General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

This is straight up false. Read your precious book again. A false enemy is an ally who appears to be an enemy, or who the protagonist believes to be an enemy. If they are not actually an ally, it's not a false enemy, just an enemy who later switches sides.

The formulation is "in apperance, the character fight the hero (i'm translating from french) but he is in reality an ally.

Well this is still relevant for our case, its just a little bit more subtle and in this case a bit too fusy. But when you observe other story, you can actually see that a false adversary /ally can in fact be an ally hidding like Franky as an adversary..

The definition of Truby is therefore good, but too can lead to some missinterpretation like yours. That's why its better to clarified that a false ennemy is not necessarally an ally hidding in plain sigh. There is sometimes (most of the time) real conflict at play between the characters.

or who the protagonist believes to be an enemy.

No. Its about values.

And even if you were right, that rule still would have disqualified Franky during the beginning of Water 7

No. The revelation of a false adversary/ally can be done a little bit late in the story. And in that case, the story in not only water seven but Water seven + Ennies Lobby + water Seven again.

Any enemy can potentially change sides, so if that counts as a "false enemy" then it can't be used to disqualify any candidate, and therefore doesn't work as a rule.

Indeed, all ennemy can change side. But the reality of a false adversary is that their side changing for example in the case of Robin, is shadowed/foreshadowed first in the story. Ideally multiple times. It can also be done through the story like Franky.

Not sure Logico understands why he's right about this though, given the whole Franky thing.

sigh

 

[Warback]

The purpose of the concept of a false ally is that its a character that is an ally that transforms into an adversary, what Lucci did in waterseven. as for the false ennemy its the same but in the inverse. And Franky was always meant to be an ally just as Lucci was always meant to be an ennemy. Gosh.. this is tiring.

Yeah but again you keep droning on with non-sense, was Kaku a false ally? He barely interacted with any SH. What about Kalifa? Same for her. Oh they have some spat with Paulie aswell when he stole the cases of money is Paulie now in the fake enemy category?


Who are they a false ally to? Are you sugesting they were false allies to the SH or Galley Co? Because in either instance any of the Galley Co works we're not allies to the SH, they went to do bussiness and then proceeded to chase the SH because of Iceberg.
Like you just throw around concepts and force them together into your arguments.

And Franky just doesn't work at all, he was like Robin a pure adversary/enemy whatever you wanna call it, he instigated the events of Ussop leaving, there was an actual battle between his faction and the SHs, and only one arc later did he slowly and gradually started cooperating with them and started to like them. At no point was he "false" anything, he just gradually changed given the events that transpired.

Ironically a much better pick would be Nami or arguably Robin, since they actually had ulterior motives even tho it was co-erced. You could have just picked the obvious characters of Kanjuro (false ally) and Denjiro (false enemy), but that's too obvious and you have to force other characters into your theories to sound smart.


I don't know why you keep tagging people and me aswell, with your inane theories when i made a joke, just so we can hear another strings of "i'm right " assersations from you.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Oda doesn't have a checklist for crewmembers, I'm sorry thats just straight facts. His relationship to One Piece is too deeply emotional/personal for him to view new members in a cold logical way.

All nakama theories that don't take that into account, is missing the forest for the trees so to speak. The reason everyone's nakama theories devolve into hyper-specific requirements is because Oda doesn't have a pattern other than "I want to add another crewmate" and "The next crewmate has to be memorable". We've yet to see a "standard" manner of joining the Straw Hats and it's kind of silly to think we can figure out Oda's secret Nakama equation (that he most certainly doesn't have). By the end of the series we're going to have 50 different "rules" for new nakama that Oda NEVER used in his decision making process.

A new Straw Hat won't be a boring character, they will have some sort of bond to the SHs, and they'll have focus in their arc thats guaranteed. But the overarching narrative, the crews needs, and the characters motivations in general are the real indicators for a crew join at this late of a stage.

Which is why Kizaru will join the crew once he betrays the WG and has no choice but to scamper off with the Straw Hats. In this essay i will....

The biggest requirement will always be having a dream that involves sailing around the world.

