Character Discussion Why does Imu-sama, the supposed final villain of One Piece, seem like crap so far?!
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Show me a panel of Kaido's heat breath hitting Speed, and I'll stop talking truths about Imu.
And speed must be stronger than an average, old, sick person.
See, you can't even defend Imu. LMAO
And he couldn't knock out Sabo even though he got a free shot at a man's back, carrying another person, and with no focus on his attacks, and without being able to use his Logia powers to fly, or else he'd burn Cobra.
And speed must be stronger than an average, old, sick person.
See, you can't even defend Imu. LMAO
And he couldn't knock out Sabo even though he got a free shot at a man's back, carrying another person, and with no focus on his attacks, and without being able to use his Logia powers to fly, or else he'd burn Cobra.
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True, no Boro Breath but it doesn't make it better when Dragon Kaido was unable to kill a fodder smile like that. At least Imu managed to kill someone, what's Kaido's kill count again in Onigashima? Did he even kill Mr. Go?
You really acting like PIS doesn't even exist in One Piece. Kaido is a victim of that as well as other characters. It doesn't make them weak tho, so stop the hypocrisy.
Lol. it doesn't matter when the opponent is freaking Kaido... Fodder like Speed are small fries to Kaido, she's supposed to die by one hit, that's how large the difference is between her and Kaido.
Also, is there an excuse why Kaido failed to kill halfdead Kinemon with his ACoC blow hitting his head? If it's because of Kinemon's willpower, why does it not count for Cobra who wanted Sabo to flee away before dying at the end?
Let's not even talk about Imu for a second (reason why you even got jumped in this thread for even entertaining this nonsense buddy) but there are characters which I see are stronger than Kaido:
Xebec.
Blackbeard.
Primebeard.
Roger.
Prime Garp.
Possibly Mihawk. (At worst he's slightly weaker than Ryuma but this would already put him above Oden who nearly killed Kaido)
Possibly Dragon.
Maybe put the strongest Gorosei there as well.
See? Kaido is even weaker than them. What makes you believe Kaido is stronger than the final villain? It's either Blackbeard or Imu but point is, the possibility of Kaido looking like topi roppo in comparison to Imu/Blackbeard is extremely high.
I know you don't like that but better get used to it; One Piece is a shonen like everything else and the more the story moves forward, the stronger enemies we will keep seeing. Again, not to mention the final villain. This is not simply a good discussion, it's delusional to think Kaido - a mid series antagonist - is stronger than the final antagonist. In which shonen manga was this even the case?
Knocking out in what sense? He pierced a hole in Sabo's body and dude was on life support. Stop the copium...
Sabo wasn't simply allowed to be knocked out in that particular moment; he had to flee and report to Dragon what he had seen, hence plot.
A big hole and vaping a shit lot of water.You can also check out what Ace did.
Nothing but pure PIS.Not even worth to waste time on it
Logia intang is permanent.Enel still had it while sleeping.IM hurting Sabo just means he used CoA.
Ah,now you went from "cant even burn a chair" and "cant even kill a child" to "it would burn Cobra".Ok
IM barely got screentime lol.IM is still just shown as a silhouette.And oneshotting someone like Sabo with a casual attack IS a great feat
It washed Burgess away and matched a casual Fuji.But yes,Sabos attacks are weak lol
And?Who cares
Cobra does not matter at all.Using your logic Kaido is trash because Kinemon took Kaidos club pretty fine,legit running around Oni a short time after he took the attack.
To your examples,Kaido was pissed and drunken while oneshotting Luffy with a named attack and Shanks was also going for the kill with a at least mid tier move from him.
IM oneshotted Sabo just with his sting.Ultra casual
And btw,Cobra died.So,mission accomplished
Im 99,9% sure Shanks will end up stronger as well
Nothing but pure PIS.Not even worth to waste time on it
Logia intang is permanent.Enel still had it while sleeping.IM hurting Sabo just means he used CoA.
Ah,now you went from "cant even burn a chair" and "cant even kill a child" to "it would burn Cobra".Ok
IM barely got screentime lol.IM is still just shown as a silhouette.And oneshotting someone like Sabo with a casual attack IS a great feat
It washed Burgess away and matched a casual Fuji.But yes,Sabos attacks are weak lol
And?Who cares
Cobra does not matter at all.Using your logic Kaido is trash because Kinemon took Kaidos club pretty fine,legit running around Oni a short time after he took the attack.
To your examples,Kaido was pissed and drunken while oneshotting Luffy with a named attack and Shanks was also going for the kill with a at least mid tier move from him.
