One Piece Chapter 1094: "Jay Garcia Saturn"
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There is nothing wrong with his CoO and upgrading it wouldn't change much of anything he is already at the height of the world in terms of stats.
His opponents are simply too fast as they should be, to be getting bullied by FS like a mere commander. We see that Kaido is too fast for Luffy’s FS twice, just because you can see the future doesn’t mean you can react in time.
Standard sensory CoO offers nothing but scoping out the area and detecting more people/incoming threats
His opponents are simply too fast as they should be, to be getting bullied by FS like a mere commander. We see that Kaido is too fast for Luffy’s FS twice, just because you can see the future doesn’t mean you can react in time.
Standard sensory CoO offers nothing but scoping out the area and detecting more people/incoming threats
I like how Kizaru doesn't give a fuck about a whole ass Yonko, D Clan headliner, Joyboy, Nika, once in a life time sight right in front of him and just focuses on his corporate task of killing VP
I used to think, wow Kizaru doesn't want that title, money, clout as a FA? during the Aokiji and Akainu fight
Now I get it, he just does not give a fuck about anything
Tragic
He might really be soulless, he grew up with Vegapunk and Sentomaru as well, but now their deaths are inconsequential
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I like how Kizaru doesn't give a fuck about a whole ass Yonko, D Clan headliner, Joyboy, Nika, once in a life time sight right in front of him and just focuses on his corporate task of killing VP
I used to think, wow Kizaru doesn't want that title, money, clout as a FA? during the Aokiji and Akainu fight
Now I get it, he just does not give a fuck about anything
Tragic
He might really be soulless, he grew up with Vegapunk and Sentomaru as well, but now their deaths are inconsequential
Oda could really write some beautiful, tragic nuance of how Kizaru is a "hollow man", a man "now a shadow of his former self", serving the World Government "blindly" (which is hilariously ironic as someone pointed out that Fujitora is the literally blind one but the most "woke", the one who sees the "truth" the most, the one most aware etc).
Imagine if he was a pacifista somehow? Or he just feels like one, relates to them? A man barely existing, masking his emptiness, his apathy/anhedonia by a nonchant/blasé attitude or trolling/snark at most?
His character fascinates me a lot and he's pretty hilarious when he wants to be or not even intentionally. Oda really humanised Kuzan even more lately, like he's been depicted in the past, especially in Film Z too and funnily enough, that film also added some nuance/depth to Kizaru too.
This is why I like the Admirals so much too, I don't support their agendas, their loyalty and subservience to the WG and whatever the WG makes them do, especially harming and killing civilians and doing corrupt things, rewriting/deleting history and such, but I really like them as characters, how nuanced they are, how Oda tries to humanise them and show them as not entirely evil or black or white, more gray area, more complex than that.
I feel he tried to do the same with Kaido and Big Mom but he really fucked it up imo. They were on the verges of truly being exceptional both of them and they should have been by all means, but Oda dropped the ball on them unfortunately. I think hes too biased with the Admirals too given what he's said about them in the past and thus who he's based them on especially.
I feel Blackbeard is the best contrast to Kizaru in many ways but he can also relate to him in some ways imo, I would have LOVED to see them clash and their personalities, their beliefs collide and we get deeper insights into their characters from their interactions, not to mention darkness and mr black holes vs the man of light itself.
I like how remorseful, apologetic he seems at times like here, almost like he doesnt want to be doing this, that he has to do this for whatever reasons he has, as part of some secret agenda/plan of his or that hes involved with others on or he feels trapped, that he has no choice, that he's helpless and he wishes he could be "free" and "feel joy again", to feel alive and human again like he did from his childhood, as evident from Odas childhood drawing of him too.
The WG really tries to make the Admirals into their emotionless, completely obedient super soldiers as IRL governments/dictators do with their militaries ofc and it also parallels Judge and how he treated his childen and his clone soldier army too ofc.
Stuff like this is why I do really enjoy following One Piece and still do to some degree, especially when I see posts like these that help me understand and appreciate the series better too.
