General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
What are you talking about. Her entire role in Onigashima was defending and attending to Momo. Of course that’s what she was going to do after the war otherwise she would’ve been fighting alongside the straw hats in Onigashima like Franky was in Ennies Lobby, Brook in Thriller Bark, or Jinbe in Fishman Island.
You may probably ask @Shimotsuki Ghostly for more context as they found that picture for me, but I see see it as the bat being obnoxious af and the guy being fed up with the bat and it bs 
But Yamato was fighting alongside the straw hats in Onigashima, all of the ally characters were fighting it was a war lol.
And jimbei didn't even fight in Fishman Island, neither did Nami or Robin. You can say that Yamato defending Momo was evidence of her staying sure, but it's all flimsy either way.
And jimbei didn't even fight in Fishman Island, neither did Nami or Robin. You can say that Yamato defending Momo was evidence of her staying sure, but it's all flimsy either way.
She wasn’t. She was just protecting Momo for ninety percent of it and literally her biggest connection in Wano was Momo.
Of course she was staying in wano. It’s like how people said carrot was staying in zou because she was constantly being connected with the minks rather than the straw hats. Oda did the same thing with Yamato with Momo
Of course she was staying in wano. It’s like how people said carrot was staying in zou because she was constantly being connected with the minks rather than the straw hats. Oda did the same thing with Yamato with Momo
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I'll send you the first chapter in a while (remind me if I don't).
Cute characters and cute animal mascot companions sell the MERCH, though they don't get their animals/Familiars until the 4th book.
Funny, that's how I feel talking with some of you guys...
How can you tell ? There is absolutely no clue leading us to think that and Yamato actually choose to stay so... how can you tell ?
No, its ALSO about VIVI because its the SAME exact choice.
If you think Yamato wants more to go out to sea than stay then you also think Vivi wants more to go out to sea than stay. There is absolutely NO difference between the storyline (aside from their nature)
I didn't say that he can't do it, I said that he will take take, more time than the end of the series.
No, he just express one of Yamato's desire. Her real choice was made. I'm talking about a storytelling choice here.
Those are different cases. With Jinbe, Oda clearly stated that he has something to do and that he would rejoin them later. So there was REASON to believe that Jinbe would come back. This is not the case of Yamato. Her actual storyline is over. Sorry mate. The hard choice was made and in storytelling, that's a finish line.
No matter what you can say.
Yes he does. That's basic. Storyline are completely closed most of the time. When a character return (Vivi for example) a NEW storyline is created.
not at all, one is a promise, the other is just the expression of something she would love.
Because those are incomparable. There was a clear promise with Jinbe to return and NONE with Yamato and Vivi. Just a "will you still consider me your nakama?" which is NOT a promise.
You can, it will just be a little bit harder. And less accurate.
The thing is, this is a strawman and not my actual argument.
Hence a logical fallacy
I never said that we know Yamato chose what she wanted most by staying because the story was over, but we know the story is over because we now she chose, hence only your second sentence is correct.
In storytelling, when a character makes the hardest choice possible, its the end of its character arc. There is no getting around it and you should know that.
How can you tell that her desire to sail with the strawhat is stronger than her desire to help Momo ? There are absolutely no clue telling us that in the story.
You guys are completely bias.
No she didn't, she fought alongside Momo and for the sake of Onigashima, not with the strawhats.
I proved that here:
How can you tell ? There is absolutely no clue leading us to think that and Yamato actually choose to stay so... how can you tell ?
No, its ALSO about VIVI because its the SAME exact choice.
If you think Yamato wants more to go out to sea than stay then you also think Vivi wants more to go out to sea than stay. There is absolutely NO difference between the storyline (aside from their nature)
I didn't say that he can't do it, I said that he will take take, more time than the end of the series.
No, he just express one of Yamato's desire. Her real choice was made. I'm talking about a storytelling choice here.
Those are different cases. With Jinbe, Oda clearly stated that he has something to do and that he would rejoin them later. So there was REASON to believe that Jinbe would come back. This is not the case of Yamato. Her actual storyline is over. Sorry mate. The hard choice was made and in storytelling, that's a finish line.
