General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Bisoromi Bear]

How many pillars can be remove untill the logic roof falls?

As postulated by Logiko earlier, there is no need for a roof as long as the pillars are illuminating enough

 

[Logiko]

How many pillars can be remove untill the logic roof falls?

10

 

[Sigran101]

10

That's incorrect. You know nothing about architecture.

 

[Rambles]

You think that your reasonning will prove that Lucci will join, right ? Well this is a theory. Now give me a way to disprove it, meaning -in the context of the manga - a time limit.

You want me to give you a time limit that defines the time-frame in which Lucci will be able to join - is that right?

We can agree upon the same time-frame for our bet here: If Lucci will fade back into the background for a longer period of time without him becoming the 11th crew member.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

That's incorrect. You know nothing about architecture.

According to the pillar to roof ratio, only pillars are needed and as long as they are at least 300 kilometers high, the roof's permanent absence is excused.
All strength and efforts must be focused solely on perfecting, enlarging and heightening the pillars.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

I love how this thread has degraded into such a meme

 

[Logiko]

That's incorrect. You know nothing about architecture.

Maybe

We can agree upon the same time-frame for our bet here: If Lucci will fade back into the background for a longer period of time without him becoming the 11th crew member.

This could be 1 or 5 arcs. I was clear with the Carrot theory: the end of Wano. Be more clear please.

 

[Rambles]

Maybe



This could be 1 or 5 arcs. I was clear with the Carrot theory: the end of Wano. Be more clear please.

Do you thing a side-character will stay with the SHPs for 5 arcs? I do not, but Ok. Maybe I can define it a little better:

If Lucci does not join this arc (Egghead).

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I love how this thread has degraded into such a meme

Rather than degraded, the thread was upgraded when we left the inane and asinine singular nakama focused perspective behind us and embraced the multi faceted concepts of architecture, storytelling, biology and paludism as a promising outlook to redefining the ages old concept of nakamaship.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Rather than degraded, the thread was upgraded when we left the inane and asinine singular nakama focused perspective behind us and embraced the multi faceted concepts of architecture, storytelling, biology and paludism as a promising outlook to redefining the ages old concept of nakamaship.

:cheers:

 

[Logiko]

If Lucci does not join this arc (Egghead).

Deal.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I’ve heard my fair share of delusional statements during my 3 years here at Worstgen but somebody actually unironically believing he understands the story better than the fucking author is a new low I never thought we would reach.

Did you ever come face to face with literature teachers?

 

[Logiko]

Did you ever come face to face with literature teachers?

THose guys are frauds

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The roofless pillars' uniqueness is defined by the presence of sub pillars that emerge from one specific point. The sub pillars, also known as the ''five rules'' are clear akin to window glass and in order to guarantee the main pillars' sufficient illumination ability, similar materials must be purchased for the construction of the main pillars in order to ensure proper functionality.
As postulated in the "double nakama link" essay, each pillar must be built closely to a partner pillar lest the least desirable outcome is achieved, also known as :

"the tragedy".

 

[Logiko]

The roofless pillars' uniqueness is defined by the presence of sub pillars that emerge from one specific point. The sub pillars, also known as the ''five rules'' are clear akin to window glass and in order to guarantee the main pillars' sufficient illumination ability, similar materials must be purchased for the construction of the main pillars in order to ensure proper functionality.
As postulated in the "double nakama link" essay, each pillar must be built closely to a partner pillar lest the least desirable outcome is achieved, also known as :

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Please do not feel pressured to give a speech now, we all know what it's like to be anxious in public

 

[Logiko]

Please do not feel pressured to give a speech now, we all know what it's like to be anxious in public

 

[Vivi4Nakama]

Ok for the first, what do you mean by "active" tho ?

its mean the charachter still relevant to the story

Why is this an important parameters of charaterization ? Where does this impact the characterization of the protagonist ?
Same thing, why not. But why is this important for the storytelling in term of characterization ?

