Controversial Why people are so salty because of Imu and his Gorosei could be the final bosses in the series

[Peppercat]

Hmmm. Just my own two cents on the topic but I assume it has to do with how One Piece operates differently than some other shounen.
Sure, you have the likes of Kaguya or Ywach as some big examples of villains who show up later on.
Issue is buildup and how its different in One Piece.
Naruto had the entire Madara stuff and Obito for Kaguya.
Bleach had Aizen and while its true good dots exist for Ywach, this was mainly about Aizen.

But this the thing with a series as long running as One Piece.
You have so many characters and so much build up for well over 2 decades that I dont really blame people that someone like Imu kinda hogs the glory of far more established people.
We knew the WG was shady as fuck but here is overall big problem in buildup.

BB and Shanks for instance, even if they appear little there is always some major link and buildup.
One as a Nemesis, the other as a Role Model.

Gorosei just remained Gorosei for over 2 decades and while they are the brains and masterminds, the actions themselves were always someone else. Akainu, Spandam, Lucci and so on, you know what I mean.

True, Gorosei just revealed their true faces and we got Imu but there are just far more...not deserving but better built.
Akainu and BB are personal, Shanks is the role model to be overcome.

Gorosei and Imu are just the evil government in comparison. Works as a main force of darkness that enshroud the world but after more than 2 decades they are only moving now.

I suppose you can say burning the flag at Enies Lobby works as a long term suggestion to it but its not enough when the others are there.

Gorosei and Imu disappear right now:
Akainu, BB and Shanks would still be right there.
However, you cannot remove any of the other 3.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Of course you are not convinced; after all, you believe One Piece's Pain equivalent is the strongest character alive which is just bull.



I don't know, I just quoted your post, #63, which says Hagoromo is apparently Kaido.
It's not my fault you used a Naruto analogy to prove your point, lol. Why are you constantly dodging Sasaki?



Lol, find me a statement of Kaido claiming to be strongest pirate, above Roger and Primebeard. As far as I know, Kaido didn't even sniff Laugh Tale, let alone ever beating Roger on a battle.

Laugh Tale does not inflate the power of characters. Kaido doesn't need to reach Laugh Tale to be stronger than Roger. Imu-sama, who I've seen you rank above Roger, hasn't found the One Piece, either. EOS Blackbeard, who possibly won't obtain the One Piece like Kaido, is considered by many to be > Roger. So, the One Piece is a point that doesn't change anything. Dragon could very well be > Roger; he doesn't need to reach the One Piece to prove he's > Roger. Oda's statements and the statements of the characters regarding Kaido already validate Kaidou > Roger, without Kaido needing to find the One Piece.

Furthermore, find a statement about Blackbeard, whom you claim to be > Kaido, as the strongest pirate.

We have King stating that Kaido is > Roger and Prime Whitebeard. We have Oden saying that there would be no one capable of stopping Kaido, which includes Prime Whitebeard. And we have Kaido himself saying that the one who can defeat him is possibly Joyboy and not Prime Whitebeard.

Roger was also never placed above Prime Kaido. Kaido was referred to as the embodiment of strength during a time when Whitebeard and Roger were alive, which already implies that Kaido > Roger.

Kaido only sees Prime Roger and Prime Whitebeard as individuals who could possibly fight him, which tells us all we need to know.

 

[Sentinel]

Laugh Tale does not inflate the power of characters. Kaido doesn't need to reach Laugh Tale to be stronger than Roger. Imu-sama, who I've seen you rank above Roger, hasn't found the One Piece, either.

Kaido would have to meet and face the other Yonko in order to go to Laugh Tale; and facing Roger is inevitable. Kaido would be beaten by Roger, simple as that.

Imu is probably the reason why the One Piece EXIST, LMFAOO. Dude, do you even read the story?

Furthermore, find a statement about Blackbeard, whom you claim to be > Kaido, as the strongest pirate.

Statement, statement, statement - do you always live in the Now instead of looking at the future? Especially when it comes to a main antagonist whose growth isn't stagnant? If Blackbeard pushes Luffy to learn a completely new mode and PU, would Kaido's statement still save his ass?

We have King stating that Kaido is > Roger and Prime Whitebeard.

Yeah, because Kaido's subordinate is a trustful source, right?

