General & Others Was it worth it? (Blackbeard and Level 6 vs. Old Whitebeard and Ace)

[Erkan12]

The marines ''seemingly'' won a victory at their home marineford against a single Emperor Pirate and his pirate crew thanks to;

- Having prepared all of their forces (3 Admirals + Fleet Admiral + even Garp)
- Location advantage + hostage advantage, and preparations for the traps
- Shichibukai joined
- PX Army joined
- Old Whitebeard was weaker due to being ill and old and Squardo's betrayal
etc.

However, they forget that Blackbeard was the mastermind behind the war and he is the man that caused all this trouble for Whitebeard pirates and the marines.

Doflamingo: ''This is awesome! You really did something amazing!''

Bonney states it's all of Blackbeard's fault.

''Everything is his fault!!''

Urouge states that ''Blackbeard'' is the key right after the war.

''Blackbeard was the key.''

Blackbeard was the true winner of the war.

In the end, the world government traded Old Whitebeard and Ace with Blackbeard and Level 6 escapees.

There are many Level 6 escapees has gone free because of Blackbeard.

Sengoku's reaction to the Level 6 escapees won't get any wanted posters;

Brannew: ''The government has ordered ... That the level 6 incident be covered up... Any further failures could cause faith in the government to fail.''

Blackbeard got what he wanted;

Blackbeard: ''I got what I came here for.''

Basically, with this war the World government traded an Old Yonko to a new Yonko (Old Whitebeard to Young Blackbeard), and a potential PK candidate Ace to Level 6 escapees (both in Blackbeard's crew, and the other Level 6 escapees who has gone rogue)

Do you think it's a fair trade?

How many years Old Whitebeard had left? And do you think Ace would become the Pirate King like Sengoku said?

- Killing Old Whitebeard + Ace was more important, it's worth it.
- Or Letting Blackbeard to get the Earthquake powers + Level 6 crew, and letting Level 6 escapees go free was a disaster, and it doesn't worth it.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Basically, with this war the World government traded an Old Yonko to a new Yonko (Old Whitebeard to Young Blackbeard), and a potential PK candidate Ace to Level 6 escapees (both in Blackbeard's crew, and the other Level 6 escapees who has gone rogue)

Do you think it's a fair trade?

How many years Old Whitebeard had left? And do you think Ace would become the Pirate King like Sengoku said?

- Killing Old Whitebeard + Ace was more important, it's worth it.
- Or Letting Blackbeard to get the Earthquake powers + Level 6 crew, and letting Level 6 escapees go free was a disaster, and it doesn't worth it.

I think that, no matter what outcome, the World Government's in its twilight years and nothing will stop that.

If the World Government tried waiting a few years to get rid of Ace, I don't think they could've done so without a lot of carnage and causalities. To them, Ace was a rising star under the protection of Whitebeard. We can also assume Ace's growth going off Luffy's. Just in the time skip, it's likely Ace would've already been an ideal replacement for Whitebeard. Imagine that, Ace inheriting Whitebeard's crew, connection, territory, and still having room to grow?

At least with Blackbeard, he hasn't gotten everything from Whitebeard, his crew isn't as experienced and they've been hunting devil fruits, so definitely not stronger. It's a lot more turbulent than a transition from Whitebeard to Ace would've been.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Bonney states it's all of Blackbeard's fault.

I feel like she was referring to Dragon

 

[Red Admiral]

Black Beard Pirates are the most dangerous crew by end of story

so clearly it didn't worth it

 

[Just a member]

Well imo it is wrong to call it a trade cause it was forced and they even know what happened only when everything was done.

Anyway it depends. It should be good on the short term, even more if they even manage to cover up what happened in Impel down (but it seems it failed since the sword guy in the Corida coloseum knew about the lvl 6 escapees) but on the long term this was the dawn of BB age (like BB said). So if at first it could look got to get rid of the strongest pirate and exchange it for a new bud yonko on the other hand WB was bounded to die or become weaker and weaker until not able to keep even the yonko title, also he wasn't belligerant and keep the peace (at elast until nobody touched his sons) while BB gained the gura (otherwise he would have to do another voyage long decades to find the gura or worse somebody could have find it before him) and new crewmates so what he needed to reach the yonko level.