IM oneshotted Sabo just with his sting.Ultra casual
And btw,Cobra died.So,mission accomplished
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Im 99,9% sure Shanks will end up stronger as well
So your only concern is that Blackbeard was weaker powerscaling wise, so he cannot be the Aizen? He is responsible what happened in ID and MF and rn, he's the strongest rival of Luffy as well. He was weak at the beginning but it doesn't change the fact that he's a schemer who influenced Luffy's growth on so many levels. He was the one who defeated and put Ace in Impel Down, he was the one who stole WB's fruit and killed him. Yes, Akainu killed Ace but that was the icing of the cake; Blackbeard's actions led to the entire war.
That's why Blackbeard is rather the Aizen; just like Blackbeard, Aizen was a schemer who influenced the main plot of Bleach and who heavily interacted with the MC. Both Luffy and Blackbeard are two sides of a coin.
Kaido is the antagonist of the Yonko saga and the first Yonko Luffy ever defeated but aside of that, Kaido was never a grand schemer who influenced the plot in One Piece. He never set things in motion while BB damaged the world more than Kaido's entire career. That's just facts. Yes, Kaido was the most important opponent in a saga but after him, there's Shanks and Blackbeard left as Yonko who will battle Luffy for the PK title.
Wano is not even part of the final saga. It is one of the many islands Luffy had to sail in but Laugh Tale is the deciding island when Luffy will be PK after defeating Blackbeard. Then the final war will happen.
Similar things happened in Bleach with Aizen setting the plot in motion. Even in jail, Aizen casually manipulated Yhwach, that's how important he was, not to mention him fighting along with Ichigo against Yhwach at the end. Do you seriously see Kaido having this huge role in the final war and having an intense battle against the final antagonist along with Luffy? Do you not think Blackbeard is more suited for that?
It depends whether Shanks will fight Luffy in Elbaf or in another island. If he gets beaten by BB previously, I don't see him stronger than Kaido.
But well, Shanks already looks far better than Big Mom. Sasaki better hopes Shanks won't outclass Kaido either but at least Kaido currently has the best top tier feats.
That's why Blackbeard is rather the Aizen; just like Blackbeard, Aizen was a schemer who influenced the main plot of Bleach and who heavily interacted with the MC. Both Luffy and Blackbeard are two sides of a coin.
Kaido is the antagonist of the Yonko saga and the first Yonko Luffy ever defeated but aside of that, Kaido was never a grand schemer who influenced the plot in One Piece. He never set things in motion while BB damaged the world more than Kaido's entire career. That's just facts. Yes, Kaido was the most important opponent in a saga but after him, there's Shanks and Blackbeard left as Yonko who will battle Luffy for the PK title.
Wano is not even part of the final saga. It is one of the many islands Luffy had to sail in but Laugh Tale is the deciding island when Luffy will be PK after defeating Blackbeard. Then the final war will happen.
Similar things happened in Bleach with Aizen setting the plot in motion. Even in jail, Aizen casually manipulated Yhwach, that's how important he was, not to mention him fighting along with Ichigo against Yhwach at the end. Do you seriously see Kaido having this huge role in the final war and having an intense battle against the final antagonist along with Luffy? Do you not think Blackbeard is more suited for that?
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It depends whether Shanks will fight Luffy in Elbaf or in another island. If he gets beaten by BB previously, I don't see him stronger than Kaido.
But well, Shanks already looks far better than Big Mom. Sasaki better hopes Shanks won't outclass Kaido either but at least Kaido currently has the best top tier feats.
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True, no Boro Breath but it doesn't make it better when Dragon Kaido was unable to kill a fodder smile like that. At least Imu managed to kill someone, what's Kaido's kill count again in Onigashima? Did he even kill Mr. Go?
You really acting like PIS doesn't even exist in One Piece. Kaido is a victim of that as well as other characters. It doesn't make them weak tho, so stop the hypocrisy.
Lol. it doesn't matter when the opponent is freaking Kaido... Fodder like Speed are small fries to Kaido, she's supposed to die by one hit, that's how large the difference is between her and Kaido.
Also, is there an excuse why Kaido failed to kill halfdead Kinemon with his ACoC blow hitting his head? If it's because of Kinemon's willpower, why does it not count for Cobra who wanted Sabo to flee away before dying at the end?
Let's not even talk about Imu for a second (reason why you even got jumped in this thread for even entertaining this nonsense buddy) but there are characters which I see are stronger than Kaido:
Xebec.
Blackbeard.
Primebeard.
Roger.
Prime Garp.
Possibly Mihawk. (At worst he's slightly weaker than Ryuma but this would already put him above Oden who nearly killed Kaido)
Possibly Dragon.