Luffy wants to find the One Piece, so, he has to sail around the world.
Zoro wants to become the world's strongest swordsmen, so, he needed to leap out of the well he was in and go from a frog to a dragon
Nami wants to chart the entire world
Usopp wants to sail as a brave warrior of the seas
Sanji wants to find the All Blue, a mythical sea
Chopper wants to research medicine to be able to cure anyone and any disease
Robin wants to find the Rio Poneglyph and true history
Franky wants his ship the Sunny to sail around the entire world
Brook wants to go back around the world to see Laboon again
Jinbei wants to free Fishman Island, which requires the final war to defeat the Celestial Dragons, which requires the Straw Hats finding the One Piece

This is why most modern candidates didn't make sense, besides Carrot.

Kinemon and Momo, despite getting invites, need to rebuild Wano (Vivi parallel); their dream was to defeat Kaido.

Bonney's dream is now to avenge Kuma and destroy the World Government for enslaving him. This fits more with the Revs than the Straw Hats, since the Revs view the Gorosei as actual enemies.

Yamato's dream was to fulfill Oden's Will/go out to see, so she's stuck in Wano until Pluton is activated and the borders open, at which point she can go out to sea.

Carrot wanted to fulfill Pedro's Will, which was to bring about the Dawn, when Pedro wanted to sail with Roger. Since the Straw Hats are the ones who will bring about the Dawn, Carrot should sail with them, she needs to take care of Zou and rebuild it, like Momo and Vivi before them.

Tama's dream is to become an enchanting kunoichi, and sail with Ace, and now Luffy. She needs to learn Ninjitsu, and become older; so, probably a Shinobu age up if Tama's going to join, like with Momo.

Vivi's dreams were to protect her country Alabasta and sail with the Straw Hats. Now that she can no longer return to Alabasta as the World Government wants to kidnap/imprison her, Vivi is free to join the Straw Hats, and will show up in Chapter 1003, 1000 chapters after her debut in 103.

Lucci so far has no real basis to join the crew, since he has no dreams that we no one, and just wants to murder people. Until we see the flashback detailing what happened to CP9 in order to allow them to become CP0. Oda is clearly holding something back regarding Lucci.

Since CP0 reports directly to the Gorosei, and Lucci has failed to complete his assignment, when Zoro beats Lucci, I expect Saturn to give us some update on him, or have him state something that makes Lucci remember the time skip.

Since Vegapunk's goal is to give free energy to mankind, it's possible he or a Satellite joins the crew to search for ancient technology on Laugh Tale.

 

[DavyJones]

Funny but it doesn't disprove anything.

How am I to trust your system if you can't even properly parse a joke without treating it like a genuine part of my argument? And your telling me you can see the hidden sinew of Oda's story, and it definitely involves 10+ requirements for Nakama.

I'll be honest I think Oda's a skilled enough writer to not need stupid stuff like 10 pillars, or rules, or anything of the sort. I feel that similar to drawn artists who eventually grow past the need for construction, Oda is good enough with his characters that he can break past conventions if he feels like it.

Which he UNDENIABLY did with Robin, Franky , Jinbei, Nami. It's like you just can't understand that your system only works because we have 90% of the Straw Hats in the crew already (if not all of them). It's like saying "every Beatles member was white, male and nerdy looking" after the band formed. Hell you had 'IS ALIVE' as a requirement like as if anyone with a brain would think Ace was the last logia we'd get (and double ironic considering Brooks "Oh I'm already dead" running joke).

Each one has had different circumstances to them joining, and you take each of those unique ones and apply it to all of the strawhats. Leading to weak connections that yes, need to be squinted at to fit. Looking at "can't be a true enemy" because Franky was one, and Nami literally sold Luffy out to Buggy initially. Jinbei took a while to join, Ussop has unclear goals, hell Robin joined before Ennies Lobby.

It's almost like Oda wants the crew to be a diverse and complicated set of characters with various backgrounds and motivations for being on the crew. And that he usually tries to make each Straw Hat stand out from the rest in their introduction and doesn't want to reuse the same scenario more than once. It's almost like your system will fall apart the instant an available character that Oda really likes joins, and you will just bend rules and blow things out of proportion to make it fit your headcanon.

