the arguments provided by himself are pretty solid, he's probably an experienced scum so I am going to need more if you want to be cleared mate.
@Fallen Prince
Wifi problems again?
I think Celestia or now @Reborn was just joking tbh. This was pretty early in the game and then she changed to a random vote later in @RayanOO. I think Cinera used this as a chance too early, and pushed too hard which allowed him to get punished.
@krogothwolf Nope she didn't "try too hard"
@Gianfi seems too sus, making careless mistakes such as "Cinera was Mafia?" even though he's one of the players to vote against him. So I think he's potential third party- maybe jester.
Finalbeta is obvs safe. Looks like it's standard procedure for his vocab goes up by 5 tiers in Mafia LOL. My G.
Also I agree with the above listed reasons for TAC being most sus on here. While I do think some of the arguments provided by himself are pretty solid, he's probably an experienced scum so I am going to need more if you want to be cleared mate.
@Fallen Prince
Wifi problems again?
Yeah but a big part of lynching Beta is because I wasn't receiving the support—when active—to get rid of Cinera. Don't gloss over that. And for me, it makes more sense to go with the easier lynch of Finalbeta because his lynch will directly feed info on every other player around. I've made myself vocally known for wanting Cinera gone but no one there at the time was supporting me with it.
Considering I've been 1 of 2 players consistently on Cinera this whole game whereas everyone else jumped on in the last hour or so? Yeah, I'll be a little shocked that they're finding me sus for having the same idea as them but having vocally argued it with other players. Explained my reasoning concisely and clearly.
I'll say it again, it's baffling that I am a suspect but Light who defended Cinera from the get go isn't.
Considering I've been 1 of 2 players consistently on Cinera this whole game whereas everyone else jumped on in the last hour or so? Yeah, I'll be a little shocked that they're finding me sus for having the same idea as them but having vocally argued it with other players. Explained my reasoning concisely and clearly.
I'll say it again, it's baffling that I am a suspect but Light who defended Cinera from the get go isn't.
@Queen @krogothwolf @Seraphoenix @Fallen Prince care to share reasons for why you didn't vote yesterday.
I think Celestia or now @Reborn was just joking tbh. This was pretty early in the game and then she changed to a random vote later in @RayanOO. I think Cinera used this as a chance too early, and pushed too hard which allowed him to get punished.
@krogothwolf Nope she didn't "try too hard"
@Gianfi seems too sus, making careless mistakes such as "Cinera was Mafia?" even though he's one of the players to vote against him. So I think he's potential third party- maybe jester.
Finalbeta is obvs safe. Looks like it's standard procedure for his vocab goes up by 5 tiers in Mafia LOL. My G.
Also I agree with the above listed reasons for TAC being most sus on here. While I do think some of the arguments provided by himself are pretty solid, he's probably an experienced scum so I am going to need more if you want to be cleared mate.
@Fallen Prince
Wifi problems again?
I think Celestia or now @Reborn was just joking tbh. This was pretty early in the game and then she changed to a random vote later in @RayanOO. I think Cinera used this as a chance too early, and pushed too hard which allowed him to get punished.
@krogothwolf Nope she didn't "try too hard"
@Gianfi seems too sus, making careless mistakes such as "Cinera was Mafia?" even though he's one of the players to vote against him. So I think he's potential third party- maybe jester.
Finalbeta is obvs safe. Looks like it's standard procedure for his vocab goes up by 5 tiers in Mafia LOL. My G.
Also I agree with the above listed reasons for TAC being most sus on here. While I do think some of the arguments provided by himself are pretty solid, he's probably an experienced scum so I am going to need more if you want to be cleared mate.
@Fallen Prince
Wifi problems again?
Because it was Day 1 and presumably you thought it'd be easy to stop suspicion on Cinera. I was the only person talking about it after all, it's not like throngs of people were.
Because not sharing your thoughts often and without prompt is the most obvious Mafia scum sign.
