General & Others The Great Debate - Will Luffy Solo Kaido this Arc?
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Blackbeard,Big Mom,Kaido,Shanks,Mihawk,Akainu, the three Admirals and other characters, Luffy is still behind them. But not like in WCi he finally grow up very strong and became near at that lvl. Even though his ap is still under the lvl of these top tiers above which I mentioned.
Any Admiral would stomp Dressrosa Luffy, alone thinking he beeing back then a Admiral lvl clearly lost his sense for powerscaling.
Any Admiral would stomp Dressrosa Luffy, alone thinking he beeing back then a Admiral lvl clearly lost his sense for powerscaling.
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boundman was low admiralOh crap, oneshotted by Kaifo
Low diffed by Kata
Mocked by BM
Luffy needs KC/KKG/CB to KO Oden but Kaido doesnt need his best signature move
"stronger offense" my foot
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Nah Luffy is above Fuji, Kizaru, Mihawk in AP
50/50 with Kuzan and Shanks
Below Rocks duo, Teach and Akainu
Does this mean hell surpass oden and ryuma this arc
He might surpass Oden this arc. If Oda decides to forge a legend of Zoro as the Second Ryuma (plausible) then he would definitely surpass Oden.
I never said Ryuma can solo Kaido, I said Zoro would have to solo Kaido to surpass Ryuma. Ryuma is famed as the "Sword God" in Wano, he single handedly protected the country from the outside world and taught the fear of Samurai to the World Nobles and other outsiders (a fear that stayed Sakazuki's hand several centuries later). His most iconic legend was slaying a dragon over the capital of the country. For Zoro to surpass Ryuma in story, then he would need to accomplish a feat that supersedes his. Singlehandedly disposing of the dragon tyrant that has terrorised Wano for the last couple of decades and ending the perpetual nightmare the country has been living under is the only thing that can compare. That's an accomplishment that from a narrative point of view wouldn't be any inferior to Ryuma's.
Anyway, stop being so rigidly focused on your headcanon powerscaling. The moments Zoro surpasses Ryuma or Oden would be strong narrative moments that wouldn't pay much heed to your headcanon powerscaling. Crying that Oden is too strong for Zoro to surpass him now has little persuasion because Oda cares much more about the story than fannon powerscaling.
Anyway, stop being so rigidly focused on your headcanon powerscaling. The moments Zoro surpasses Ryuma or Oden would be strong narrative moments that wouldn't pay much heed to your headcanon powerscaling. Crying that Oden is too strong for Zoro to surpass him now has little persuasion because Oda cares much more about the story than fannon powerscaling.
Cutting kaido aint an inferior feat compared tp beheading a random dragon ~ beheading punk hazard dragon
Also its the stories of ryuma alongside oden that make even akainu question going to wano not only ryuma. The fact that its kaidos territory too doesn't help
Anyway, stop being so rigidly focused on your headcanon powerscaling. The moments Zoro surpasses Ryuma or Oden would be strong narrative moments that wouldn't pay much heed to your headcanon powerscaling. Crying that ryuma is too strong for Zoro to surpass him now has little persuasion because Oda cares much more about the story than fannon powerscaling.
Also its the stories of ryuma alongside oden that make even akainu question going to wano not only ryuma. The fact that its kaidos territory too doesn't help
Anyway, stop being so rigidly focused on your headcanon powerscaling. The moments Zoro surpasses Ryuma or Oden would be strong narrative moments that wouldn't pay much heed to your headcanon powerscaling. Crying that ryuma is too strong for Zoro to surpass him now has little persuasion because Oda cares much more about the story than fannon powerscaling.
You are talking about a strict powerscaling feat, I was most definitely not.
Ryuma slaying a dragon is so legendary that it's talked about several centuries later:
Even Wano outsiders like Dr. Hogback are aware of it:
Comparing the accomplishment to Zoro slaying the Punk Hazard Dragon (an accomplishment that did not inspire awe even in Punk Hazard let alone the wider world) and isn't talked about among the crew after the arc is asinine. Again, Stop being so tunnel minded on powerscaling. Ryuma slaying a dragon is a legendary, nay mythical feat, and the most iconic of the many legends of the "God of the Blade":
Why did you copy this verbatim?