 

[Warback]

That said, @Warback he's actually right about Lucci being a false ally, since he pretended to be an ally while really being an enemy the whole time. Not sure Logico understands why he's right about this though, given the whole Franky thing.

Yeah but he's being super loose with the terms again, Lucci was just there in Water 7, he was never viewed as an ally to the SH, he's reducing this to the point where any character that is "not a bad guy" but turns out is "bad guy" is a a false ally, regardless of their connection to the SHs.

Again it's like saying was Tilestone an ally to the SH in water 7 at any point? He was just there.

Might aswell take it to the extreme, and say Crocodile fits that category because he was a "good guy" to Alasbata, yet the SH knew he was a villain all along.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Furrybros if the bat wings of stussy is not from a df, then she is a furry

 

[Warback]

Furrybros if the bat wings of stussy is not from a df, then she is a furry

Check with our resident furry to see if it works @Mr. Reloaded

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Check with our resident furry to see if it works @Mr. Reloaded

Conforming

 

[DavyJones]

The biggest requirement will always be having a dream that involves sailing around the world.

Luffy wants to find the One Piece, so, he has to sail around the world.
Zoro wants to become the world's strongest swordsmen, so, he needed to leap out of the well he was in and go from a frog to a dragon
Nami wants to chart the entire world
Usopp wants to sail as a brave warrior of the seas
Sanji wants to find the All Blue, a mythical sea
Chopper wants to research medicine to be able to cure anyone and any disease
Robin wants to find the Rio Poneglyph and true history
Franky wants his ship the Sunny to sail around the entire world
Brook wants to go back around the world to see Laboon again
Jinbei wants to free Fishman Island, which requires the final war to defeat the Celestial Dragons, which requires the Straw Hats finding the One Piece

This is why most modern candidates didn't make sense, besides Carrot.

Kinemon and Momo, despite getting invites, need to rebuild Wano (Vivi parallel); their dream was to defeat Kaido.

Bonney's dream is now to avenge Kuma and destroy the World Government for enslaving him. This fits more with the Revs than the Straw Hats, since the Revs view the Gorosei as actual enemies.

Yamato's dream was to fulfill Oden's Will/go out to see, so she's stuck in Wano until Pluton is activated and the borders open, at which point she can go out to sea.

Carrot wanted to fulfill Pedro's Will, which was to bring about the Dawn, when Pedro wanted to sail with Roger. Since the Straw Hats are the ones who will bring about the Dawn, Carrot should sail with them, she needs to take care of Zou and rebuild it, like Momo and Vivi before them.

Tama's dream is to become an enchanting kunoichi, and sail with Ace, and now Luffy. She needs to learn Ninjitsu, and become older; so, probably a Shinobu age up if Tama's going to join, like with Momo.

Vivi's dreams were to protect her country Alabasta and sail with the Straw Hats. Now that she can no longer return to Alabasta as the World Government wants to kidnap/imprison her, Vivi is free to join the Straw Hats, and will show up in Chapter 1003, 1000 chapters after her debut in 103.

Lucci so far has no real basis to join the crew, since he has no dreams that we no one, and just wants to murder people. Until we see the flashback detailing what happened to CP9 in order to allow them to become CP0. Oda is clearly holding something back regarding Lucci.

Since CP0 reports directly to the Gorosei, and Lucci has failed to complete his assignment, when Zoro beats Lucci, I expect Saturn to give us some update on him, or have him state something that makes Lucci remember the time skip.

Since Vegapunk's goal is to give free energy to mankind, it's possible he or a Satellite joins the crew to search for ancient technology on Laugh Tale.

I'm sorry but Carrots dream of the new Dawn most likely doesnt set her up to join the crew. Pedro wanted to lead his people to the new dawn, and Carrot cannot do that while playing pirate with the Straw Hats. She will help bring the new dawn by leading the Minks in the battle under the Straw Hats flag. I mean I doubt the minks miss the final war, and it's fitting to have a younger member to lead the Minks into the dawn.