Maybe put the strongest Gorosei there as well.
See? Kaido is even weaker than them. What makes you believe Kaido is stronger than the final villain? It's either Blackbeard or Imu but point is, the possibility of Kaido looking like topi roppo in comparison to Imu/Blackbeard is extremely high.
I know you don't like that but better get used to it; One Piece is a shonen like everything else and the more the story moves forward, the stronger enemies we will keep seeing. Again, not to mention the final villain. This is not simply a good discussion, it's delusional to think Kaido - a mid series antagonist - is stronger than the final antagonist. In which shonen manga was this even the case?
Knocking out in what sense? He pierced a hole in Sabo's body and dude was on life support. Stop the copium...
Sabo wasn't simply allowed to be knocked out in that particular moment; he had to flee and report to Dragon what he had seen, hence plot.
I'm not sure whether that qualifies Blackbeard to be like Aizen. Antagonists influencing the plot and interacting heavily with the MC isn't an uncommon scheme. Most of Blackbeard's influence was by chance and rather accidentally; like him meeting Ace rather than Luffy, who he initially wanted to hand over to the Marines, thus triggering the war, while in Impel Down surviving thanks to Shiryu appearing and giving him an antidote.
Meanwhile, the amount of planning Aizen did was crazy. Like planning dozens if not hundreds of years in advance and interfering with and shaping the MC since his birth and from the get go being depicted as an overpowered, immensely smart/genius individual.
Meanwhile, the amount of planning Aizen did was crazy. Like planning dozens if not hundreds of years in advance and interfering with and shaping the MC since his birth and from the get go being depicted as an overpowered, immensely smart/genius individual.
I already told you: "True, no Boro Breath but it doesn't make it better when Dragon Kaido was unable to kill a fodder smile like that."
I know why you won't address these points because they go against your headcanon. Again, you simply cannot expect a mid series villain to surpass the final villain. It's stupid. Idc if you ignore these points, I cannot stop your biased opinion. I wasn't lying about Kaido either.
I know why you won't address these points because they go against your headcanon. Again, you simply cannot expect a mid series villain to surpass the final villain. It's stupid. Idc if you ignore these points, I cannot stop your biased opinion. I wasn't lying about Kaido either.
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Well, you're basically insinuating that Kaido can't kill an old, sick man in a wheelchair, dude. Do you think I'm going to waste my time on you? Just come to terms with the fact that the final villain of OP is crap. If you want to change that, I recommend you become the author of OP.
It takes more than one blow for an ordinary, already old and sick human in a wheelchair. Failed to finish off Sabo, even when he had a free chance to attack him while he was distracted and carrying another person.
You see, everything I mentioned above are facts.The fact that you're making this comparison with Kaido shows your desperation. Kaido, a YC3, has nothing to do with Imu, the god of OP, having a bad portrayal. LMAO
It takes more than one blow for an ordinary, already old and sick human in a wheelchair. Failed to finish off Sabo, even when he had a free chance to attack him while he was distracted and carrying another person.
You see, everything I mentioned above are facts.The fact that you're making this comparison with Kaido shows your desperation. Kaido, a YC3, has nothing to do with Imu, the god of OP, having a bad portrayal. LMAO
Yeah,Shanks is just broken.Kaido getting the benefit of doubt for now but the question is for how long.
Pretty much this.He was instant down to like 5% hp
Im not even sure why this forum has a boner for how many people character XYZ killed lol.Who cares about that.
Do you even know what PIS is?The fact that Sabo was able to escape from IM and all 5 Gorosei tells you how much PIS was involved and how big his plotarmor was at this event
Pretty much this.He was instant down to like 5% hp
Im not even sure why this forum has a boner for how many people character XYZ killed lol.Who cares about that.
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Do you even know what PIS is?The fact that Sabo was able to escape from IM and all 5 Gorosei tells you how much PIS was involved and how big his plotarmor was at this event
Buddy I'm merely telling you that PLOT INDUCED STUPIDITY exist for a REASON.
It's not that difficult. If the plot demands it, an old dementia man can survive Kaido's Boro Breath if the plot allows it. Did you forget how that fodder survived Enel's El Thor or how Pell survived a literal nuke for no reason?
I don't have to come to terms with anything like that because it's a bunch of horseshit.
Imu is still just a silhuette and he already almost killed Sabo with a casual move. Xebec hasn't even done anything yet. What was Kaido doing when he was looking like this?
So how can you speak about the final villain being trash when it is way too soon to even judge about that?
Again, Sabo is not allowed to die, at least not yet. You are as dense as a black hole dude.
