[FNZ] Role Madness Round 10: Kakegurui

[Seraphoenix]

how ? it was d1

I agree that we shouldn't just assume that FB is town but I don't think Cinéra did that because he thought FB was a threat or the SK etc. He likely think FB was the easiest to push a lynch on D1.
He had no way to know FB role .

We don't know the setup though. What if they are told who is SK? What if mafia has day abilities?

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I also don't see how FB is an easy target. He is mostly inactive but not a bad player.

 

[Ena]

Don't mention just mafia. We don't know who is mafia and who is Third party. Use term "scum" .

Second, i have read thread only till 9th page. I have yet to read whole day phase to get a better picture. So when I am going forward, I am asking questions (already asked to Many and waiting for their response).

So I don't have much read on rayan.


As far as marimo is concerned then if you have noticed then he was the first person Whom I asked question today while I was going through the thread properly. There is a reason I asked him a question.



Final vs cinera doesn't clear final because final can still be third party if not mafia as cinera was mafia.

Also, final game play isn't townie like. Why?

Because

As experience player he should be open to cross questions and coperate with townies.

Yet, all I saw him doing is counter sussing people who asked him questions and flipfloppin more than once with his sus.

I have plenty of posts to indicate so.

To me this is scummy Play because all he has done is non cooperation in scum hunting by others that too in a non claim game.

And, If he really is townie then I see this as bad play and too bad for townies.


As far as jew is concerned then I found his posts a bit contributive and he has been quite open with his thoughts. That's townish outlook

All Third party roles and mafia are scums to me because Third party roles are mainly against town. So based on alignment roles like survivor are Scums as well. However, such roles if help townie then we can overlook them being scum.


I can't be sure about information of kill being failed is due to killer being roleblocked or due to kill falling on someone being protected.

It depends on Host so it varies. There is chance that we can get such info if killer gets roleblocked but as I said it depends on host so you have to ask kiwi via pm.

hey, don't you remember that turbo game where FB claimed doctor, the only power role in d1 just to get back at someone who random voted him?
can't survivor win with town?

 

[Reborn]

We don't know the setup though. What if they are told who is SK? What if mafia has day abilities?

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I also don't see how FB is an easy target. He is mostly inactive but not a bad player.

Why don't you answer my question sera

You said that in any event final vs cinera isn't town vs town implying that you find atleast one of the them as sus.

But you didn't vote for either of them but someone else when yesterday everything was almost about final vs cinera?why

@RayanOO give me your reads

@Rayan give me your reads as well

hey, don't you remember that turbo game where FB claimed doctor, the only power role in d1 just to get back at someone who random voted him?
can't survivor win with town?

Survivor has to survive so I guess yes. But he must help townie

 

[RayanOO]

I also don't see how FB is an easy target. He is mostly inactive but not a bad player.

Cinera already used the argument in previous games that a mislynch on bad player if fait play or that lynching bad townie is good too. Knowing that he likely thought that he wouldn't be viewed as sus if he did that again. And the two main targets for that argument to be a little bit accepted are FB or Don. And Don is not here. Even if FB wasn't active Cinera could pulled that card.

 

[Ena]

We don't know the setup though. What if they are told who is SK? What if mafia has day abilities?

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I also don't see how FB is an easy target. He is mostly inactive but not a bad player.

a game where mafia knows who is the SK? how that could possibly be balanced? that would probably be a bastard game
mafia having day abilities makes sense I guess, but finding the sk when the game barely started, what is the chance of this?
imo cinera legit thought fb was a bad player and easy target, he called him a crap player twice, doesn't seem like scum act

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also doesn't the mafia benefit from the indie killer killing people at night in the early game? there is a low chance he will kill a mafia member

 

[RayanOO]

@Rayan give me your reads as well

Just wake up and have to catch up with the night posts here. I'll tell you what I think in one or two hours

 

[Seraphoenix]

Why don't you answer my question sera



@Rayan give me your reads as well


Survivor has to survive so I guess yes. But he must help townie

You asked two questions. They will be answered. on my time

Cinera already used the argument in previous games that a mislynch on bad player if fait play or that lynching bad townie is good too. Knowing that he likely thought that he wouldn't be viewed as sus if he did that again. And the two main targets for that argument to be a little bit accepted are FB or Don. And Don is not here. Even if FB wasn't active Cinera could pulled that card.