I knew you would come up with Oden's statement about nobody capable of stopping Kaido but you literally ignore the fact that Oden foresaw how a certain character will liberate Wano from Kaido after 20 years. A Luffy who just recently turned a Yonko and will keep growing from now on.

Roger was also never placed above Prime Kaido.

Roger is literally Luffy's EOS goal; he was the freest man alive and he was the KING of the pirates. Nobody achieved this feat so far. Roger died 22 years ago. How comes nobody sailed to Laugh Tale? If it wasn't for Luffy and Blackbeard setting things in motion, the Yonko would still sit on their asses. Furthermore, the one ruling the seas wasn't Big Mom or Kaido, it was WHITEBEARD.

Kaido only sees Prime Roger and Prime Whitebeard as individuals who could possibly fight him, which tells us all we need to know.

Again, the antagonist's overconfidence isn't really an argument. We can only say that Roger, Primebeard and Kaido are comparable to each other which makes sense.

Hell, despite Kaido's statement, it didn't stop him to praise Roger's Haki in the middle of his fight lol.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Kaido would have to meet and face the other Yonko in order to go to Laugh Tale; and facing Roger is inevitable. Kaido would be beaten by Roger, simple as that.

Imu is probably the reason why the One Piece EXIST, LMFAOO. Dude, do you even read the story?



Statement, statement, statement - do you always live in the Now instead of looking at the future? Especially when it comes to a main antagonist whose growth isn't stagnant? If Blackbeard pushes Luffy to learn a completely new mode and PU, would Kaido's statement still save his ass?



Yeah, because Kaido's subordinate is a trustful source, right?

I knew you would come up with Oden's statement about nobody capable of stopping Kaido but you literally ignore the fact that Oden foresaw how a certain character will liberate Wano from Kaido after 20 years. A Luffy who just recently turned a Yonko and will keep growing from now on.



Roger is literally Luffy's EOS goal; he was the freest man alive and he was the KING of the pirates. Nobody achieved this feat so far. Roger died 22 years ago. How comes nobody sailed to Laugh Tale? If it wasn't for Luffy and Blackbeard setting things in motion, the Yonko would still sit on their asses. Furthermore, the one ruling the seas wasn't Big Mom or Kaido, it was WHITEBEARD.



Again, the antagonist's overconfidence isn't really an argument. We can only say that Roger, Primebeard and Kaido are comparable to each other which makes sense.

Hell, despite Kaido's statement, it didn't stop him to praise Roger's Haki in the middle of his fight lol.

Lines of text again? I want you to post the panel that says Imu and BB > Kaido.
I understand your position. If you don't post that panel, I will have no choice but to classify everything you've said about Imu and Blackbeard as your personal thoughts.

What I see is a person using subjective analyses as a reader trying to override even the statements of the ultimate authority of this manga, which is the author. Have a good afternoon. Kaido is superior to Imu and Blackbeard; subjectivity won't change that.

 

[Steven]

And we have Kaido himself saying that the one who can defeat him

That just some self proclaimed shit.

Don Krieg called himself the WSM.Should i put him above WB?

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

That just some self proclaimed shit.

Don Krieg called himself the WSM.Should i put him above WB?

Well, you can choose to ignore Kaido's perspective and interpret the statement in any way you like, but that won't change Kaido's thoughts on the matter, unfortunately.

As a reader, and giving my subjective opinion, I believe Kaido is correct since he is a person who sailed with Whitebeard for years, witnessed the strength of Roger and others at God Valley, and is not considered an arrogant person, having even a top 5 list of people who could face him.

Additionally, Kaido's top 5 list consists of people he only thinks are capable of facing him, as proven in Chapter 1044 when Kaido states that there is no being in the world capable of defeat him, which includes Shanks, previously defined by Kaido as able to fight him. Therefore, Roger, Whitebeard, Oden, Xebec, and Shanks are definitely only assessed by Kaido as capable of fighting against him. This is Kaido's perspective, having sailed with Xebec until his defeat, sailed with Whitebeard, been involved with Roger at God Valley, fought Oden, and clashed with Shanks.

So the kaidou perspective seems very valid to me.

 

[NAMELESS]

There was hundreds posts about Imu as the final villain and why he shouldn't be final villain, his comparison to Kaguya from Naruto, and that became a reason why proper thread about Imu should exist.