Charachter who get emphasis in their arc have a chance to be SHP, if they get emphasis in their saga they have even bigger chance. charachter is important therefore they get charachterization, in.that.order.

This is over complicated for no reasons.

Nope its perfect already, i dont ask you to change your pillar so i ask you to do the same

Do you, for example, consider something that is happening in real time, a "background" story ?
- Why must one or more people be injured or dead ?
Why would the presence of a strawhat impact the story of the potential strawhat ?

I answer this together, death of the loved one/many/things are strongest motivation someone can have. and all shp have at so i put it in my list, for the real time back ground story, it tied to the third question, shp are supposed to be the liberator or savior of your “FAV”,the “background story” can happen in the past(like nami and her mom) or current ( like vivi and her dad) notice both have no shp presence? if they presence and unable to stop it ( like carrot and her mentor) that mean Shp failed to do what they supposed to do. therefore carrot not gonna join.
hypothetical: imagine if luffy defeat arlong but nojiko and pinwheel man still die in prosses. nami wouldnt be join.

Why ? Do you have proof that the dreams of the strawhats can only be fulfilled by following Luffy ?

i answer all dream related question in one go, cause that how shonen work.if not that would be boring, sanji can go work at baratie until someone “find all blue” and then he go visit, why bother to go pirating? cause that how shonen work.

BUT You also must explain why this is important in term of characterization and not just say random rules that could seems arbitrary at first.
I completely agree with that but again, explains why this is important.

its something you ignoring cause you are “writer”. its called visual charachter design and merchandising, to develop intelectual property for bussines and marketing. once you touch that teritory you would understand that Design visual> story and charachterization

Fair. But this is again related to uniqueness, those three previous point should be reunited under one specific point with sub parameters.

no. cause they are very different

Why is this important in term of characterization ? SOmetime the repetition of a design may be actually helpfull and not detrimental to the character's characterization. For example, the design of Yamato helps us understand her dream and characterization more in relation to Oden. This is therefore a very good design. So this point seems problematic.

if you not wanna make a side charachrer its okay,but main charachter sould be original.period.

No, not really no. Can you clarify this point a bit more please ? The presence of randomness is actually helpfull to surprise the reader, not the opposite.

no its battle shonen, their fight should be interesting to see, any inconsistent and randomness only work for side charachter
example: what if naruto jutsu all revolve around sexy no jutsu? would it be fun to see?

idont need to explain anything, my checkbox system all based on yes no question for what all straw hat have without need to look at subtext or anything that can be seen have multiple meaning by different people.

you logiko put a lotta thing in charachterization, but you forgot manga is not novel, mangaka put a lot effort in charachter design and go to charachterization based on it. not in reverse. charachterization can be changed anytime but visual design once it out cant be changed easily. here an example how mangaka work:
- oda make premise of alabasta
- decided the key story, chara, and world design in the story
- make a bunch charachter design concept for it
- try to trim,fix,mix and match
- finishing the charachter design
- start the stories
in .that. order

oda not draw ms wednesday and think she will be a good princess after laboon. he already decided she will be the princess before ms. wednesday debut

if oda want carrot join,he not gonna design carrot so bland like that. end of story
if oda want yamato join, he not gonna design yamato like some deviantart OC.
im not gonna go dissect your pillar but dont try to make connection beetwen your pillar and my checkbox or imply i make mine based on your. or you will meet my lawyer in your local court. heheheh

 

[Sigran101]

its mean the charachter still relevant to the story

Charachter who get emphasis in their arc have a chance to be SHP, if they get emphasis in their saga they have even bigger chance. charachter is important therefore they get charachterization, in.that.order.