No matter what you can say.
Yes he does. That's basic. Storyline are completely closed most of the time. When a character return (Vivi for example) a NEW storyline is created.
not at all, one is a promise, the other is just the expression of something she would love.
Because those are incomparable. There was a clear promise with Jinbe to return and NONE with Yamato and Vivi. Just a "will you still consider me your nakama?" which is NOT a promise.
You can, it will just be a little bit harder. And less accurate.
The thing is, this is a strawman and not my actual argument.
Hence a logical fallacyI never said that we know Yamato chose what she wanted most by staying because the story was over, but we know the story is over because we now she chose, hence only your second sentence is correct.
In storytelling, when a character makes the hardest choice possible, its the end of its character arc. There is no getting around it and you should know that.
How can you tell that her desire to sail with the strawhat is stronger than her desire to help Momo ? There are absolutely no clue telling us that in the story.
You guys are completely bias.
No she didn't, she fought alongside Momo and for the sake of Onigashima, not with the strawhats.
I proved that here:
I showed you the panel, where she says "I really want to go out to see with you'. I mean how much clearer can she be? You asking me is like me asking you, how can you tell that she doesn't want to go to see? We are talking about a fictional character. What she says is what she means.
Yes and no. One yes I do believe that if given the choice completely free of burden Vivi would like to sail with the Strawhats and would have done so. How are their cases different? Vivi is the Princess of Alabasta and actually the queen now that Cobra is dead. Even if she sails with the Strawhats, she has to return and rule as no one else can. She doesn't have any siblings like Lily did 800 years ago. And we have seen that Vivi is not one to run from her responsibilities. After she can go back because the WG is defeated, she must go back.
Yamato on the other hand is not the ruler of Wano. That is Momo. After Momo is strong enough to protect Wano together with his samurai, she is free to sail with Luffy and co. Big difference.
No! This has to happen before the borders of Wano get open. Also, Momo has to surpass Oden before the end of the series. He said he would do it. And we will be there to see that glorious day.
Yamato doesn't make storytelling choices. Oda the writer does. And he made the choice to put that panel in and that for a reason. The first rule of writing. If something is shown there is a reason why it is shown. If Oda made a storytelling choice and that is to leave Yamato on Wano and end her story there then the goodbye scene would have been enough. Why bother showing that panel after the straw hats have already set sail from Wano? Because it tells us her real desire to sail with the straw hats.
The above reason proves that it is the same.
I felt yesterday that we were actually having a debate and trying to listen and understand each other's reasons. I feel like today you just want to be right. If you want to argue than let me know. Cuz I will not continue. If you want to have a normal debate, then yes.
Yes and no. One yes I do believe that if given the choice completely free of burden Vivi would like to sail with the Strawhats and would have done so. How are their cases different? Vivi is the Princess of Alabasta and actually the queen now that Cobra is dead. Even if she sails with the Strawhats, she has to return and rule as no one else can. She doesn't have any siblings like Lily did 800 years ago. And we have seen that Vivi is not one to run from her responsibilities. After she can go back because the WG is defeated, she must go back.
Yamato on the other hand is not the ruler of Wano. That is Momo. After Momo is strong enough to protect Wano together with his samurai, she is free to sail with Luffy and co. Big difference.
No! This has to happen before the borders of Wano get open. Also, Momo has to surpass Oden before the end of the series. He said he would do it. And we will be there to see that glorious day.
Yamato doesn't make storytelling choices. Oda the writer does. And he made the choice to put that panel in and that for a reason. The first rule of writing. If something is shown there is a reason why it is shown. If Oda made a storytelling choice and that is to leave Yamato on Wano and end her story there then the goodbye scene would have been enough. Why bother showing that panel after the straw hats have already set sail from Wano? Because it tells us her real desire to sail with the straw hats.
The above reason proves that it is the same.
I felt yesterday that we were actually having a debate and trying to listen and understand each other's reasons. I feel like today you just want to be right. If you want to argue than let me know. Cuz I will not continue. If you want to have a normal debate, then yes.