Gorosei was introduced in chapter 233 that called: Those who rules this world.

This chapter was famous all time case it introduced Whitebeard strongest man in the world, Shichibukai and Gorosei. Now from the moment when I saw those old dudes I've got feeling thay possibly could be the final villains in the series. After W7/Ennies Lobby saga this feeling about Gorosei beign the final villains grew even stronger. Ancient Kingdom created One Piece, D. Clan inherited will of people who was citizens or rulers of Ancient Kingdom. And after Marinford war the feeling that the real final enemy is World Goverment became only stronger, case translation of WB last words implied that after finding One Piece where will be war(now that could be wrong translation, but that was feeling I've got there).

I even theorised that there could be hidden king of WG, or someone can became King of WG to became the final villain in this series. But that theory was hell weak. Gorosei even with scars that implied from chapter 233 that they should be fighters, wasn't someone who could take role of final villain. Luffy has to fight the real leader of organization, not just against one of elders. That's the hidden rule of any shonen.

But then we saw Imu first time and that was answer that I was looking for. Imu the Immortal King of World Goverment, who personaly destroyed Ancient Kingdom and was the reason of One Piece story existance is the real Final VIllain of this series.

Luffy and his crew from Arabasta was fighting against World Goverment, not just pirates. WG was the reason why Shichibukai existance, which caoused the cosequences in face of Crocodile who decided to take over whole kingdom. WG was Roger's main enemy, case WG killed so many people who somehow contacted with Roger, and WG dig ground wil klling even babys to find Roger's son. Akainu and Marines are WG puppets was exist to protect WG. WG was real Luffy's enemy in entire series untill we faced Younko.

Now I know people could be furious because of my next words, but Younko are nothing more than just fillers. The only reason why they exist was to give Luffy challenge between pirates, to make him great pirate and nothing more. Defeating Younko never was end goal of series.

But there is still question, that should be asked, what about Marshal D. Teach? His name gave you answer already. He is from D. Clan, maybe he is not good guy, but he wants One Piece, his is Luffy's rival, but rival doesn't mean the Final Enemy, depending on series ofcourse. The Main reason why both Luffy and Teach are trying their best to find One Piece is to fullfill inherited will of their ancestors, whi was killed by Imu the King of WG.

SO why then people don't want Imu to be the final villain?

It is simple because of headcanons and desire for Younko to be the strongest in the whole world. Same goes with Admiral fans who don't want for power scaling change so much, that their beloved admiral wouldn't be even in top 10 strongest characters. Each reason creates own agenda. While other readers just want this story to be just a pirate story, due their agenda that pirate story is story when pirates are fighting against pirates. BUT in reality pirate story was always fighing between pirates and military forces of some countries.

Best example here should Pirates of the Caribbean, where after dealing with Davy Jones pirates Will Turner and Jack Sparrow united their forces against Invincible strongest Millirary ship and destroyed it. Basically main enemy of pirates was force like WG, but they was fighing against pirates most of time.

But could same enging work with One PIece? I can Imagine Luffy became the King of Pirates and unites forces against WG, but the something strange starts to happening: Marrines broke in two branches, that created a possibilty that Marrines forces will be not united in the final battle. While due the fact that Luffy will be King he wll summon all his alies from W7 to Wano country, that we met in this series. But for what? To deal with WG the ancient kingdom real enemy.

I think most people are afraid Imu might be kaguya 2.0.Which is ridiculous since Oda is developing and setting her/him up into a antagonist role.The Gorosei were portrayed as fighter since the early OP(scars and weapons).

 

[Steven]

Well, you can choose to ignore Kaido's perspective and interpret the statement in any way you like, but that won't change Kaido's thoughts on the matter, unfortunately.

Its still just a self proclaimed statement

As a reader, and giving my subjective opinion, I believe Kaido is correct since he is a person who sailed with Whitebeard for years, witnessed the strength of Roger and others at God Valley, and is not considered an arrogant person, having even a top 5 list of people who could face him.

