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Why do extremists always find ways to exploit conflicts?
Yes makes a lot of sense. Sounds like what Murica is doing. Murica best country in the world.
Don't you know? Leaving the trenches of France and the shit holes of of Germany, to go fight in lands hundreds of miles away is defence. Especially lands that didn't or doesn't belong to you.
Makes sense to me
Makes sense to me
Notice that I'm not comparing here. I know that suffering are relative. I'm only saying that there is a point of suffering when no human is immune to becoming a monster. None.
I hope you got better
In a conflict you must ALWAYS look at WHO has the power. it works as much as military that human conflict. When a kid make a very big mistake, the one with the power is not the kid, so the kid even tho he made a mistake should not be beaten.
You know the sentence :"with great power, comes great responsibilities".
When you have the power, you have the responsibility of your answer. Yes, victims on the israelian side are sad, noone is saying the opposite, but the answer is NOT to act as you have the same power as the other guy, you don't. IDF has military and the atomic power. Hamas doesn't and is very ... very small in comparison. So even then, you must act accordingly. Or its being a fool in the game.
No one is evil. We only do evil things.
Justification doesn't mean forgiveness. We MUST understand the problem to face it or we will redraw the circle of hate again and again and again.
No.
First step toward fascism: dehumanization of the ennemy
And this is sad, but you are still alive. Those guys are waiting death right now.
I don't care about their ideology I only care about their actions right now. We are not in a position to discuss ideology here.
I hope you got better
In a conflict you must ALWAYS look at WHO has the power. it works as much as military that human conflict. When a kid make a very big mistake, the one with the power is not the kid, so the kid even tho he made a mistake should not be beaten.
You know the sentence :"with great power, comes great responsibilities".
When you have the power, you have the responsibility of your answer. Yes, victims on the israelian side are sad, noone is saying the opposite, but the answer is NOT to act as you have the same power as the other guy, you don't. IDF has military and the atomic power. Hamas doesn't and is very ... very small in comparison. So even then, you must act accordingly. Or its being a fool in the game.
No one is evil. We only do evil things.
Justification doesn't mean forgiveness. We MUST understand the problem to face it or we will redraw the circle of hate again and again and again.
No.
First step toward fascism: dehumanization of the ennemy
And this is sad, but you are still alive. Those guys are waiting death right now.
I don't care about their ideology I only care about their actions right now. We are not in a position to discuss ideology here.
I believe in objective evil. If found guilty of the most heinous of crimes in a court of law (very important), then I do think that it should be allowed. It is not on the individual to administer that punishment.
I think bad things can make people into monsters, but once they become monsters they are evil.
I have gotten better. It was a long journey, however.
I don't agree. Not about the kid beating, but the concept of power being the most contributing factor. It's oppression politics and runs on intersectionality which is a divisive ideology. Law should be objective.
I am glad you accept what the Israelites received was bad. Their response has been just as monstrous.
People become evil once they commit evil. Anyone can become evil. You can also choose to be good. That is morality. I will give you that people can perceive good and evil differently, and it can depend on what side you are on, BUT, I believe in an objective morality based on things that people inherently seem to know: "Do not kill," etc.
The Soviet revolution resulted in mass starvation and eventual tyranny. That is just one example.
Which is what both the Palestinians AND the Israelites are doing to each other. The Palestinians are just as fascist in your opinion.
I was waiting for death, though. The result is proof that you can come out of it without becoming a monster, no?
Effectively, those who are aggrieved (the Palestinians) have struck back at Israel through acts of terror. It is wrong. Why does not matter.
As you say, my concern isn't why. Anyone can become a monster. But I cannot excuse becoming one.
I think bad things can make people into monsters, but once they become monsters they are evil.
I have gotten better. It was a long journey, however.
I don't agree. Not about the kid beating, but the concept of power being the most contributing factor. It's oppression politics and runs on intersectionality which is a divisive ideology. Law should be objective.
I am glad you accept what the Israelites received was bad. Their response has been just as monstrous.
People become evil once they commit evil. Anyone can become evil. You can also choose to be good. That is morality. I will give you that people can perceive good and evil differently, and it can depend on what side you are on, BUT, I believe in an objective morality based on things that people inherently seem to know: "Do not kill," etc.
The Soviet revolution resulted in mass starvation and eventual tyranny. That is just one example.
Which is what both the Palestinians AND the Israelites are doing to each other. The Palestinians are just as fascist in your opinion.
I was waiting for death, though. The result is proof that you can come out of it without becoming a monster, no?
What does ''attacking back'' mean?
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As you say, my concern isn't why. Anyone can become a monster. But I cannot excuse becoming one.
I respect the rule of law as I do not agree with anarchy (it is not a better alternative). Vigilantism will cause more pain and suffering. To eliminate all injustice is impossible, but we can hope to minimize it.
You're free to disagree.
I never said I couldn't understand why. I think it's evil, but I know people will fight for what they think is right. Doesn't make them less monstrous.
Casualty -- victims -- those who died, were injured, kidnapped, etc etc. There were innocent civilians who were attacked. That should have been avoided.
I don't disagree with war on principle. Hamas should have attacked the IDF if they believe so much in their ideology. Not the civilians.
You're free to disagree.
I never said I couldn't understand why. I think it's evil, but I know people will fight for what they think is right. Doesn't make them less monstrous.
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Casualty -- victims -- those who died, were injured, kidnapped, etc etc. There were innocent civilians who were attacked. That should have been avoided.
I don't disagree with war on principle. Hamas should have attacked the IDF if they believe so much in their ideology. Not the civilians.
Yes, you are right, bad language habit, I shouldn't call them monster in the first place. Just murderers.
The dehumanization is problematic coming from me or anyone else.
This would simply allow murder.
We don't reply to atrocity with more atrocity.
I shouldn't have call them monster in the first place. No one should be dehumanized. And no one is evil.
Neutrality is the mother of injustice.
Yes we should be objective. But objectivity means understanding WHO has the POWER. Only fool think that someone shooting rocks should be gun down with a pistol. In EVERY CONFLICT we must look at the power. This is a basic principle in understanding geopolitic and conflict diplomacy in general.
No, they just do evil things. Becoming evil is only the discourse of someone that believe in divine essentialism. This isn't reality.
The system is flawed, the people are not evil. They only do evil things. (which should not even be called "evil" in the first place. "bad" is more appropriate.
Not at all. You are completely ignoring delibarately or not the disymetry of the conflict here.
Again, WHO HAS THE POWER ?
Possible, but very unlikely if noone is here for you or you have no hope of coming back.
The dehumanization is problematic coming from me or anyone else.
This would simply allow murder.
We don't reply to atrocity with more atrocity.
I shouldn't have call them monster in the first place. No one should be dehumanized. And no one is evil.
Neutrality is the mother of injustice.
Yes we should be objective. But objectivity means understanding WHO has the POWER. Only fool think that someone shooting rocks should be gun down with a pistol. In EVERY CONFLICT we must look at the power. This is a basic principle in understanding geopolitic and conflict diplomacy in general.
No, they just do evil things. Becoming evil is only the discourse of someone that believe in divine essentialism. This isn't reality.
The system is flawed, the people are not evil. They only do evil things. (which should not even be called "evil" in the first place. "bad" is more appropriate.
Not at all. You are completely ignoring delibarately or not the disymetry of the conflict here.
Again, WHO HAS THE POWER ?
Possible, but very unlikely if noone is here for you or you have no hope of coming back.