General & Others The official translator of Brazilian Manga Plus has just exposed Stephen Paul, the translator...

We are reading a manga that is being written by:


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TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#41
Japanese is gramatically vastly different than any Western language, a lot of things can be said in similar ways but have different meanings based on the general connotation and context.

This is why they have bunch of ways to say "I", because even though all have same meaning, conotations are vastly different (i.e., "boku" is generally used by boys while "ore" is a very impolite/egoistical way of saying "I")

You can see similar problem with translation of this panel even in the spoiler thread, as some imply one, some the other.

However, I find TDA's note to be interesting:
For the sake of transparency, according to MShadows who lives in Japan and is fluent, Zoro refers to Kaido as the World's Strongest in a sort of mocking way:

Zoro: I have come here to cut down the so called “strongest in the world” Kaido!!!

Even if "so called" is not a literal term used, based on which kanji or specific word constructed through hiragana/katakana in the context of sentence, it can be implied (hence the "sort of mocking way" mentioned by TDA)

At the end of the day, it simply isn't possible to fully appreciate the work when being consumed in a completely different culture and a different language.



The irony...
MShadows seems generally reliable on NF any time translations pop up in the Bleach section.
 
#44
There is no irony. I was respecting Kaido as the strongest until very recently until I found proof for him not being the strongest.
Ask any Kaido fan that I was arguing for him the whole time.
How can you say "L for those who denied it" and then proceed to deny it?
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That’s where Mshadows is a mod at? That’s the translator that TDA is quoting.
There was supposed to be a 2nd question mark there lol

But yeah, thanks for info, makes most sense and is in line with what I know about Japanese language
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#45
Japanese is gramatically vastly different than any Western language, a lot of things can be said in similar ways but have different meanings based on the general connotation and context.

This is why they have bunch of ways to say "I", because even though all have same meaning, conotations are vastly different (i.e., "boku" is generally used by boys while "ore" is a very impolite/egoistical way of saying "I")

You can see similar problem with translation of this panel even in the spoiler thread, as some imply one, some the other.

However, I find TDA's note to be interesting:
For the sake of transparency, according to MShadows who lives in Japan and is fluent, Zoro refers to Kaido as the World's Strongest in a sort of mocking way:

Zoro: I have come here to cut down the so called “strongest in the world” Kaido!!!

Even if "so called" is not a literal term used, based on which kanji or specific word constructed through hiragana/katakana in the context of sentence, it can be implied (hence the "sort of mocking way" mentioned by TDA)

At the end of the day, it simply isn't possible to fully appreciate the work when being consumed in a completely different culture and a different language.



The irony...
Honestly, the context of the scene doesn't seem to suggest that Zoro was mocking when he had just seen Kiku's arm fall into a hole, gotten angry, and become very serious, defeated Apoo, obtained the antidote, and so on... But we also shouldn't dismiss the possibility that this guy on a Naruto forum might be motivated by an agenda. Agendas can be terrible, and they're all over the place.
 
#46
Yes, I found it strange that Kid and Killer were literally stating in one chapter that Kaido is the most powerful pirate in the world, and in the next chapter, Oda has Zoro saying, "They say." So, I went to verify this with an official translator, and he confirmed that neither the words "They say" nor "Man" are present in Zoro's speech. LMAO.

Not to mention that in Kaido's introduction, all translators, even teachers, translate it differently from the version published in English by VIZ.

So, basically, Stephen is writing his own manga, just using Oda's panels to avoid the trouble of drawing the manga.
Yeah, he's writing his own manga on the basis that the Japanese language doesn't translate one to one so he needs to flip it so it can be read and understood better for english readers.. It's crazy.. The translator should be as much impartial as possible.. You're not trying to make someone's else biography and write it in your own way here..
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#48
Yeah, he's writing his own manga on the basis that the Japanese language doesn't translate one to one so he needs to flip it so it can be read and understood better for english readers.. It's crazy.. The translator should be as much impartial as possible.. You're not trying to make someone's else biography and write it in your own way here..
I feel like One Piece has become like Wikipedia, a site where anyone can edit the information, and it's not very reliable, simply because there are multiple translations for the same word, and there are agendas involved, etc...