You wouldn't do this—this publicly outs you.
Inactivity and not voting is always a little sus though Light. Being silent doesn't help town. Holding back your vote doesn't help town.
Because not sharing your thoughts often and without prompt is the most obvious Mafia scum sign.
You wouldn't do this—this publicly outs you.
Inactivity and not voting is always a little sus though Light. Being silent doesn't help town. Holding back your vote doesn't help town.
LOL mb. Aryt then.
We really don't know about @NeutralWatcher so he's neutral atm. I guess he really did have wifi problems.
We really don't know about @NeutralWatcher so he's neutral atm. I guess he really did have wifi problems.
@Light D Lamperouge For the record, I'm rightfully suspicious of anyone who worked against Cinera being lynched yesterday. If Nat didn't die tragically I'd be on her too.
LOL mb. Aryt then.
We really don't know about @NeutralWatcher so he's neutral atm. I guess he really did have wifi problems.
We really don't know about @NeutralWatcher so he's neutral atm. I guess he really did have wifi problems.
Tac
He definitely flip flopped and yes it's a bit suspicious but it's not enough to brand him as scum as of now especially if I consider the context of his flip flopping. It's tin foil. We need more evidence to vote against him and I think you all don't have it.
Anyway, it's night time so I will perhaps sleep but I will ask questions to few players one by one.
Now, @Queen
Look at these post of yours
yes
That's all you made on D1.
Now answer these questions
1) why you were so diplomatic about cinera vs final situation? You called that town vs town and then went on to kind of defend both with low key hinting to vote cinera (proven mafia?
Why so diplomatic? And, your subtle indication to vote cinera despite seeing that situation town vs town is weird.
Was that scum distancing because cinera is proven scum.
2) you accused Celestia for making only 5 posts and then getting disappeared.
Interesting to note is the timing of your vote was when there was final vs cinera going on. Why you created another vote bandwagon?
3) there was absolutely no active contribution from you yesterday. Most of your posts were simply nothing.
And, in one post you gave a diplomatic reply on final vs cinera.
Why so low key? Why so much on backfoot?
He definitely flip flopped and yes it's a bit suspicious but it's not enough to brand him as scum as of now especially if I consider the context of his flip flopping. It's tin foil. We need more evidence to vote against him and I think you all don't have it.
Anyway, it's night time so I will perhaps sleep but I will ask questions to few players one by one.
Now, @Queen
Look at these post of yours
wtf is going on here
yes
That's all you made on D1.
Now answer these questions
1) why you were so diplomatic about cinera vs final situation? You called that town vs town and then went on to kind of defend both with low key hinting to vote cinera (proven mafia?
Why so diplomatic? And, your subtle indication to vote cinera despite seeing that situation town vs town is weird.
Was that scum distancing because cinera is proven scum.
2) you accused Celestia for making only 5 posts and then getting disappeared.
Interesting to note is the timing of your vote was when there was final vs cinera going on. Why you created another vote bandwagon?
3) there was absolutely no active contribution from you yesterday. Most of your posts were simply nothing.
And, in one post you gave a diplomatic reply on final vs cinera.
Why so low key? Why so much on backfoot?
@Marimo_420
Queen voted Celestia afore she switched her vote on Rayan. Additionally, a fuss was generated due her bad choice and Cinera's, that is eventually why Cinera himself opted to vote me only by the end of the phase. So they could have simply budged.
Queen voted Celestia afore she switched her vote on Rayan. Additionally, a fuss was generated due her bad choice and Cinera's, that is eventually why Cinera himself opted to vote me only by the end of the phase. So they could have simply budged.
Ah ok. Seems like I missed that. I was going off of this post. No Queen here.
And it seems I have missed @Seraphoenix vote as well. Sorry mate.
It does seem Queen is a lot more sus now tbh reading Reborn's post. She did seem to flip flop a lot.
@krogothwolf why no vote yesterday?