That and it'd be a shame to have her character be so selfish, the Minks need a leader now and she's the popular choice. It'd be like vivi abandoning Alabasta to go be a pirate. Especially when Carrot didn't have as big of a desire to join the crew as Vivi did or the support of her subjects like Franky/Jinbei did.

I will also point out that Robin joined the crew before having her dream fully stated or established. She was basically surviving and getting poneglyph scraps until Ennies Lobby where the Straw Hats gave her the will to fully commit to it. So that requalifies Carrot in the event of her undergoing an Oden "its too cramped" arc.

To be clear I agree on that "requirement", but I feel that the dream can be VERY fast and loose. For example Ussops unclear dream, Jinbeis society dream, and Sanjis impossible dream of the All Blue.

 

[Logiko]

was Kaku a false ally?

Yup he was.

What about Kalifa?

Same

What is interesting its that the group was treated like a protagonist, its the group itself that turned on the character more than the characters themself

Oh they have some spat with Paulie aswell when he stole the cases of money is Paulie now in the fake enemy category?

No, this is just an ally with a grudge.

Who are they a false ally to? Are you sugesting they were false allies to the SH or Galley Co?

I don't understand your questin. A character is not "false ally " to someone, he IS a false ally OF someone.

Like you just throw around concepts and force them together into your arguments.

If you say so.

And Franky just doesn't work at all, he was like Robin a pure adversary/enemy whatever you wanna call it

No. In some plot points for a moment yes, not in the over all story. In fact Robin act as an ally the first time we see her go check it out. Chapter 114 ("the road")

At no point was he "false" anything, he just gradually changed given the events that transpired.

False ennemy and False Ally are STORYTELLING terms. It doesn't take the narration into account. Those are TOOLS to helps the writer write his story and keep their characters in check.

Ironically a much better pick would be Nami or arguably Robin

Nami became a false ennemy during her story yes.

You could have just picked the obvious characters of Kanjuro (false ally) and Denjiro (false enemy)

Indeed. Those are indeed false ally and false ennemy.

but that's too obvious and you have to force other characters into your theories to sound smart.

We are talking about the strawhat so I don't see why I would take non strawhat in the debate lol

The biggest requirement will always be having a dream that involves sailing around the world.

That's is but a desire. A lot of character have dreams in One Piece. And the dreams of the strawhat don't necessaraly mean that they must sail the seas.

How am I to trust your system if you can't even properly parse a joke without treating

Dude, there is a guy saying seriously that Lucci will join. Why should I think that you saying that Kizaru will join is a joke ?xD

I'll be honest I think Oda's a skilled enough writer to not need stupid stuff like 10 pillars, or rules, or anything of the sort. I feel that similar to drawn artists who eventually grow past the need for construction, Oda is good enough with his characters that he can break past conventions if he feels like it.

The most probable thing is that Oda interiozed already all those concept into his writing. And don't have any rule. Those are just part of his logic when he writes. This is the simplest explanation.

Oda is good enough with his characters that he can break past conventions if he feels like it.

Why would he need to break convention with the strawhats ? The strawhats are themself breaking the convention of regular character in storytelling.

It's like you just can't understand that your system only works because we have 90% of the Straw Hats in the crew already (if not all of them)

Maybe. I'm just looking at the strawhat and analysing why there are those pattern. The conclusion was that those patern are important for the story.

"every Beatles member was white, male and nerdy looking"

Does this have an impact on the storytelling ?

Leading to weak connections that yes, need to be squinted at to fit. Looking at "can't be a true enemy" because Franky was one, and Nami literally sold Luffy out to Buggy initially. Jinbei took a while to join, Ussop has unclear goals, hell Robin joined before Ennies Lobby.

Hence why I'm not taking those circounstances into account.

It's almost like your system will fall apart the instant an available character that Oda really likes joins, and you will just bend rules and blow things out of proportion to make it fit your headcanon.

We will see. Or not as I think that the strawhat crew is most likely complete.

