General & Others Kizaru vs Luffy: An Agendaless View
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It's G5 time limit lol, it has nothing to do with the energy he used. If he used that attack at the beginning of the fight Kizaru would have been knocked out and Luffy would still end up in the same state.
Luffy will stand up before Kizaru. I am confident about that.
Why are you guys ignoring the zero damage made by Kizaru? He did nothing to Luffy. Zero damage.
Luffy will stand up before Kizaru. I am confident about that.
Why are you guys ignoring the zero damage made by Kizaru? He did nothing to Luffy. Zero damage.
Goofy as lame as he has been has proven his growth, defeating Kizaru serves zero purpose he won't get anything out of it besides maybe a bounty boost even then Saturn would give him biggest increase. Kizaru should be Zoro fight but of course most will resist it since they hate the idea of Zoro fighting top tier so soon 
Goofy as lame as he has been has proven his growth, defeating Kizaru serves zero purpose he won't get anything out of it besides maybe a bounty boost even then Saturn would give him biggest increase. Kizaru should be Zoro fight but of course most will resist it since they hate the idea of Zoro fighting top tier so soon
Goofy as lame as he has been has proven his growth, defeating Kizaru serves zero purpose he won't get anything out of it besides maybe a bounty boost even then Saturn would give him biggest increase. Kizaru should be Zoro fight but of course most will resist it since they hate the idea of Zoro fighting top tier so soon
Problem is Zoro has to get closer to Mihawk who is yonko level and who is sitting at 3.59b. Zoro is only at 1.111b right now. It's not that Kizaru is weak that he'd lose to Zoro, it's that Zoro has to surpass Kizaru to get closer to Mihawk. If it happens here, then it'll happen. I have always put the admirals between the yonko and YC1. Zoro surpassing Kizaru would be the next step before surpassing Mihawk (yonko level).
Now, Kizaru is a logia devil fruit user and not a swordsman.
Anyway, I don't believe anything of that yet.
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Gear 5 is Temporary regardless of who Luffy Fights
If Luffy Defeats Jango with Gear 5 & then He gets exhausted, does that mean Luffy vs Jango was a Draw? Ofc not
No need to Cope, Kizaru was taken out with a Single Attack from Gear 5 & was rendered unable to move or continue Fighting.
Luffy simply ran out of Gear 5, just like He would even if He was fighting no one & only uses it to lift something or fly somewhere
Kizaru was 100% Defeated
Luffy wasn't
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One thing is Clear though:
Gear 5 + CoC > Gear 4 + CoC > Gear 2/3 + CoC > Gear 5 > Gear 4 > Gear 3/2
Without CoC, Luffy cannot Defeat Kizaru or any Admiral regardless of which Gear He uses (Unless 5 wasn't Temporary, but for now it is).
But when using CoC, Luffy gets the upper hand, in other words:
Gear 5 + CoC >> Admirals
Gear 4 + CoC >~ Admirals
Gear 2/3 + CoC ~ Admirals
Admirals >~ Gear 5 (No CoC)
Admirals >> Gear 4 (No CoC)
Admirals >>> Gear 2/3 (No CoC)
That's exactly what Luffy vs Kizaru showcased
Luffy can't face Kizaru with Gear 2/3, but even Gear 4 was still much Weaker, however Gear 5 was finally comparable but due to being Temporary, it would eventually Lose
However when Luffy decided to use CoC, Gear 5 One-Shot Kizaru meaning it's too much for him, so Gear 4 + CoC would be a much harder Win for Luffy, and Kizaru is simply Same Level as Gear 2/3 CoC Luffy (Same Luffy who made Kaidou finally consider him among Strongest)
If Luffy Defeats Jango with Gear 5 & then He gets exhausted, does that mean Luffy vs Jango was a Draw? Ofc not
No need to Cope, Kizaru was taken out with a Single Attack from Gear 5 & was rendered unable to move or continue Fighting.
Luffy simply ran out of Gear 5, just like He would even if He was fighting no one & only uses it to lift something or fly somewhere
Kizaru was 100% Defeated
Luffy wasn't
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One thing is Clear though:
Gear 5 + CoC > Gear 4 + CoC > Gear 2/3 + CoC > Gear 5 > Gear 4 > Gear 3/2
Without CoC, Luffy cannot Defeat Kizaru or any Admiral regardless of which Gear He uses (Unless 5 wasn't Temporary, but for now it is).