And it seems I have missed @Seraphoenix vote as well. Sorry mate.
It does seem Queen is a lot more sus now tbh reading Reborn's post. She did seem to flip flop a lot.
@krogothwolf why no vote yesterday?
Give me your reads
Not much scum hunting from you despite being active. Why?
You are the only I guess who picked that there are three kills last night.
Two were successful and one failed.
But I wanna know your opinion regarding the people who got killed.
Fuji and nat. In your opinion, why these two were targeted?
@TheAncientCenturion the above question is for you as well.
Whe you were flip flopping with your sus yesterday?
That's hell inconsistent and speaks of opportunism. Explain me why you did that?
Not much scum hunting from you despite being active. Why?
You are the only I guess who picked that there are three kills last night.
Two were successful and one failed.
But I wanna know your opinion regarding the people who got killed.
Fuji and nat. In your opinion, why these two were targeted?
@TheAncientCenturion the above question is for you as well.
Whe you were flip flopping with your sus yesterday?
That's hell inconsistent and speaks of opportunism. Explain me why you did that?
Players:
1. @Finalbeta
2. @Celestia
3. @NeutralWatcher
4. @Marimo_420
5. @krogothwolf
7. @Light D Lamperouge
10. @RayanOO
11. @Seraphoenix
12. @TheAncientCenturion
13. @Cinera
14. @Jew D. Boy
15. @Queen
1. @Finalbeta
2. @Celestia
3. @NeutralWatcher
4. @Marimo_420
5. @krogothwolf
7. @Light D Lamperouge
10. @RayanOO
11. @Seraphoenix
12. @TheAncientCenturion
13. @Cinera
14. @Jew D. Boy
15. @Queen
But I asked you why you unvoted him. What kind of suspicion would I be trying to stop then? You yourself have now said that you were the only guy talking and you unvoted Cinera. Why would I be asking you questions about unvoting Cinera if I were his partner? You might have had a point if you voted for Cinera and I came in asking you why and trying to get you to back off. But neither I nor you did that. You unvoted him and I asked why and for you reads, and gave my own view on the situation. If I were his partner there would be literally zero reasons to involve myself in that, especially since you unvoted him.
Ok I guess. As I said earlier, this is my first game. I am not familiar with all the tactics and whatnot that can be used. I thought it was the time to share my thoughts after having read thread and giving my own view on what I noted.
But it wouldn't. I could have came in quoted your post and said you convinced me. Basically if I wanted to I could just pin it on you. Heck even earlier than that, even before people started voting for Cinera, if I were his partner I could have gave in and voted for FB when you brought it up. We'd end up lynching him with you as the one who kickstarted it.
Did you quote the wrong part by mistake? If you are referring to my exam, I do really have an important exam tomorrow. I don't wanna vote immediately just to get it done. I said I'd be here occasionally reading the thread and if I notice something off I will vote. If not, by the time I come back from the exam tomorrow I'll have more than enough time to go through it and place my vote.
No worries.
I mean fine, but I wasn't really working against Cinera being lynched. I explained multiple times and even above.
Ok I guess. As I said earlier, this is my first game. I am not familiar with all the tactics and whatnot that can be used. I thought it was the time to share my thoughts after having read thread and giving my own view on what I noted.
But it wouldn't. I could have came in quoted your post and said you convinced me. Basically if I wanted to I could just pin it on you. Heck even earlier than that, even before people started voting for Cinera, if I were his partner I could have gave in and voted for FB when you brought it up. We'd end up lynching him with you as the one who kickstarted it.
Did you quote the wrong part by mistake? If you are referring to my exam, I do really have an important exam tomorrow. I don't wanna vote immediately just to get it done. I said I'd be here occasionally reading the thread and if I notice something off I will vote. If not, by the time I come back from the exam tomorrow I'll have more than enough time to go through it and place my vote.
No worries.
I mean fine, but I wasn't really working against Cinera being lynched. I explained multiple times and even above.
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