Lucci was just there in Water 7, he was never viewed as an ally to the SH

False ally are not about what the characters are viewed as by the protagonist but how are they viewed by the readers.

Might aswell take it to the extreme, and say Crocodile fits that category because he was a "good guy" to Alasbata, yet the SH knew he was a villain all along.

Funny thing is that he was not. Crocodile acted as an antagonist EVEN during the alliance. Remember when Luffy had to stop him from hurting WB ?

Overall I think the concept of False Ally and false adversary would need to be ddiged a little bit deeper in storytelling theory because there are a lot of cases of different characters.

 

[DavyJones]

Yup he was.

The most probable thing is that Oda interiozed already all those concept into his writing. And don't have any rule. Those are just part of his logic when he writes. This is the simplest explanation.

Why would he need to break convention with the strawhats ? The strawhats are themself breaking the convention of regular character in storytelling.

Does this have an impact on the storytelling ?

The simplest explaination is the one that requires dozens of paragraphs talking about shining nakama moments, 10 pillars for strawhat eligibility, False allies/enemies parrallels and a bunch of other stuff that just fits under "character who isn't boring". Sure buddy.


Oda doesnt actually have to break convention, because again, he doesn't keep any of the rules you have in mind when deciding who joins.

Finally, I have no clue how you struggled with the beatles comparison. I'm saying that you made a bunch of surface level observations/comparisons of the current crew and assumed they were all hard requirements.

Here's my list of requirements that they all fill: 1. Not a celestial dragon, 2. not a logia, 3. Were not boring in there arc, 4. They all wore footwear at some point, 5. they all sailed on the sunny.... I can do this for literal hours and it will not produce a workable theory for who is up next.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I'm sorry but Carrots dream of the new Dawn most likely doesnt set her up to join the crew. Pedro wanted to lead his people to the new dawn, and Carrot cannot do that while playing pirate with the Straw Hats. She will help bring the new dawn by leading the Minks in the battle under the Straw Hats flag. I mean I doubt the minks miss the final war, and it's fitting to have a younger member to lead the Minks into the dawn.

That and it'd be a shame to have her character be so selfish, the Minks need a leader now and she's the popular choice. It'd be like vivi abandoning Alabasta to go be a pirate. Especially when Carrot didn't have as big of a desire to join the crew as Vivi did or the support of her subjects like Franky/Jinbei did.

I will also point out that Robin joined the crew before having her dream fully stated or established. She was basically surviving and getting poneglyph scraps until Ennies Lobby where the Straw Hats gave her the will to fully commit to it. So that requalifies Carrot in the event of her undergoing an Oden "its too cramped" arc.

To be clear I agree on that "requirement", but I feel that the dream can be VERY fast and loose. For example Ussops unclear dream, Jinbeis society dream, and Sanjis impossible dream of the All Blue.

Keep in mind I fully expect Zunesha to die and the Minks to migrate to Zou.

Honestly, Neku and Inu are the ones being selfish, expecting a 15-year-old to co-lead a country. Wanda's MUCH, MUCH more suited for the role.

Carrot has constantly proven that she's overemotional and often flies off the handle when things go south. Her attack on Katakuri was a horrible decision, and Carrot blaming Perospero for Pedro blowing himself up proves she's willing to accept her own delusions over reality. Pedro knew the moment he entered Big Mom's territory he might need to sacrifice himself, he knew that invading a Yonkou's territory was a dangerous choice.

Robin stated she wanted to find the true history before she joined, I think. Yeah, it's just Oda put it in a flashback after Alabasta, she already had the dream.

 

[DavyJones]

Keep in mind I fully expect Zunesha to die and the Minks to migrate to Zou.

Honestly, Neku and Inu are the ones being selfish, expecting a 15-year-old to co-lead a country. Wanda's MUCH, MUCH more suited for the role.

Carrot has constantly proven that she's overemotional and often flies off the handle when things go south. Her attack on Katakuri was a horrible decision, and Carrot blaming Perospero for Pedro blowing himself up proves she's willing to accept her own delusions over reality. Pedro knew the moment he entered Big Mom's territory he might need to sacrifice himself, he knew that invading a Yonkou's territory was a dangerous choice.