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He might really be soulless, he grew up with Vegapunk and Sentomaru as well, but now their deaths are inconsequential
But your opponent will see you react/move and react accordingly, changing that "future" (= Katakuri attacked Sanji with a bean or something, but Sanji reacted to it and dodged it, surprising Katakuri, who despite seeing the future couldn't see Sanji's reaction to his Katakuri's attack until he had attacked himself).
If that happens during an exchange of attacks, the future will keep "changing" with way less than 10 seconds to react. Even for "dodging", if your opponent is too fast and has good reaction time he can redirect the attack accordingly and not let you dodge.
And it would be even worse with opponents actually faster than Luffy.
TL;DR: Seeing 10 seconds into the future gives an edge but it's not decisive, and can even be meaningless at certain speeds.
If that happens during an exchange of attacks, the future will keep "changing" with way less than 10 seconds to react. Even for "dodging", if your opponent is too fast and has good reaction time he can redirect the attack accordingly and not let you dodge.
And it would be even worse with opponents actually faster than Luffy.
TL;DR: Seeing 10 seconds into the future gives an edge but it's not decisive, and can even be meaningless at certain speeds.
There's a truly ironic darkness in such a "bright, light" man. Thats a great point. Maybe he's as "hollow" as the light itself? A true consequence of the merciless brainwashing of the Marines and WG? The ultimate soldier? He's more obedient than Akainu and thus loyal, although Akainu is extremely driven towards his targets/goals too.
Oda could really write some beautiful, tragic nuance of how Kizaru is a "hollow man", a man "now a shadow of his former self", serving the World Government "blindly" (which is hilariously ironic as someone pointed out that Fujitora is the literally blind one but the most "woke", the one who sees the "truth" the most, the one most aware etc).
Imagine if he was a pacifista somehow? Or he just feels like one, relates to them? A man barely existing, masking his emptiness, his apathy/anhedonia by a nonchant/blasé attitude or trolling/snark at most?
His character fascinates me a lot and he's pretty hilarious when he wants to be or not even intentionally. Oda really humanised Kuzan even more lately, like he's been depicted in the past, especially in Film Z too and funnily enough, that film also added some nuance/depth to Kizaru too.
This is why I like the Admirals so much too, I don't support their agendas, their loyalty and subservience to the WG and whatever the WG makes them do, especially harming and killing civilians and doing corrupt things, rewriting/deleting history and such, but I really like them as characters, how nuanced they are, how Oda tries to humanise them and show them as not entirely evil or black or white, more gray area, more complex than that.
I feel he tried to do the same with Kaido and Big Mom but he really fucked it up imo. They were on the verges of truly being exceptional both of them and they should have been by all means, but Oda dropped the ball on them unfortunately. I think hes too biased with the Admirals too given what he's said about them in the past and thus who he's based them on especially.
I feel Blackbeard is the best contrast to Kizaru in many ways but he can also relate to him in some ways imo, I would have LOVED to see them clash and their personalities, their beliefs collide and we get deeper insights into their characters from their interactions, not to mention darkness and mr black holes vs the man of light itself.
I like how remorseful, apologetic he seems at times like here, almost like he doesnt want to be doing this, that he has to do this for whatever reasons he has, as part of some secret agenda/plan of his or that hes involved with others on or he feels trapped, that he has no choice, that he's helpless and he wishes he could be "free" and "feel joy again", to feel alive and human again like he did from his childhood, as evident from Odas childhood drawing of him too.
The WG really tries to make the Admirals into their emotionless, completely obedient super soldiers as IRL governments/dictators do with their militaries ofc and it also parallels Judge and how he treated his childen and his clone soldier army too ofc.
Stuff like this is why I do really enjoy following One Piece and still do to some degree, especially when I see posts like these that help me understand and appreciate the series better too.
"Collateral Damage". In a way, he really parallels Kuma too, doesn't he?
Oda could really write some beautiful, tragic nuance of how Kizaru is a "hollow man", a man "now a shadow of his former self", serving the World Government "blindly" (which is hilariously ironic as someone pointed out that Fujitora is the literally blind one but the most "woke", the one who sees the "truth" the most, the one most aware etc).