Also now the balance was broken suddenly and this will provoke wars for power (remnants of WB pirates vs BB pirates but also run to control the territories of WB), now BM and Kaido allied and that is horrible news for the WG.

But it was good news for Akainu that see Sengoku step down after taking responsibility for stopping the war and the Impel down disaster so that he could seize the FA position for himself.

And bad news for Imu (so for the owner of the WG pretty much) since he saw BB and also Luffy rising to yonko and quasi yonko positions, the discover of the new Poseidon the new Roger can use and BB should look like a terrible threat in the eyes of Imu (and then of course there is Luffy on the rising)

I feel like she was referring to Dragon

If I remember correctly the next we saw about Bonney was her chained in front of BB and her man beaten (then Akainu come and BB left her there).

 

[Seth]

I feel like she was referring to Dragon

Why? I mean why Dragon.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

It's not worth it because Blackbeard crew is very strong by themselves

 

[Tobra]

at least whitebeard was rational and wouldn’t kill anyone but bb is pure chaos he has people who committed genocide in his crew his crew

bb is the new rocks

 

[Midnight Delight]

Why? I mean why Dragon.

She was likely crying due to seeing Kuma's current state, she wanted to go after Dragon because he's the one who likely made Kuma do this mission that led to him becoming a mindless robot

 

[Buusatan94]

Killing Ace who had exceptionnal potential was one thing but letting Teach who is far worse due to him being more powerful than Ace, having exceptionnal potential too, got two devil fruits and some of the most violent and powerful criminals of ID in his crew and is far more malevolent than Ace was made that the World Government traded one threat for a far more virulent one.

Not counting Luffy's survival and how he will eventually become the Pirate King.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Marineford is a sort of Pyrrhic victory for the Marines. Not in the traditional sense- they won with plenty to spare- but it will, in the end, be a case of winning the battle and losing the war.

I think the Marines misjudged the intentions of Ace and Whitebeard totally. Ace would have been as strong as Roger, so from that respect yes, he was a huge threat that had to be taken out. But he didn't want to be the Pirate King. And I don't think Whitebeard was really grooming him for the role, either, like Sengoku thought. I don't think that's in character for Whitebeard. Whitebeard protected Ace from the World Gov forces after him not because he thought Ace would be the Pirate King, but because Ace was Whitebeard's son, and a father protects his children. I don't see it as likely that Whitebeard would have tried to push Ace into something he clearly did not want. Whitebeard was the guy who only ever wanted a family, I think he, of all people, could well understand that Ace didn't have any intention of going for the throne.

Now, Whitebeard probably did believe that Ace would have a huge role to play in the future- Whitebeard knows the secrets of the world, after all- and might have thought that Ace could have been the one that Roger was waiting for. I think there's a good chance he might have thought Blackbeard was the one, as well, prior to the Thatch murder. But I really don't think it was the way that Sengoku said, which was basically "Whitebeard is raising Ace purely to go to Laugh Tale, become Pirate King and destabilise the World Gov." Whitebeard might have believed that's what Ace would eventually have done, but I think he'd have been very content to let him go his own way.

Ace, for his part, is younger and less worldly than Whitebeard. He wanted to make Whitebeard Pirate King out of a misguided sense that was what Whitebeard wanted, and it would honour him. Keep in mind that I very much doubt that Whitebeard had told many, if any, of his crew that all he ever wanted was a family- Whitebeard's a big tough manly man, I can't imagine he would be having any sappy heart to hearts with them like that.

And then we come to Blackbeard, who yes, was the real winner of Marineford, because he got everything he wanted out of it. If the forces at Marineford had any sense, they'd have all ganged up on him and tried to kill him on the spot.