Yeah but personally I don't see FB as a bad player. Just mostly inactive. Does everybody else see him as one?

a game where mafia knows who is the SK? how that could possibly be balanced? that would probably be a bastard game
mafia having day abilities makes sense I guess, but finding the sk when the game barely started, what is the chance of this?
imo cinera legit thought fb was a bad player and easy target, he called him a crap player twice, doesn't seem like scum act

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also doesn't the mafia benefit from the indie killer killing people at night in the early game? there is a low chance he will kill a mafia member

Yes, in a game where mafia can't kill the SK and have to get them lynched. I've seen it before.

 

[Reborn]

You asked two questions. They will be answered. on my time

Yeah but personally I don't see FB as a bad player. Just mostly inactive. Does everybody else see him as one?

Yes, in a game where mafia can't kill the SK and have to get them lynched. I've seen it before.

If you have time to make replies to post made by other players then why are postponing my question for later?

Need time to think or prepare answer?

 

[Seraphoenix]

Give me your reads

Haven't read through everything but:
Between TAC, you and Light I think there is def scum. I lean closely on you and TAC.

Queen I'm also not too sure of.

The rest are neutral though I give NW a town lean as he has made really good posts.

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If you have time to make replies to post made by other players then why are postponing my question for later?

Need time to think or prepare answer?

I respond to what I want, when I want. This weak questioning won't work.

 

[Reborn]

Haven't read through everything but:
Between TAC, you and Light I think there is def scum. I lean closely on you and TAC.

Queen I'm also not too sure of.

The rest are neutral though I give NW a town lean as he has made really good posts.

I didn't ask for your reads.


I asked that yesterday you found cinera vs final situation isn't town vs town in any event which means you definitely felt there is atleast one sus among them.


Then why you didn't cast vote on either of them later?.

 

[Seraphoenix]

You said that in any event final vs cinera isn't town vs town implying that you find atleast one of the them as sus.

But you didn't vote for either of them but someone else when yesterday everything was almost about final vs cinera?why

Because I obviously found Celestia more likely than either of those two?

 

[Finalbeta]

@Reborn

You keep inferring that I'm overtly defensive yet I never looked like that when Neutral mentioned the chance of me featuring as SK, plus I never accused Marimo of being scum yet, despite the fact he had voted me last day. I could make other examples if required.

It clearly depends on context.

I'm simply thinking that your reads are forced thus far, you even ignore that my town meta isn't actually off if you really want to center and entertain your focus on my reactions to players asking me questions or in general mentioning me/making my name.

 

[Seraphoenix]

Give me your reads


Not much scum hunting from you despite being active. Why?


You are the only I guess who picked that there are three kills last night.

Two were successful and one failed.

But I wanna know your opinion regarding the people who got killed.

Fuji and nat. In your opinion, why these two were targeted?

@TheAncientCenturion the above question is for you as well.


Whe you were flip flopping with your sus yesterday?


That's hell inconsistent and speaks of opportunism. Explain me why you did that?

This is on page 15 @Reborn where you ask me for my reads As least remember what you said to me before you start questioning me.

 

[Finalbeta]

Since an attempt to kill someone failed, that means someone is protected.

Player who is adamant to defend certain player in this day phase should confirm which player protected which player last night.

I'm inclined to believe it was me to be protected given yesterday's flip.

However why do you ignore the notion that to no one is permitted claiming their actions in this game? And why would you want the protector exposed even in the off chance that had been possible? (Not in this game)

 

[Reborn]

This is on page 15 @Reborn where you ask me for my reads As least remember what you said to me before you start questioning me.

Oh I asked that yesterday and I asked Next question today so it skipped.

Because I obviously found Celestia more likely than either of those two?

Whom you find more suspicious -, cinera or final as you didn't find that situation town vs town

@Reborn

You keep inferring that I'm overtly defensive yet I never looked like that when Neutral mentioned the chance of me featuring as SK, plus I never accused Marimo of being scum yet, despite the fact he had voted me last day. I could make other examples if required.

It clearly depends on context.

I'm simply thinking that your reads are forced thus far, you even ignore that my town meta isn't actually off if you really want to center and entertain your focus on my reactions to players asking me questions or in general mentioning me/making my name.

My reads are way better than What you are doing since yesterday and that is counter sussing


You better co-operate with scum hunting if townie or else I won't hesitate in voting you out.

 

[Seraphoenix]

Whom you find more suspicious -, cinera or final as you didn't find that situation town vs town

At the time I found FB more sus due to his changed vocab and Cinera using the same logic he used in previous games. I'm sure you know this though as you read my posts on the matter and are trying to 'catch' me out now.