Imagine if he was a pacifista somehow? Or he just feels like one, relates to them? A man barely existing, masking his emptiness, his apathy/anhedonia by a nonchant/blasé attitude or trolling/snark at most?
His character fascinates me a lot and he's pretty hilarious when he wants to be or not even intentionally. Oda really humanised Kuzan even more lately, like he's been depicted in the past, especially in Film Z too and funnily enough, that film also added some nuance/depth to Kizaru too.
This is why I like the Admirals so much too, I don't support their agendas, their loyalty and subservience to the WG and whatever the WG makes them do, especially harming and killing civilians and doing corrupt things, rewriting/deleting history and such, but I really like them as characters, how nuanced they are, how Oda tries to humanise them and show them as not entirely evil or black or white, more gray area, more complex than that.
I feel he tried to do the same with Kaido and Big Mom but he really fucked it up imo. They were on the verges of truly being exceptional both of them and they should have been by all means, but Oda dropped the ball on them unfortunately. I think hes too biased with the Admirals too given what he's said about them in the past and thus who he's based them on especially.
I feel Blackbeard is the best contrast to Kizaru in many ways but he can also relate to him in some ways imo, I would have LOVED to see them clash and their personalities, their beliefs collide and we get deeper insights into their characters from their interactions, not to mention darkness and mr black holes vs the man of light itself.
I like how remorseful, apologetic he seems at times like here, almost like he doesnt want to be doing this, that he has to do this for whatever reasons he has, as part of some secret agenda/plan of his or that hes involved with others on or he feels trapped, that he has no choice, that he's helpless and he wishes he could be "free" and "feel joy again", to feel alive and human again like he did from his childhood, as evident from Odas childhood drawing of him too.
The WG really tries to make the Admirals into their emotionless, completely obedient super soldiers as IRL governments/dictators do with their militaries ofc and it also parallels Judge and how he treated his childen and his clone soldier army too ofc.
Stuff like this is why I do really enjoy following One Piece and still do to some degree, especially when I see posts like these that help me understand and appreciate the series better too.
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"Collateral Damage". In a way, he really parallels Kuma too, doesn't he?
I have my fingers crossed that by the end of this arc, Kizaru fails all his objectives and he catches himself sighing in relief. The way Luffy and Kizaru have been talking during their conversation theres a genuine dialogue going on. And judging by Kizaru's reactions, Luffy's slowly chipping at the wall he's built. It'd be cool if the Straw Hats would be the ones to put light back in Kizaru's eyes and convince him to help the revs (through his VP/Kuma connections).
He needs an asswhooping for Sabaody-Marineford first though, I don't care if he just saw a pirate I'm still angry
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Lmao I completely agree about Kizaru. I would like it if he were purposely holding back and being "incompetent" as part of his agenda and internal conflict, like when he chose to shoot the key instead of killing Luffy or Ace or w/e.
He seemed to be holding back at Sabaody, someone as extremely fast as him and unstoppable, felt like he was toying with them, taking his sweet time, maybe on purpose to give them time to be saved by Kuma? Also him not even getting serious vs Rayleigh too.
Of course this is just headcanon but I'd like it to be true personally.
I do want to see him get his ass kicked for what happened on Sabaody and the trauma he caused but I'm willing to overlook it if Oda is gonna try to humanise and redeem him too. Akainu is the one who seriously needs to pay most of all, the most brutally along with Blackbeard too. (Also as a Kidd fan, Shanks too lololol).
Seriously though we've had this grudge match of Luffy and the SHs vs Kizaru setup for around 14 years or w/e and despite how much I love the dynamic of Luffy and Kizaru and monke vs monkey, I still want to see Kizaru ultimately get beaten and wrecked, but after a long fight, where both he and Luffy have gotten serious and all out against each other.
Luffy and Kaido did have a moment of bonding with each other, where they were both "having fun" and it seemed like Luffy might bring joy back into Kaidos life and even "Joyboy" but things didnt work out that way ultimately ofc. But I really like your idea about Kizaru and Luffy there too, I was thinking similar too, Luffy might be the one to bring back or give Kizaru his freedom, his Joy, his humanity again and maybe Kizaru might end up being killed or sacrificing himself to help Luffy, Vegapunk, Bonney and co, as in the trope Redemption by Death or maybe he doesn't die but he gets changed by Luffy and maybe becomes less loyal to the WG or even steps down to be replaced by another new Admiral, an Orange themed one hopefully lol.