Robin stated she wanted to find the true history before she joined, I think. Yeah, it's just Oda put it in a flashback after Alabasta, she already had the dream.

Wait Carrot is 15?! Who the fuck puts a child in charge of a country? I thought her role was closer to head gaurdsman but yeah Queen of Zou was silly and really shouldn't last for her.

And now that you mention Zuniesha dying, I also feel they'll migrate to Wano. Which I guess does put her back in the running, but Bonney and Yamato are still further ahead than her.

Not like any of them can move faster than the speed of light that is. K4N

 

[Kurozumi D. Trussop]

You guys are wasting your time argueing about things that are ultimately completely irrelevant.

The fact of the matter is;

 

[Warback]

Yup he was.


Same

What is interesting its that the group was treated like a protagonist, its the group itself that turned on the character more than the characters themself



No, this is just an ally with a grudge.



I don't understand your questin. A character is not "false ally " to someone, he IS a false ally OF someone.



If you say so.


No. In some plot points for a moment yes, not in the over all story. In fact Robin act as an ally the first time we see her go check it out. Chapter 114 ("the road")



False ennemy and False Ally are STORYTELLING terms. It doesn't take the narration into account. Those are TOOLS to helps the writer write his story and keep their characters in check.



Nami became a false ennemy during her story yes.


Indeed. Those are indeed false ally and false ennemy.



We are talking about the strawhat so I don't see why I would take non strawhat in the debate lol



That's is but a desire. A lot of character have dreams in One Piece. And the dreams of the strawhat don't necessaraly mean that they must sail the seas.



Dude, there is a guy saying seriously that Lucci will join. Why should I think that you saying that Kizaru will join is a joke ?xD



The most probable thing is that Oda interiozed already all those concept into his writing. And don't have any rule. Those are just part of his logic when he writes. This is the simplest explanation.



Why would he need to break convention with the strawhats ? The strawhats are themself breaking the convention of regular character in storytelling.



Maybe. I'm just looking at the strawhat and analysing why there are those pattern. The conclusion was that those patern are important for the story.


Does this have an impact on the storytelling ?



Hence why I'm not taking those circounstances into account.



We will see. Or not as I think that the strawhat crew is most likely complete.





False ally are not about what the characters are viewed as by the protagonist but how are they viewed by the readers.



Funny thing is that he was not. Crocodile acted as an antagonist EVEN during the alliance. Remember when Luffy had to stop him from hurting WB ?

Overall I think the concept of False Ally and false adversary would need to be ddiged a little bit deeper in storytelling theory because there are a lot of cases of different characters.

Yeah it's like i said you view any character that's a good guy that turns out to be a bad guy to be this false whatever.

I guess you think Blueno is an false ally, this random character that showed up once before being revelead to be a villain.

Again like i said completly loose with terms

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Wait Carrot is 15?! Who the fuck puts a child in charge of a country? I thought her role was closer to head gaurdsman but yeah Queen of Zou was silly and really shouldn't last for her.

And now that you mention Zuniesha dying, I also feel they'll migrate to Wano. Which I guess does put her back in the running, but Bonney and Yamato are still further ahead than her.

Not like any of them can move faster than the speed of light that is. K4N

Well that's why Carrot fans still hold on to something else happening, because it ended in a non-sense cliffhanger. It wasn't a bad ending in the sense that the character got fucked like a Kid, it would be as if Yamato got told she was going to be shogun she says "wuh?" and then cut off her for the next 100 chapters.

It's just non-sense, it always has been

 

[DavyJones]

Yeah it's like i said you view any character that's a good guy that turns out to be a bad guy to be this false whatever.

I guess you think Blueno is an false ally, this random character that showed up once before being revelead to be a villain.

Again like i said completly loose with terms

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Well that's why Carrot fans still hold on to something else happening, because it ended in a non-sense cliffhanger. It wasn't a bad ending in the sense that the character got fucked like a Kid, it would be as if Yamato got told she was going to be shogun she says "wuh?" and then cut off her for the next 100 chapters.