It makes no sense juxtaposed with your previous statements.
Ryuma slaying a dragon is so legendary that it's talked about several centuries later:
Even Wano outsiders like Dr. Hogback are aware of it:
Comparing the accomplishment to Zoro slaying the Punk Hazard Dragon (an accomplishment that did not inspire awe even in Punk Hazard let alone the wider world) and isn't talked about among the crew after the arc is asinine. Again, Stop being so tunnel minded on powerscaling. Ryuma slaying a dragon is a legendary, nay mythical feat, and the most iconic of the many legends of the "God of the Blade":
Why did you copy this verbatim?
It makes no sense juxtaposed with your previous statements.
You are talking about a strict powerscaling feat, I was most definitely not.
Ryuma slaying a dragon is so legendary that it's talked about several centuries later:
Even Wano outsiders like Dr. Hogback are aware of it:
Comparing the accomplishment to Zoro slaying the Punk Hazard Dragon (an accomplishment that did not inspire awe even in Punk Hazard let alone the wider world) and isn't talked about among the crew after the arc is asinine. Again, Stop being so tunnel minded on powerscaling. Ryuma slaying a dragon is a legendary, nay mythical feat, and the most iconic of the many legends of the "God of the Blade":
Why did you copy this verbatim?
It makes no sense juxtaposed with your previous statements.
Ryuma slaying a dragon is so legendary that it's talked about several centuries later:
Even Wano outsiders like Dr. Hogback are aware of it:
Comparing the accomplishment to Zoro slaying the Punk Hazard Dragon (an accomplishment that did not inspire awe even in Punk Hazard let alone the wider world) and isn't talked about among the crew after the arc is asinine. Again, Stop being so tunnel minded on powerscaling. Ryuma slaying a dragon is a legendary, nay mythical feat, and the most iconic of the many legends of the "God of the Blade":
Why did you copy this verbatim?
It makes no sense juxtaposed with your previous statements.
Not really cutting kaido is as big if not a bigger accomplishment than cutting some random dragon imo
Unlike with ryuma oden had his whole legacy shit on and kept on the low.
If it wasn't for him giving up his reputation for the safety of his people man would likely be just as big a deal if not more.
Yeah most people dont get to do that especially with dragons being extinct im pretty sure. Its still impressive
And hog back has informantion on all his zombies
The dragon ryuma fought doesn't really have anything to put it above the one in punk hazard.
Also when have the strawhats really ever cared about feats. No one talks about king Kong gun, law cutting punk hazard, ect
God of the blade aint a level so we don't know how zoro compares to ryuma especially if he gets a black blade and slices kaido
Your sayin its too early for zoro to reach ryuma
while saying im wrong for doing it with oden
At the end of the day were both powerscaling
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If hes gonna prove himself to be the second coming of ryuma to all of wano why not?
I disagree.
Specifically, I think that for Zoro to surpass or match Ryuma's legend/accomplishments he would need to single handedly defeat Kaido. My reasons for that belief have nothing to do with where I place Ryuma and Kaido in my tier list, so not really.
Because that would require him soloing Kaido, and defeating Kaido is Luffy's job.
Specifically, I think that for Zoro to surpass or match Ryuma's legend/accomplishments he would need to single handedly defeat Kaido. My reasons for that belief have nothing to do with where I place Ryuma and Kaido in my tier list, so not really.
Because that would require him soloing Kaido, and defeating Kaido is Luffy's job.
Ryumas biggest feat has been beheading some random dragon and unlocking a black blade
Zoro has already done the fire and could even one up it by scaring kaido. Like cutty wax doesn't mean you can cut mr. 3 wax
And he might even get a black blade this arc
And even oden almost beat kaido so why doesn't zoro have to one up him and solo kaido to surpass him
Zoro has already done the fire and could even one up it by scaring kaido. Like cutty wax doesn't mean you can cut mr. 3 wax
And he might even get a black blade this arc
And even oden almost beat kaido so why doesn't zoro have to one up him and solo kaido to surpass him