But when using CoC, Luffy gets the upper hand, in other words:
Gear 5 + CoC >> Admirals
Gear 4 + CoC >~ Admirals
Gear 2/3 + CoC ~ Admirals
Admirals >~ Gear 5 (No CoC)
Admirals >> Gear 4 (No CoC)
Admirals >>> Gear 2/3 (No CoC)
That's exactly what Luffy vs Kizaru showcased
Luffy can't face Kizaru with Gear 2/3, but even Gear 4 was still much Weaker, however Gear 5 was finally comparable but due to being Temporary, it would eventually Lose
However when Luffy decided to use CoC, Gear 5 One-Shot Kizaru meaning it's too much for him, so Gear 4 + CoC would be a much harder Win for Luffy, and Kizaru is simply Same Level as Gear 2/3 CoC Luffy (Same Luffy who made Kaidou finally consider him among Strongest)
Luffy in G5 has no problems catching up to Kizaru.
Even when Kizaru used his clones as a distraction , Luffy was able to intercept Kizaru's attack.
Luffy's single adv coc attack is enough to beat Kizaru.
For now Luffy seems much superior. Yes G5 time limit is a negative but other than that it is pretty meh for Kizaru.
I hope he shows awakening or new lethal abilities or admirals are finished.
Even when Kizaru used his clones as a distraction , Luffy was able to intercept Kizaru's attack.
Luffy's single adv coc attack is enough to beat Kizaru.
For now Luffy seems much superior. Yes G5 time limit is a negative but other than that it is pretty meh for Kizaru.
I hope he shows awakening or new lethal abilities or admirals are finished.
What’s wrong scared of my response?
but actually I’ve read it through and this time it isn’t as bad, I can somewhat agree with your post
however I disclose the “W” here, Luffy is in a worse condition than Zaru, to me it looked like a last min resort attack and if Luffy was still standing than that would’ve been a dub for sure
but actually I’ve read it through and this time it isn’t as bad, I can somewhat agree with your post
however I disclose the “W” here, Luffy is in a worse condition than Zaru, to me it looked like a last min resort attack and if Luffy was still standing than that would’ve been a dub for sure
Wow, I am more of a Luffy fan than an Admiral fan, you probably didn't see me making fun of Admiraltards when Beehive shit was going on.
The thing though is that in a fight if one is focused on stopping another and is targeting that guy while the other guy is just dodging the first attacks and focus on his objective than Luffy does look worse for himself but at the same time accomplishes his mission. Luffy's job was to protect VP from Kizaru and he did that but at the same time he himself is out of commission now. Kizaru on the other hand was focused on finishing his mission and was unable to do so due to Luffy stopping him, however, he is the one who looks in better condition at the moment.
The thing though is that in a fight if one is focused on stopping another and is targeting that guy while the other guy is just dodging the first attacks and focus on his objective than Luffy does look worse for himself but at the same time accomplishes his mission. Luffy's job was to protect VP from Kizaru and he did that but at the same time he himself is out of commission now. Kizaru on the other hand was focused on finishing his mission and was unable to do so due to Luffy stopping him, however, he is the one who looks in better condition at the moment.
Since you did quote all of that and reacted to it, feel free to answer it then. You responded to like 1 - 2 points and took that as the only argument.
If Saturn wasn't there it's SHP victory. You think the VAs stand a chance? In fact Pacifistas alone might have killed the Marines. Who knows if the usually side characters inside SHP would get any panels at all.
If Saturn wasn't there it's SHP victory. You think the VAs stand a chance? In fact Pacifistas alone might have killed the Marines. Who knows if the usually side characters inside SHP would get any panels at all.
Lol I am too lazy to shorten the quotes, I just quote the whole answer most of the time. I don't even know how to separate the quote in sections in the same post.
I already said that Luffy won the mission part, the problem though is that Kizaru is still in better condition than Luffy at the moment and there is a chance that he might get up.
I already said that Luffy won the mission part, the problem though is that Kizaru is still in better condition than Luffy at the moment and there is a chance that he might get up.
Even if Kizaru was in better condition, personally I wouldn't consider brain damage a better condition since it's very serious in real life, the SHP would have taken him hostage there's fuck all the WG could do about it.
Luffy deflated after figthing Kaido, but the battle was decided in Luffy's favour, you "i lean more towards Luffy" fan. Here the only thing that is protecting marines and Kizaru is Saturn.
Luffy deflated after figthing Kaido, but the battle was decided in Luffy's favour, you "i lean more towards Luffy" fan. Here the only thing that is protecting marines and Kizaru is Saturn.
As @RebelliousSoma said, if it wasn't for Saturn, the SHs would have already escaped and this wouldn't have been shocking at all.