Kaido himself hyped Rogers Haki.Cant get more obv

Additionally, Kaido's top 5 list consists of people he only thinks are capable of facing him, as proven in Chapter 1044 when Kaido states that there is no being in the world capable of defeat him, which includes Shanks, previously defined by Kaido as able to fight him. Therefore, Roger, Whitebeard, Oden, Xebec, and Shanks are definitely only assessed by Kaido as capable of fighting against him. This is Kaido's perspective

Yes,Kaidos own perspective.Not to say Luffy defeated.So much for Kaidos "no one can defeat me"

A specific character whom Blackbeard, the final villain, calls a fearsome monster, and those closest to Imu are afraid to provoke him.

Im 99% sure IM dont even know that Kaido exist.IM dont give a shit about such "no" name persons.If he wanted Kaido dead,he would just nuke Wano like he nuked the Kingdom

Btw,Hagoromo is outdated.He has no buiseness with current God Tiers.And Kaido will have no buisness in the end game.You cant be serious to believe a mid-villain stays the strongest forever

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Its still just a self proclaimed statement

Kaido himself hyped Rogers Haki.Cant get more obv

Yes,Kaidos own perspective.Not to say Luffy defeated.So much for Kaidos "no one can defeat me"

Im 99% sure IM dont even know that Kaido exist.IM dont give a shit about such "no" name persons.If he wanted Kaido dead,he would just nuke Wano like he nuked the Kingdom

Btw,Hagoromo is outdated.He has no buiseness with current God Tiers

This debunks your reasoning that it's a self-proclaimed statement. The panel of King does too. And also if Kaidou is calling himself the strongest that doesn't mean that because it's a self-claim it's wrong man...

 

[Steven]

This debunks your reasoning that it's a self-proclaimed statement. The panel of King does too.

Nice paintskills as usual man

King,Kaidos FANBOY has legit 0 credibility in that aspect

Wow,stuff from a volume lol.WBs hype shits on Kaidos

Even BM,Kaidos equal puts him above the other Yonkous

"And EVEN Whitebeard"
He also ruled the seas for decades meanwhile Kaido sitting on his ass in Wano because WB was the gatekeeper for the OP,unable to overcome him

Shanks already stopped Kaido

Its just a matter of time when Kaidos hype will be gone.He aint a endgame villain

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Nice paintskills as usual man

King,Kaidos FANBOY has legit 0 credibility in that aspect

Wow,stuff from a volume lol.WBs hype shits on Kaidos

Even BM,Kaidos equal puts him above the other Yonkous

"And EVEN Whitebeard"
He also ruled the seas for decades meanwhile Kaido sitting on his ass in Wano because WB was the gatekeeper for the OP,unable to overcome him

Shanks already stopped Kaido

Its just a matter of time when Kaidos hype will be gone.He aint a endgame villain

Posting panels of Shanks engaging in a fight with Kaidou somehow became a form of Shanks > Kaidou.
I love how this is taken as a source for Shanks > Kaidou, but Kaidou himself in Wano declaring that Shanks can't beat him isn't. LOL

What was this supposed to prove when Roger's former subordinate said that Whitebeard was the same as PK who was spitting blood and sick, and finally concluding that WB being old, sick, and having heart attacks is the strongest pirate? Whitebeard is far from WSP.

Reality is that Oden is saying that the "Strongest Pirate" can't stop Kaidou. LMAO
A winning title at a time when Kaidou was out of his prime.
Or are you going to say that Oden's statement, the man who witnessed Prime WB and Roger face each other for 3 days, is wrong? LMAO

"EVEN" is said to be for a context where military resources were involved and as mentioned in the databook, Whitebeard's crew was considered the best and therefore most difficult to defeat in general, it does not say that Whitebeard > Kaidou.
Because about Whitebeard, Kaidou only thinks he can fight him, you choose to ignore what Kaidou says about Whitebeard's strength but automatically believe what Big Mom thinks. LMAO
Prime Whitebeard = Only able to fight Kaidou, that's what Kaidou thinks about it.

Akainu still thinks Oden is alive, should I trust what he says?

Shanks and his entire crew stopping Kaidou with just King and Shanks got involved in a conflict with Kaidou and still couldn't defeat him and after this incident Kaidou is saying that Shanks can't beat him, and that somehow shape is an L for Kaidou? This only makes Kaidou's self-claim to be the strongest even more believable, since he fought against Shanks, Esteven-chan.