It's just non-sense, it always has been

Well I just hope if she doesn't join, she just gets a character arc where she learns the maturity needed of a leader. I mean Momo (whose 8) has the same character arc set up for him, so maybe they even parallel eachother in that way. With granpa Kozuki, and Wanda serving as mentor/advisors.

Especially fitting since their peoples are closely intertwined as well. But really thats just hoping Oda does something with her.

 

[Warback]

Well I just hope if she doesn't join, she just gets a character arc where she learns the maturity needed of a leader. I mean Momo (whose 8) has the same character arc set up for him, so maybe they even parallel eachother in that way. With granpa Kozuki, and Wanda serving as mentor/advisors.

Especially fitting since their peoples are closely intertwined as well. But really thats just hoping Oda does something with her.

I doubt it will happen, this was the weirdest Oda writting ever imo, he even made a point to remind us of Pedro's dream, which had nothing with the outcome.

At least with Yamato ending it was jsut an ass pull that made some sense

 

[DavyJones]

I doubt it will happen, this was the weirdest Oda writting ever imo, he even made a point to remind us of Pedro's dream, which had nothing with the outcome.

At least with Yamato ending it was jsut an ass pull that made some sense

If I'm honest I feel it has to do with an editors prodding similarly to Yamato. There's just a portion of both their stories that feels very inorganic.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Everything written about Yamato was one where she joins the crew and sails the open sea; free from the shackles that bound her.
But alas; Some crooked writing dashed that prospect... can only hope she'll join later.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Wait Carrot is 15?! Who the fuck puts a child in charge of a country? I thought her role was closer to head gaurdsman but yeah Queen of Zou was silly and really shouldn't last for her.

And now that you mention Zuniesha dying, I also feel they'll migrate to Wano. Which I guess does put her back in the running, but Bonney and Yamato are still further ahead than her.

Not like any of them can move faster than the speed of light that is. K4N

LOL that reaction made me crack up. Carrot being co-Queen would be okay if she actually was interested and Neku and Inu were staying to teach her. Like, fuck, just park Zou outside of Wano, and go back and forth.

Momo's 8, yeah, but he comes from a country where royalty runs the government, and he has Sukiyaki, the former Shogun, Hiyori, Kinemon, and Denjiro to help him when it comes to managing things.

Neku and Inu are just like "Hey, teenage rabbit, take over this country, we're retiring to Wano." LIKE, NO, MAN, WTF?!?!? Adults in this series are horrible at taking responsibility at times.

Wizaru will find a way. I think Bonney's going to the Revs because her enemy is the Celestial Dragons, just like Dragon/Sabo. But, I really like Bonney now, and would like her to sail with the crew. Yamato's a lock, it's just annoying she got left behind. Oda's just invested way too much narrative space into Yamato and Vivi to leave them behind. Carrot got a bit less, but, still, she had a tragic mentor death involving a guy who wanted to help find the One Piece, and Inherited Pedro's Will in the process.

Characters who sail on the Sunny for a good period of time and act as a part of the crew at that time generally have good chances in One Piece. Either way, those characters become big parts of the plot, if not Nakama. Look at Law.

Do you have any idea how much Usopp fans wish Usopp got what Law got in this series????????

Just becoming Nakama doesn't even mean you'll get better screen time. Chopper HAD WAY MORE impact back in the day. But, as characters like Law and Yamato began showing up, his screen time and presence just died at times.

Even if Yamato does join soon, Yamato has so little connection to crew members outside of Luffy (and technically Momo, I guess), that it's going to be hard to integrate her in naturally. Carrot and Vivi don't have that problem since they're already familiar with most of the Straw Hats, with Vivi not knowing Jinbei, Franky, and Brook, and having known Robin only as an enemy.

Even if Yamato spent a bunch of time hanging out with the crew post-Raid, we barely saw any of that. Wish the anime had filler of Yamato interacting with the other crew members while Luffy and Zoro were out.