It's nothing but silly nitpicking; when I was doing the same you started ranting again, guess why?
It's not that difficult. If the plot demands it, an old dementia man can survive Kaido's Boro Breath if the plot allows it. Did you forget how that fodder survived Enel's El Thor or how Pell survived a literal nuke for no reason?
I don't have to come to terms with anything like that because it's a bunch of horseshit.
Imu is still just a silhuette and he already almost killed Sabo with a casual move. Xebec hasn't even done anything yet. What was Kaido doing when he was looking like this?
So how can you speak about the final villain being trash when it is way too soon to even judge about that?
Again, Sabo is not allowed to die, at least not yet. You are as dense as a black hole dude.
It's nothing but silly nitpicking; when I was doing the same you started ranting again, guess why?
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I can say that all the opponents Kaido failed to defeat were because of plot-induced stupidity, if it makes you feel better?!
Imu being in a silhouette doesn't change his current feats, dude. When are you going to stop using silly arguments?
Imu is weak. Sabo, injured, escapes from a room with 5 PK-level guys and one guy who is stronger than all of them combined. Oda doesn't respect Imu to the point of not even providing a decent explanation for Sabo's escape... Imu is weak. You can cry all day, compare him, and lie about Kaido, but it won't change Imu's initial portrayal. The fact that he's a shadow doesn't change anything.
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Buddy I'm merely telling you that PLOT INDUCED STUPIDITY exist for a REASON.
It's not that difficult. If the plot demands it, an old dementia man can survive Kaido's Boro Breath if the plot allows it. Did you forget how that fodder survived Enel's El Thor or how Pell survived a literal nuke for no reason?
I don't have to come to terms with anything like that because it's a bunch of horseshit.
Imu is still just a silhuette and he already almost killed Sabo with a casual move. Xebec hasn't even done anything yet. What was Kaido doing when he was looking like this?
So how can you speak about the final villain being trash when it is way too soon to even judge about that?
Again, Sabo is not allowed to die, at least not yet. You are as dense as a black hole dude.
It's nothing but silly nitpicking; when I was doing the same you started ranting again, guess why?
It's not that difficult. If the plot demands it, an old dementia man can survive Kaido's Boro Breath if the plot allows it. Did you forget how that fodder survived Enel's El Thor or how Pell survived a literal nuke for no reason?
I don't have to come to terms with anything like that because it's a bunch of horseshit.
Imu is still just a silhuette and he already almost killed Sabo with a casual move. Xebec hasn't even done anything yet. What was Kaido doing when he was looking like this?
So how can you speak about the final villain being trash when it is way too soon to even judge about that?
Again, Sabo is not allowed to die, at least not yet. You are as dense as a black hole dude.
It's nothing but silly nitpicking; when I was doing the same you started ranting again, guess why?
Imu is weak. Sabo, injured, escapes from a room with 5 PK-level guys and one guy who is stronger than all of them combined. Oda doesn't respect Imu to the point of not even providing a decent explanation for Sabo's escape... Imu is weak. You can cry all day, compare him, and lie about Kaido, but it won't change Imu's initial portrayal. The fact that he's a shadow doesn't change anything.
Considering that Shanks is a Mary Sue, the odds against Shanks are less likely. I mean, even Oden, a wannabe version of Shanks, managed to inflict PTSD to Kaido even after 20 years although Kaido ended up stronger than him at the end.
Yes, it does change A LOT.
Kaido as a silhuette: Wasn't even relevant.
Xebec as a silhuette: Hasn't done anything worthwhile yet.
Imu as a silhuette: Ordered to nuke an island and shocking the world, commands 5 top tiers, nearly killed Sabo with one move, killed Cobra. That's everything worth of 3 - 5 chapters btw.
Again, what was Kaido doing when he looked like this:
Stop dodging this time please.
Yes, it does change A LOT.
Kaido as a silhuette: Wasn't even relevant.
Xebec as a silhuette: Hasn't done anything worthwhile yet.
Imu as a silhuette: Ordered to nuke an island and shocking the world, commands 5 top tiers, nearly killed Sabo with one move, killed Cobra. That's everything worth of 3 - 5 chapters btw.
Again, what was Kaido doing when he looked like this:
Stop dodging this time please.
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Considering that Shanks is a Mary Sue, the odds against Shanks are less likely. I mean, even Oden, a wannabe version of Shanks, managed to inflict PTSD to Kaido even after 20 years although Kaido ended up stronger than him at the end.
Yes, it does change A LOT.
Kaido as a silhuette: Wasn't even relevant.
Xebec as a silhuette: Hasn't done anything worthwhile yet.