Nope its perfect already, i dont ask you to change your pillar so i ask you to do the same

I answer this together, death of the loved one/many/things are strongest motivation someone can have. and all shp have at so i put it in my list, for the real time back ground story, it tied to the third question, shp are supposed to be the liberator or savior of your “FAV”,the “background story” can happen in the past(like nami and her mom) or current ( like vivi and her dad) notice both have no shp presence? if they presence and unable to stop it ( like carrot and her mentor) that mean Shp failed to do what they supposed to do. therefore carrot not gonna join.
hypothetical: imagine if luffy defeat arlong but nojiko and pinwheel man still die in prosses. nami wouldnt be join.

i answer all dream related question in one go, cause that how shonen work.if not that would be boring, sanji can go work at baratie until someone “find all blue” and then he go visit, why bother to go pirating? cause that how shonen work.


its something you ignoring cause you are “writer”. its called visual charachter design and merchandising, to develop intelectual property for bussines and marketing. once you touch that teritory you would understand that Design visual> story and charachterization

no. cause they are very different


if you not wanna make a side charachrer its okay,but main charachter sould be original.period.


no its battle shonen, their fight should be interesting to see, any inconsistent and randomness only work for side charachter
example: what if naruto jutsu all revolve around sexy no jutsu? would it be fun to see?

idont need to explain anything, my checkbox system all based on yes no question for what all straw hat have without need to look at subtext or anything that can be seen have multiple meaning by different people.

you logiko put a lotta thing in charachterization, but you forgot manga is not novel, mangaka put a lot effort in charachter design and go to charachterization based on it. not in reverse. charachterization can be changed anytime but visual design once it out cant be changed easily. here an example how mangaka work:
- oda make premise of alabasta
- decided the key story, chara, and world design in the story
- make a bunch charachter design concept for it
- try to trim,fix,mix and match
- finishing the charachter design
- start the stories
in .that. order

oda not draw ms wednesday and think she will be a good princess after laboon. he already decided she will be the princess before ms. wednesday debut

if oda want carrot join,he not gonna design carrot so bland like that. end of story
if oda want yamato join, he not gonna design yamato like some deviantart OC.
im not gonna go dissect your pillar but dont try to make connection beetwen your pillar and my checkbox or imply i make mine based on your. or you will meet my lawyer in your local court. heheheh

Good thing we have this to go by instead of the shiny columns of nakama action or whatever.

 

[Rambles]

V4N Nakama Checkbox™

a simple checkbox to predict if your “FAV” would be the last Nakama in the SHP. the check box would be seperated into 3 phase ,in order for your “FAV” to have a chance in joining, all checkbox in Phase 1 bellow need to be filled. “FAV” that not past the first phase are not eligible to move to the next phase. while phase 2&3 will be percentage base.
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FIRST PHASE : AVAILABILITY
In this phase we using V4N Nakama Checkbox™ to determine are your “FAV” worth to look into:

[ ] Your “FAV” still alive and active
(not just in your head or your hearth)

[ ] your “FAV” is a MAJOR charachter in the ARC they appeared in.

[ ] your “FAV” is a still MAJOR charachter in the SAGA where their ARC appeared in.

[ ] your “FAV” know and capable to defend themself

[ ] your “FAV” past the “V4N Evility Scale™”

“V4N Evility Scale™ is a multilayered scale to determine what scale of evility you “FAV” have done, in the end of the day one piece is not Seinen, so edgy, evulz and charachter with no good moral are a big no-no”

*notes: bad deed and casuality must be SHOWN or TOLD ON PANEL to be count as one.

your “FAV” have done:
1. no bad dees
2. bad deed but not have live casuality
3. bad deed and almost have casuality
4. bad deed and have casuality
5. bad deed and have massive casuality

123 can check the box and move to “phase 2”, while 45 need to check second layer.

the reason is:
1. they dont know or accidentally
2. being forced against their will
3. have to do for survival
4. following order
5. cause feel they like it or enjoying it

123 can check the box and move to “phase 2”, 4 mean your “FAV” have no moral to stand while 5 mean your “FAV” is beyond tolerable for shonen main protagonist and mean 45 doesnt past the V4N Evility Scale™.