Luffy and the SHs putting the metaphorical and thus somehow even literal light back into Kizarus eyes and life funnily enough would be so beautifully apt and poetic, I'd love that. Under different circumstances, Kizaru could have potentially been an ally or at least not an outright enemy?
It makes me think of that absolutely beautiful and wonderful moment of Luffy and Fujitora where Fujitora wonders what Luffys face looks like and bets he looks so kind, he made Fujitora laugh, smile and pretty much blush and humanised him so much more than he already was. It was such a profound and genuinely peak moment and I really enjoyed that dynamic between him and Luffy, including Luffy announcing his attacks to Fujitora, to give him a more "fair advantage" in their fight due to his blindness ofc.
I could not say it better than how you said anyway, I'm very curious and excited to see where Oda goes with this too! I really want Kizaru and Luffy to have an all out fight, including Kizaru using awakening too and some seriousness/drama/high emotions but also respect and even humour at some points too!
:cheers:
He seemed to be holding back at Sabaody, someone as extremely fast as him and unstoppable, felt like he was toying with them, taking his sweet time, maybe on purpose to give them time to be saved by Kuma? Also him not even getting serious vs Rayleigh too.
Of course this is just headcanon but I'd like it to be true personally.
I do want to see him get his ass kicked for what happened on Sabaody and the trauma he caused but I'm willing to overlook it if Oda is gonna try to humanise and redeem him too. Akainu is the one who seriously needs to pay most of all, the most brutally along with Blackbeard too. (Also as a Kidd fan, Shanks too lololol).
Seriously though we've had this grudge match of Luffy and the SHs vs Kizaru setup for around 14 years or w/e and despite how much I love the dynamic of Luffy and Kizaru and monke vs monkey, I still want to see Kizaru ultimately get beaten and wrecked, but after a long fight, where both he and Luffy have gotten serious and all out against each other.
Luffy and Kaido did have a moment of bonding with each other, where they were both "having fun" and it seemed like Luffy might bring joy back into Kaidos life and even "Joyboy" but things didnt work out that way ultimately ofc. But I really like your idea about Kizaru and Luffy there too, I was thinking similar too, Luffy might be the one to bring back or give Kizaru his freedom, his Joy, his humanity again and maybe Kizaru might end up being killed or sacrificing himself to help Luffy, Vegapunk, Bonney and co, as in the trope Redemption by Death or maybe he doesn't die but he gets changed by Luffy and maybe becomes less loyal to the WG or even steps down to be replaced by another new Admiral, an Orange themed one hopefully lol.
Luffy and the SHs putting the metaphorical and thus somehow even literal light back into Kizarus eyes and life funnily enough would be so beautifully apt and poetic, I'd love that. Under different circumstances, Kizaru could have potentially been an ally or at least not an outright enemy?
It makes me think of that absolutely beautiful and wonderful moment of Luffy and Fujitora where Fujitora wonders what Luffys face looks like and bets he looks so kind, he made Fujitora laugh, smile and pretty much blush and humanised him so much more than he already was. It was such a profound and genuinely peak moment and I really enjoyed that dynamic between him and Luffy, including Luffy announcing his attacks to Fujitora, to give him a more "fair advantage" in their fight due to his blindness ofc.
I could not say it better than how you said anyway, I'm very curious and excited to see where Oda goes with this too! I really want Kizaru and Luffy to have an all out fight, including Kizaru using awakening too and some seriousness/drama/high emotions but also respect and even humour at some points too!
:cheers:
What you say is true. But only if the speed difference is massive. Which on high level fights is not the case and it also depends on the type of speed. Kizaru is the fastes but only in straight lines. After he has started the attack he can not change direction as he is not agile. If you doge the moment he starts the attack than he can not hit you. High speed also makes changing movements mid way difficult as the amount of energy needed for it is higher.