Character Discussion Is V. Nasujuro even eligible for the WSS title?

[nik87]

That's makes zero sence. Mihawk fought as equel against two handed Shanks but never faced Garling. SO unless this is duel to death he can't be really sure that he is somehow stronger then Shanks for example. He need to kill his opponent to prove othervise and that's much better decision then waiting for scrub grow up.
Again, my point here is that Mihawk wanted to train someone who can surpass himm to have a chance in defeating real WSS Venus.

It absolutely makes sense that only those with haki strong enough to forge black blades can satisfy those whose haki is strong enough to forge black blades. Those whose haki isnt strong enough to do it obviously are a letdown.
Venus is a warm-up before Shiryu's fight.

 

[Pringles]

Final war will be:
- Pirate King vs Imu
- WSS vs V. Nasujuro
- and so on

 

[Konstantis]

It absolutely makes sense that only those with haki strong enough to forge black blades can satisfy those whose haki is strong enough to forge black blades. Those whose haki isnt strong enough to do it obviously are a letdown.
Venus is a warm-up before Shiryu's fight.

Cmmon it is obvious that even Saturn will not be defeated in this arc. But ok, if Saturn is YC1 lvl it's fine to believe in something like that, but if he is stronger then Kizaru then it is obvious that Venus is beyond all. PLUS we don't know how the hightest lvl of haki look like. Oda easily could play "zetsu thing" or Holy Haki lvl, which makes sword white lol

 

[Pringles]

Cmmon it is obvious that even Saturn will not be defeated in this arc. But ok, if Saturn is YC1 lvl it's fine to believe in something like that, but if he is stronger then Kizaru then it is obvious that Venus is beyond all. PLUS we don't know how the hightest lvl of haki look like. Oda easily could play "zetsu thing" or Holy Haki lvl, which makes sword white lol

Saturn is definitely getting defeated this arc

 

[CensoredbyWG]

This "Venus is a God so he's exempt from Mihawk's title" excuse works.

But man up and exempt the Gorosei from Whitebeard's & Kaidou's irrelevant titles too. They are Gods right? Why limit them to mere man & creature?

Dont pick & choose where you'll try to act smart & where you'll follow the title though.

The difference is that WG was afraid of kaido and WB while not giving a fuck to mihawk.

 

[Konstantis]

Saturn is definitely getting defeated this arc

well, there is still time, right?
SO let's just wait for chapter 1100

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The difference is that WG was afraid of kaido and WB while not giving a fuck to mihawk.

They wasn't afraid, they just don't want to do cleansing. I'm sure that it is obvious that Marines didn't exist for 800 years. Before Marrines there was another military organization that failed, and was disbanded.

 

[nik87]

Cmmon it is obvious that even Saturn will not be defeated in this arc. But ok, if Saturn is YC1 lvl it's fine to believe in something like that, but if he is stronger then Kizaru then it is obvious that Venus is beyond all. PLUS we don't know how the hightest lvl of haki look like. Oda easily could play "zetsu thing" or Holy Haki lvl, which makes sword white lol

All you have to understand is that not even Imu possesses the strongest weapon in the world but Mihawk does.
And it was made the strongest in the world thanks to his haki.
Only one character in the present timeline has managed to forge a Black Blade for a reason.
To separate him from all others. That's why he awaits at the top, after all the others have been defeated.
Zoro vs Mihawk is the peak combat of OP world. If Shanks vs Mihawk shook the Grand Line, imagine what Zoro vs Mihawk will do...

 

[Herrera95]

That quote ability...

 

[CbShadow]

The difference is that WG was afraid of kaido and WB while not giving a fuck to mihawk.

The WG wasn't afraid of Kaido, WB or any Yonko. They just don't have the resource to go around and start fighting all of them Yonko T one time. It's easier to use the Yonko to keep other pirates in check.

 

[Konstantis]

All you have to understand is that not even Imu possesses the strongest weapon in the world but Mihawk does.
And it was made the strongest in the world thanks to his haki.
Only one character in the present timeline has managed to forge a Black Blade for a reason.
To separate him from all others. That's why he awaits at the top, after all the others have been defeated.
Zoro vs Mihawk is the peak combat of OP world. If Shanks vs Mihawk shook the Grand Line, imagine what Zoro vs Mihawk will do...

this is pure cope, and you will see that you are wrong.
Gorosei >>>>> All

 

[nik87]

this is pure cope, and you will see that you are wrong.
Gorosei >>>>> All

 

[CensoredbyWG]

Because Shanks, Garling, Kaido, Venus reached their peak and couldnt reach the strength required to beat Mihawk.
That's why the frog from the small pond had high hopes placed on his shoulders when he took Death over defeat.

This is such a cope hahahaahaah.

Mihawk was hiding in east blue while the actual greats were fighting in New world.

Kaido's top 5 already tells me everything i need to know about mihawk.

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That's makes zero sence. Mihawk fought as equel against two handed Shanks but never faced Garling. SO unless this is duel to death he can't be really sure that he is somehow stronger then Shanks for example. He need to kill his opponent to prove othervise and that's much better decision then waiting for scrub grow up.
Again, my point here is that Mihawk wanted to train someone who can surpass himm to have a chance in defeating real WSS Venus.

Keep in mind that he also fought a NON YONKO SHANKS which was able to draw with an already WSS mihawk.