Imu as a silhuette: Ordered to nuke an island and shocking the world, commands 5 top tiers, nearly killed Sabo with one move, killed Cobra. That's everything worth of 3 - 5 chapters btw.
Again, what was Kaido doing when he looked like this:
Stop dodging this time please.
Yes, it does change A LOT.
Kaido as a silhuette: Wasn't even relevant.
Xebec as a silhuette: Hasn't done anything worthwhile yet.
Imu as a silhuette: Ordered to nuke an island and shocking the world, commands 5 top tiers, nearly killed Sabo with one move, killed Cobra. That's everything worth of 3 - 5 chapters btw.
Again, what was Kaido doing when he looked like this:
Stop dodging this time please.
Certainly, you can continue discussing and making comparisons between Cobra and an old, sick man with Speed, who is stronger than Cobra. You can also invent panels where Kaido attacks Speed with blasts of heat.
You can certainly do your best to mitigate the initial tragedy of the supposedly strongest character in the OP verse.
It also explains why he loves Bleach villains Yhwach and Aizen so much. Kubo always made his major antagonists idiotically strong to the point that the rest of the cast combined couldn't beat them before realising that the only way Ichigo could beat them is with a poorly written Deus ex Machina but if all one cares about is the author making the bad guy as strong as feasibly possible even if it absolutely makes zero sense then Bleach is right up his alley.
Kubo made his antagonists so strong that he couldn't even show off their full power. He never showed Aizen's Bankai or Yhwach using the abilities of the subordinates whose powers he absorbed which included literal reality warping.
@Sasaki Kojirō would look at this and think "peak fiction!!" because "Kaido so stronk!!!"
Kubo made his antagonists so strong that he couldn't even show off their full power. He never showed Aizen's Bankai or Yhwach using the abilities of the subordinates whose powers he absorbed which included literal reality warping.
@Sasaki Kojirō would look at this and think "peak fiction!!" because "Kaido so stronk!!!"
The writing is far worse, like how do I put this? 
Imagine if Kaido was not only 100% the strongest physical Top Tier in the verse but also had a devil fruit ability that would allow him to pretty much take on every other Top Tier single handedly. An ability so broken, that no other hax abilities can work on or even touch him. Not even in-verse reality warpers can do anything to him.
Not only that but he has CoO so good that he can simultaneously see every single possible future at once with no downsides and the aforementioned devil fruit ability allows to reach into the future and manipulate events before they even happen.
Not only that but Kaido also has a bunch of insanely strong subordinates with absolutely bullshit abilities that break the verse. For example, one of his lesser subordinates is just a straight up reality warper that can imagine anything and will it into existence.
Not only that but Kaido's devil fruit allows him to absorb and take every single other ability of all of his bat-shit insane subordinates upon their demise, including the reality warper.
Not only that but Kaido legit found the One Piece and is now just straight up God because sure, why not?
Now, imagine that this version of Kaido (who has either personally beaten every other Top Tier or has had his subordinates stall all other Top Tiers) is defeated because Usopp shot a sea stone bullet at him (which his Future Sight should have seen from a mile away) and this allows Luffy to one shot with a nameless attack.
Then instead of seeing the aftermath of any of this, we are immediately catapulted about 10 years into the future when everyone is retired with zero context or reason.
That is how Wano would end if Kubo was writing it.
Imagine if Kaido was not only 100% the strongest physical Top Tier in the verse but also had a devil fruit ability that would allow him to pretty much take on every other Top Tier single handedly. An ability so broken, that no other hax abilities can work on or even touch him. Not even in-verse reality warpers can do anything to him.
Not only that but he has CoO so good that he can simultaneously see every single possible future at once with no downsides and the aforementioned devil fruit ability allows to reach into the future and manipulate events before they even happen.
Not only that but Kaido also has a bunch of insanely strong subordinates with absolutely bullshit abilities that break the verse. For example, one of his lesser subordinates is just a straight up reality warper that can imagine anything and will it into existence.
Not only that but Kaido's devil fruit allows him to absorb and take every single other ability of all of his bat-shit insane subordinates upon their demise, including the reality warper.
Not only that but Kaido legit found the One Piece and is now just straight up God because sure, why not?
Now, imagine that this version of Kaido (who has either personally beaten every other Top Tier or has had his subordinates stall all other Top Tiers) is defeated because Usopp shot a sea stone bullet at him (which his Future Sight should have seen from a mile away) and this allows Luffy to one shot with a nameless attack.
Then instead of seeing the aftermath of any of this, we are immediately catapulted about 10 years into the future when everyone is retired with zero context or reason.
That is how Wano would end if Kubo was writing it.