 

[Kenshiro11]

Marines clearly took an L on this one. Why would you think it as a win when whitebeard is not that much of a threat to one piece, which is the main reason why they arr created in the first place, compared to Goatbeard.
Old man couldve searched it for himself even if Roger didnt tell him the location. He has no interest in it. Period.
Goatbeard on the other hand. That man is too ambitous and cunning. His powers right now, dare i say can equal prime whitebeard. His two dfs are too dangerous

 

[WesMidnight]

Yeah completely retarded on the WGs part, take aim at the second most peaceful and sane Yonko over the sins of Roger, surprised they haven't mobilised more of an anti-Luffy targetted assault since because he is the son of Dragon.

I think the WG and Shanks should have realistically tried to kill Blackbeard there and then after what when down.

But then again the WG is constantly making retarded moves such as having a shichibukai which is half full of evil psychopaths and then the other half full of useless selfish pirates who won't follow orders.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

WG got played by Teach like kids. Dude played his game so well that Imu is now after his ass.
And no the trade wasn't worth it in my opinion. BB with level 6 prisoners plus Kuzan under him easily matches WB as a force. BB is also all about aggression (like Kaido) while WB was all about peace (Shanks?). The WG basically created a WB level enemy that won't hesitate to cause chaos.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

The marines ''seemingly'' won a victory at their home marineford against a single Emperor Pirate and his pirate crew thanks to;

- Having prepared all of their forces (3 Admirals + Fleet Admiral + even Garp)
- Location advantage + hostage advantage, and preparations for the traps
- Shichibukai joined
- PX Army joined
- Old Whitebeard was weaker due to being ill and old and Squardo's betrayal
etc.

However, they forget that Blackbeard was the mastermind behind the war and he is the man that caused all this trouble for Whitebeard pirates and the marines.

Doflamingo: ''This is awesome! You really did something amazing!''

Bonney states it's all of Blackbeard's fault.

''Everything is his fault!!''

Urouge states that ''Blackbeard'' is the key right after the war.

''Blackbeard was the key.''

Blackbeard was the true winner of the war.

In the end, the world government traded Old Whitebeard and Ace with Blackbeard and Level 6 escapees.

There are many Level 6 escapees has gone free because of Blackbeard.

Sengoku's reaction to the Level 6 escapees won't get any wanted posters;

Brannew: ''The government has ordered ... That the level 6 incident be covered up... Any further failures could cause faith in the government to fail.''

Blackbeard got what he wanted;

Blackbeard: ''I got what I came here for.''

Basically, with this war the World government traded an Old Yonko to a new Yonko (Old Whitebeard to Young Blackbeard), and a potential PK candidate Ace to Level 6 escapees (both in Blackbeard's crew, and the other Level 6 escapees who has gone rogue)

Do you think it's a fair trade?

How many years Old Whitebeard had left? And do you think Ace would become the Pirate King like Sengoku said?

- Killing Old Whitebeard + Ace was more important, it's worth it.
- Or Letting Blackbeard to get the Earthquake powers + Level 6 crew, and letting Level 6 escapees go free was a disaster, and it doesn't worth it.

Who is this for? I have never spoken to a single person in the fandom who thinks the Marines came out on top in the war, even if they won in the most nominal sense.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Yeah completely retarded on the WGs part, take aim at the second most peaceful and sane Yonko over the sins of Roger, surprised they haven't mobilised more of an anti-Luffy targetted assault since because he is the son of Dragon.

I think the WG and Shanks should have realistically tried to kill Blackbeard there and then after what when down.

But then again the WG is constantly making retarded moves such as having a shichibukai which is half full of evil psychopaths and then the other half full of useless selfish pirates who won't follow orders.

It's not like they told BB to start the war with WB, BB didn't even plan it himself. Dude is a phenomenal power player, even using his obscurity against them. And true to upper class or high level management logic, the people who made the decisions regarding his status aren't affected by the consequences.

The Marines made the best of what they were given for Marineford and there's a measure of success in that, but ultimately it's a pretty bad loss.