Nice paintskills as usual man

I'm talking to a layman, the panel posted is from an SBS that was not modified by me, you can search on the internet: SBS about GEAR 5.

Its just a matter of time when Kaidos hype will be gone.He aint a endgame villain

Wrong subjective way of viewing this manga honestly, I could say that Shanks > Prime Whitebeard and ignore all the materials released about Whitebeard being stronger than Shanks and claim that Shanks is more important and is related to the end of the story is more powerful than Whitebeard, does that make sense?

 

[BlackLegFring]

The past is the past. The future is now, old man.

Kaido & Wano are best relegated to the annals of history. The future is Blackbeard, then Imu and the WG.

 

[Steven]

Or are you going to say that Oden's statement, the man who witnessed Prime WB and Roger face each other for 3 days, is wrong? LMAO

You mean the guy who got yeeted away by Kamusari and didnt even connected with Roger?Yeah,Odens words means nothing as he was neg-low diff material for Roger

Wrong subjective way of viewing this manga honestly, I could say that Shanks > Prime Whitebeard and ignore all the materials released about Whitebeard being stronger than Shanks and claim that Shanks is more important and is related to the end of the story is more powerful than Whitebeard, does that make sense?

For now WB gets the benefit of doubt but Shanks might surpass him,yeah.Shanks is endgame material.Kaido not

 

[Apollo]

The funniest thing about this topic is how rent free admiral fans live in the minds of some users like @Durableguy accusing us of being salty over Imu/Gorosei when a yonko fan like @Sasaki Kojirō is being salty in real-time in the same thread.

Peak clowns

OT: Imu was set up to be the final villain since his intro, the Ancient Kingdom/Void Century/Joyboy was always the endgame and Imu is the only one left from that era to play the villain role. And guess who Luffy is? Joyboy (Imu's Enemy) reincarnated.

 

[nik87]

I havent seen anyone being salty about Imu possibly being the final villain.
More like people are disappointed because Imu just doesnt feel like a final villain.
There are also good arguments why Imu and Gorosei may not be the final obstacle.
People will be really salty if it turns out that Buggy and CG are the final challenge.
Instead of Imu, Blackbeard or whoever they thought of...

 

[BlackLegFring]

The funniest thing about this topic is how rent free admiral fans live in the minds of some users like @Durableguy accusing us of being salty over Imu/Gorosei when a yonko fan like @Sasaki Kojirō is being salty in real-time in the same thread.

Peak clowns

OT: Imu was set up to be the final villain since his intro, the Ancient Kingdom/Void Century/Joyboy was always the endgame and Imu is the only one left from that era to play the villain role. And guess who Luffy is? Joyboy (Imu's Enemy) reincarnated.

I noticed the rants too and just found them amusing. It’s literally just the Simpson’s meme of “Old man yells at cloud,” but it’s the usual suspects yelling about the Admirals…even on thread unrelated to them.

 

[Konstantis]

I havent seen anyone being salty about Imu possibly being the final villain.
More like people are disappointed because Imu just doesnt feel like a final villain.
There are also good arguments why Imu and Gorosei may not be the final obstacle.
People will be really salty if it turns out that Buggy and CG are the final challenge.
Instead of Imu, Blackbeard or whoever they thought of...

Buggy the Final Villain, I believe that I should that as poll option...but NAAAAH

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More like people are disappointed because Imu just doesnt feel like a final villain.

Yup wiping out entire island and immortality means nothing compared to Dracule Mihawk, who is carrying Fraud title and wasn't able to defeat Vista.

 

[nik87]

Buggy the Final Villain, I believe that I should that as poll option...but NAAAAH

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Yup wiping out entire island and immortality means nothing compared to Dracule Mihawk, who is carrying Fraud title and wasn't able to defeat Vista.

And supposedly other people are salty...

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I havent seen anyone being salty about Imu possibly being the final villain.
More like people are disappointed because Imu just doesnt feel like a final villain.
There are also good arguments why Imu and Gorosei may not be the final obstacle.
People will be really salty if it turns out that Buggy and CG are the final challenge.
Instead of Imu, Blackbeard or whoever they thought of...

Imu joining cross guild and having them be the final villain is happening

 

[Konstantis]

And supposedly other people are salty...

there is difference between saltiness and delusion