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SECOND PHASE : NARRATIVE
In this phase we using V4N Nakama Checkbox™ to determine are your “FAV” can join NARRATIVE wise. every check box worth 10Pt

[ ] your “FAV” have sad background story
and require atleast ONE or MORE people they care about end up being INJURED or DEAD.

[ ] when your “FAV” sad background story happen and people they care about end up being INJURED or DEAD. there must be NO ONE or MORE SHP crew presence to involved,interrupt or witness it.

[ ] your “FAV” have a dream that either:
a. only can be fulfilled by FOLLOWING Luffy
b. fullfilled AFTER luffy achieved his goal
c. TIED or SIMILLAR to Luffy (example: meet laboon again)

[ ] your “FAV” has been saved by Luffy in LIVE OR DEATH situation (either your “FAV”. or someone or thing your “FAV” care about)

[ ] Luffy either:
a. ACTIVELY inviting your “FAV”
b. goes to GREAT LENGTH for inviting your “FAV”
c. CLEARLY ACCEPTING your “FAV” in panel

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THIRD PHASE : DESIGN
In this phase we using V4N Nakama Checkbox™ to determine are your “FAV” can join Design wise based on every shounen design rule. every check box worth 10Pt

[ ] your “FAV” have “CLEAR” and “UNIQUE” combat style.
*notes:
CLEAR mean they have combat style and weapon of choice that they keep using regularly.

UNIQUE in this part mean they are either:
a. the only one in one piece world that using that FIGHT STYLE or WEAPON TYPE
b. the first one in one piece world that appear and show using that FIGHT STYLE or WEAPON TYPE
c. if the FIGHT STYLE is the one that learned by multiple people or some type of group, theys must be the most prominent in one piece world that MASTERING or PRODIGY with that FIGHT STYLE

[ ] your “FAV” power and abilities must NOT CLASHED with current SHP member.
*notes: i believe this obvious but i list it just in case:
-no hand to hand brawler or stretching related abilities or white and curly/fluffy form
-no katana user or wind related abilities
-no staff user or elec related abilities
-no slingshot user or plant related abiilities
-no kick specialist or fire(anycolor) related abilities
-no multiple form related ability
-no ability that related on growing something
-no cyborg or steel related ability
-no canesword/fencer/fencing user or ice related ability
-no fishman karate or water related ability

[ ] your “FAV” must be introduced in a fashion that not represent or based on the area they currently appear.
*notes : one piece is travelling manga where the protag change their costume according area they visited, charachter that use cloth based on area they appear either gonna be bond to it or lose half their charachterization the moment they change it.

[ ] your “FAV” must be the original and not based on or similar to charachter that already appear in the story before your “FAV” debut.

[ ] your “FAV” abilities must be CONSISTENT, USEFUL and ultimately LOOK GOOD in FIGHTING SHOUNEN GENRE
*notes: somebody may argue with this but
even tho im a fans of pink haired girl like perona, her and bonney have similar problem, their ability are not working consistent to the enemy, either instant defeat or not have any effect, and cant be upgraded any further. like what? depressed harder? or back to embrio phase? or become baby / eldery and hope your enemy have some moral? but yeah you get what i mean.

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congratulation your reach the conclusion
so you can emulate the point and find out the result :
<50 or 50pt = join on two piece
60 = wont join
70 = small chance and probably wont join
80 = medium chance, maybe better at somewhere else
90 = big chance and wait for approvall
100pt = already join or rejoin in future

with this amazing V4N Nakama Checkbox™ you can find out easily are your “FAV” will join or not, feel free to used it on your [someone you doesnt like] “FAV” too. happy Checking~<3







any logical question would be answered with “ you dont understand” and request to re read the whole post until the question stop coming
any attempt to fix the grammar is welcome
any attempt to copy or modified this method would be answered with my legal team working together with local marine in your juridiction.

Lucci checks for 50 points and 30 points are already hinted at. Like from me. 👍