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TAC or Reborn guys. I'm leaning to TAC. I think he has a stronger role than Reborn which is why he stuck his neck out to defend him.

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by him I mean Reborn defending him.

 

[Reborn]

At the time I found FB more sus due to his changed vocab and Cinera using the same logic he used in previous games. I'm sure you know this though as you read my posts on the matter and are trying to 'catch' me out now.

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TAC or Reborn guys. I'm leaning to TAC. I think he has a stronger role than Reborn which is why he stuck his neck out to defend him.

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by him I mean Reborn defending him.

So what you want that I should not ask Cross questions to see if there is any inconsistency and let not much scum hunting and inactivity drive this phase which is beneficial for Scums?


And, lol at height of assuming I defended tac so we are scum buddies. I clarified that why tac being Mafia doesn't add up to me. Want me to quote my post to ease your reading?

By your logic you also tried to brush aside cinera being scum yesterday so by your own logic you are cinera(a Mafia) scum Buddy right?

I really don't see a case for Cinera. He used that same line of argument in every game I've played with him.

Imo if you want to raise sus on me then try harder and with logical case buliding instead of using weak tin foil assumptions and arguments lol





Btw,

Unvote

Vote Lynch seraphoneix

your townie game play isn't based on assumptions but on well made reads

So, before you start screamin "oh reborn is scum and see he voted me" I tell you clearly.... bring it on.

 

[NeutralWatcher]

I'm inclined to believe it was me to be protected given yesterday's flip.

However why do you ignore the notion that to no one is permitted claiming their actions in this game? And why would you want the protector exposed even in the off chance that had been possible? (Not in this game)

Celestia seemed to be townie since her meta in this game was different from her scum meta in ToS. In ToS she was way too friendly and voted Cinera but didn't push the lynch while in this game she voted you and unvoted you. Thanks to that you didn't get lynched. I think Celestia was also more active in scum hunting yesterday when she voted Rayan so I think Reborn who subbed her should be townie.

That was why I found Reborn was weird for defending TAC given Celestia's behaviour yesterday. It must have to something to do with what happened last night.

That post was just me trying to guess Reborn's behaviour for defending TAC since Celestia was townie imo and Reborn who subbed her should be townie too.

 

[Finalbeta]

Celestia seemed to be townie since her meta in this game was different from her scum meta in ToS. In ToS she was way too friendly and voted Cinera but didn't push the lynch while in this game she voted you and unvoted you. Thanks to that you didn't get lynched. I think Celestia was also more active in scum hunting yesterday when she voted Rayan so I think Reborn who subbed her should be townie.

That was why I found Reborn was weird for defending TAC given Celestia's behaviour yesterday. It must have to something to do with what happened last night.

That post was just me trying to guess Reborn's behaviour for defending TAC since Celestia was townie imo and Reborn who subbed her should be townie too.

Well Cinera only voted me at the very end of the phase. Celestia's move backfired from the start and so Mafia's plan wasn't to have me lynched anymore eventually. That is also why I don't sus Marimo hard for example.

I'm inclined to think Mafia attempted to frame me this night, as opposed to forcingly push me yesterday, after their move had backfired.

Cinera only voted me when his back was against the wall.

 

[Seraphoenix]

So what you want that I should not ask Cross questions to see if there is any inconsistency and let not much scum hunting and inactivity drive this phase which is beneficial for Scums?

Feel free to do as you like. Just know trying that kind of thing isn't going to work on me. I know your MO.

And, lol at height of assuming I defended tac so we are scum buddies. I clarified that why tac being Mafia doesn't add up to me. Want me to quote my post to ease your reading?

I read your post. Which is why I believed you were defending him. Even if softly

By your logic you also tried to brush aside cinera being scum yesterday so by your own logic you are cinera(a Mafia) scum Buddy right?



Imo if you want to raise sus on me then try harder and with logical case buliding instead of using weak tin foil assumptions and arguments lol





Btw,

Unvote

Vote Lynch seraphoneix

your townie game play isn't based on assumptions but on well made reads

So, before you start screamin "oh reborn is scum and see he voted me" I tell you clearly.... bring it on.

I said Cinera was less likely to be scum. I didn't totally exonerate him. You on the other hand are saying TAC's action is 'tinfoil'. It's hilarious that you expect any of us to think it's tinfoil.

All you've done with this post and the vote on me is confirmed for me that TAC is the big fish between you and him

Thanks Reborn.

Vote Lynch TAC