The originality and, unfortunately, the author's intentions when writing any panel can be lost due to a translation error... It's at this moment that I lament my inability to know Japanese so that the lascivious interpretations of the words written in Japanese on the panels can depend solely on me and not on others translating something wrong!

Having said that, I won't be reading the English version of One Piece anymore, so I won't have a place in this forum because it seems like we're reading different manga. The Japanese read one thing, the English readers something else, and so on...
 
#51
I understand but you should also understand that Mihawk is the one who remains and is saved for the very finale and was referred to as the Strongest Power in the World long before Kaido and WB and now we are making a full circle, coming back to him.
Kaido's words >Haki conquers everything are literally Mihawk's hype tool and hint for him being the strongest if haki to forge the strongest weapon in the world wasnt enough of evidence...
Mihawk is only the strongest swordsman and is reserved for Zoro. He can be weaker then the other two.

Kaido was also refered to as the strongest individual multiple times while Mihawk was active.

Kaidos words are flawed, he didnt know how Roger became PK. We do.

Strongest weapon doesnt mean strongest fighter by the way.

For the record I am fine if Mihawk is revealed to be stronger but I have them as roughly equal with Kaido edging it out.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#54
Your head is too far up your own butt, for Zoro..


Mihawk is only the strongest swordsman and is reserved for Zoro. He can be weaker then the other two.

Kaido was also refered to as the strongest individual multiple times while Mihawk was active.

Kaidos words are flawed, he didnt know how Roger became PK. We do.

Strongest weapon doesnt mean strongest fighter by the way.

For the record I am fine if Mihawk is revealed to be stronger but I have them as roughly equal with Kaido edging it out.
He can be weaker but he isnt.
Whitebeard was referred to WSM multiple times too but you have to understand that WSM and WSC are relics from decades ago when Mihawk was a teenager and wasnt a contender for those titles. In the present, Mihawk is the actual title holder of all 3.

Roger is irrelevant to Kaido's words, they serve to hype up Mihawk, the guy who is relevant in the finale instead ofRoger who is dead...
Strongest weapon being a result of the strongest haki means the strongest fighter. This has been repeated over and over again. The strongest haki wins and that's exactly what Mihawk told Zoro is required in order to beat him.

It is fine to still support Kaido as #1 as the evidence for Mihawk is very slim and even I barely noticed it in the last couple of months...
 
#55
Stop with nonsense already Kaido is not the strongest , he never was or will be he was just hyped as next villain , he got defeated he is gone now. We already were there with Whitebeard and even before. Stop taking those statements literally manga called Don Krieg as strongest in the world 4 times its manga fact Don Kreig > Kaido

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Those are self proclaimed. We usually don't accept those
 
#56
I think people take the titles a bit too literally. By the way, although I prefer literal translations where possible, I think it's not a big deal if a translator takes small liberties and preserves the general sense. Also keep in mind that not everyone cares much about powerscaling, infact most don't at all.
 
#59
@Sasaki Kojirō What you are talking about as an L for Zoro is actually a win, it confirms that Zoro is not only stuck on being only the strongest swordsmen but the strongest overall and that's why he said that. Swordsman or not, Zoro aims to be the strongest and in his eyes the best way to achieve that is through being the WSS.

It might have been an L for Mihawk fans but as @nik87 pointed out, Mihawk has already been called the strongest power by Zoro so it can be Mihawk >=< Kaido.

As for the biggest L, it is for those who have been spouting shit about Kaido. He is literally portrayed equal to Ryuma in the sense that his presence kept Wano safe from intruders like Ryuma. The only one who could beat Kaido was Joyboy and we saw how many rounds that required.

Though in a matchup setting Mihawk does have an advantage because Yoru is stronger/tougher than the Kanabo and swordsmen have higher lethality.
 
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