Controversial General Political Discussion

[Roo]

How often do you think of the Roman Empire?

Every hour of every day of every month of every year

 

[Okamakama]

Every hour of every day of every month of every year

Mourn for them.

 

[NAMELESS]

It was a reactionary call to arms by Pope Urban II over the Seljuks successes in Anatolia.

Agreed.Al-Andalus is a good example of this.The reconquista war was 100% justified.

 

[Okamakama]

Their time was limited by the inevitable advances in military tbh. Cannons ruined Stanipol’s defenses.

And it's fall into decadence and lassitude. They harkened their own demise.

 

[NAMELESS]

There's some people here who believe they were defensive. It's just classic revisionism.

You do realize muslims invaded and occupied christian lands for centuries,right?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Agreed.Al-Andalus is a good example of this.The reconquista war was 100% justified.

At a certain point in history, modern justifications for war don’t really hold any weight imo.

 

[NAMELESS]

At a certain point in history, modern justifications for war don’t really hold any weight imo.

yes,of course,but the principle of ownership of the land is valid,no?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

yes,of course,but the principle of ownership of the land is valid,no?

I’d say in plenty of societies, the ownership of land is solely dependent on one’s ability to hold it.

 

[Roo]

I’d say in plenty of societies, the ownership of land is solely dependent on one’s ability to hold it.

Borders are made through warfare and conquest

 

[Okamakama]

yes,of course,but the principle of ownership of the land is valid,no?

Blood and soil really doesn't matter, to be honest. The Romans ruled the British Isles, then the Anglo-Saxons, then the Normans. If you can't hold the land, it aint yours, really.

 

[Mathias]

Every hour of every day of every month of every year

Ottoman Empire was the new Roman Empire

 

[NAMELESS]

I’d say in plenty of societies, the ownership of land is solely dependent on one’s ability to hold it.

So people can just go around robbing each other if they have the strength to do so?Come on,do better than this,Saul Goodman.

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Blood and soil really doesn't matter, to be honest. The Romans ruled the British Isles, then the Anglo-Saxons, then the Normans. If you can't hold the land, it aint yours, really.

So theft is justified?

 

[Okamakama]

So people can just go around robbing each other if they have the strength to do so?Come on,do better than this,Saul Goodman.

No. However, the way of conquest and war was common in those ages. Since I believe the concept of indigenous is ridiculous, I cannot really say that specific land belongs to a group.

 

[Roo]

Ottoman Empire was the new Roman Empire

Shut up

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

So people can just go around robbing each other if they have the strength to do so?Come on,do better than this,Saul Goodman.

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So theft is justified?

At a certain point in history, in certain societies? Yeah. Ownership of land is dependent on your power or the power of whoever your sovereign is.

 

[Mathias]

Shut up

Truth hurts

 

[NAMELESS]

At a certain point in history, in certain societies? Yeah. Ownership of land is dependent on your power or the power of whoever your sovereign is.

ok,back in the day,maybe.Today?nope.

 

[NikaInParis]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67223217
The 7000 dead cicilians figure is credible enough to the WHO, within a few percentage points

 

[Okamakama]

So theft is justified?

This is a tough one that I don't particularly know the answer to. No, but history is also written by the victor, in a sense. So it becomes justice in history, but it usually was not justice.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67223217
The 7000 dead cicilians figure is credible enough to the WHO, within a few percentage points

Yeah, people here jerk off with their semantics, either who hates muslims or who is a proper astroturfer.
And people keep dying in silence