Imagine what current PIRATE KING LVL shanks would do with mihawk

Kaido already explained who were the top dogs on this show.

Which is why i dont think too highly of neither gorosei nor mihawk since kaido watched them, most lokely fought them and still didnt put them inside his top 5.

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It absolutely makes sense that only those with haki strong enough to forge black blades can satisfy those whose haki is strong enough to forge black blades. Those whose haki isnt strong enough to do it obviously are a letdown.
Venus is a warm-up before Shiryu's fight.

Gorosei is a warm up for the fight with a man who fainted after a single 80yo garp groundslam?

MOST ABSURD TAKE I HAVE EVER SEEN IN THIS FORUM.

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The WG wasn't afraid of Kaido, WB or any Yonko. They just don't have the resource to go around and start fighting all of them Yonko T one time. It's easier to use the Yonko to keep other pirates in check.

Bullshit, WB going to marineford mobilized the entire marineford + shichibukais.

Kaido had admirals afraid of going to wano.

Big mom + kaido and shanks + WB encounter was enough to have gorosei in SHOCK.

Mihawk NEVER got this sort of reaction from anyone other than east blue fodder.

They literally sent a regular ship force for him when shichibukais were no longer a thing lol.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Zoro's tangible goal is Mihawk. He's the benchmark presented in physical form, for Zoro to achieve. There is also the intangible goal that Oda has created through Ryuma. For years Oda has used the concept of Ryuma, and built Zoro's legacy around it. Everything that Zoro has been achieving, is no less than what Ryuma had achieved. Zoro has been saying since he was a child, that "His name will reach the Heavens." Now all of a sudden, Ryuma's status in the World, was elevated to "The GOD of the Blade." With all the parallels Oda has made between the two characters over the years, I have no clue how people can disregard this similarity, and not reach the conclusion that this is what Zoro will ultimately be known as, by the end of the series.

@Celestial D. Dragon
… okay so then what exactly will show that Zoro has equaled or surpassed Ryuma? Do you understand what I’m asking?

a goal is only a goal IF IT CAN BE ACHEIVED… can you point to the thing that proves Zoro has achieved this other goal that you think he has?

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Actually not, Mihawk is not lying, case Venus is a god, not a human. Venus is probably from Void Centuary, case he was born in Wano. He is probably Ryuma's grandgrand father.
Mihawk probably faced him for once and saw absolutely annomal difference in Haki and power, that he decided to find someone who can surpass him and have a little chance against God of Sword.

@Konstantis this is a dumb loophole that Oda can’t get away with

The celestial dragons are all humans. We have heard other celestial dragons say this.

also, we know that there are df abilities that give people immortality so why would we randomly assume the Gorosei are gods and not just using df abilities

 

[Juanpiz]

That quote ability...

Yeah I messed up lol

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

This "Venus is a God so he's exempt from Mihawk's title" excuse works.

@ConquistadoR
It doesn’t work because celestial dragons are just humans, remember

unless you believe the narrator who keeps calling Mihawk WSS believes the Celestial dragon propaganda

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

WSM, WSC, Imu... Pick whoever you want.
None of them have managed to forge their weapon into the strongest in the world.
Mihawk did because his haki is stronger than everyone's.
The embarrassment will indeed be biblical when entirety of fandom realizes they have been wrong the entire time, except for handful few.

Again, you're spouting headcannon bullshit. Pull up a single panel in the entirety of the whole manga. Pull up any and all SBS'. Grab all the vivre cards where you can. Search every form of interview Oda has ever delivered. And show me where it says you need to have the strongest haki to forge a black blade. You can't, because it doesn't exist anywhere except in your head.

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@Celestial D. Dragon
… okay so then what exactly will show that Zoro has equaled or surpassed Ryuma? Do you understand what I’m asking?

a goal is only a goal IF IT CAN BE ACHEIVED… can you point to the thing that proves Zoro has achieved this other goal that you think he has?

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@Konstantis this is a dumb loophole that Oda can’t get away with

The celestial dragons are all humans. We have heard other celestial dragons say this.

also, we know that there are df abilities that give people immortality so why would we randomly assume the Gorosei are gods and not just using df abilities

Does Zoro, or does he not want his name to reach the Heavens?

Is there such a thing as "The God of the Sword."

Zoro has been paralleling Ryuma at every turn in the story. Him saying "I want to be the God of the Sword." is not something that needs to happen, in order for us, as the readers, to see where Oda is going with this.

 

[Juanpiz]

6 pages lol

 

[Daves John]

Kaido had admirals afraid of going to wano.

Kyoshiro, you mean

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Does Zoro, or does he not want his name to reach the Heavens?

Is there such a thing as "The God of the Sword."

Zoro has been paralleling Ryuma at every turn in the story. Him saying "I want to be the God of the Sword." is not something that needs to happen, in order for us, as the readers, to see where Oda is going with this.

so you don’t know. And that’s my point. There is nothing in the story about Zoro having to do X to surpass Ryuma. So basically you are giving Zoro a made up objective he can’t achieve

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

so you don’t know. And that’s my point. There is nothing in the story about Zoro having to do X to surpass Ryuma. So basically you are giving Zoro a made up objective he can’t achieve

I mean, if truly believe that Oda has done all this build up between Zoro and Ryuma, for it to amount to nothing in the end, and be irrelevant, then have at it. I don't need to convince you of the writing on the wall.