Controversial General Political Discussion

[Monkey D Theories]

I don’t want innocent people to die. But the only way to stop the violence is for Israel to stop committing crimes against the Palestinians.

Israel’s recent actions, murdering countless scores of innocents, destroying entire families, has already bred a new generation of terrorists,

Imo anyone who seriously cares about saving Jewish lives would oppose Israel’s evil regime. But no, every time israel is attacked we just double down on support for israel.

Great. See y’all in the next war.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Hot take. I think Israel deserved the October 7th attack by Hamas.

No one deserves to be attacked

It's not hard to understand that is not incompatible be against both hamas terrorist attack and all the war crimes Israel is doing

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Don't use religion to justify death and genocide. That's what got us here in the first place. Civilian deaths are never justified.

Their deaths were a tragedy for sure.

But I can’t say that an oppressed people should just be complicit in their own oppression and ethic cleansing.

I think Palestine has a right to self defense.

None the less I don’t want people to die. Which is why Israel’s oppressive policies need to end.

 

[Logiko]

Who tf is Billy???????????

You are Billy, the little Billy, the representation of the one who think they know better.

But you make things actively worse.

Oh ? Really ? By stopping people from spitting hatred and putting myserlf as the target instead, I'm making things "worse" ?

Are you the kind of guy that is going feminist that say "f*ck men" and dare saying to them "you are hurting you cause" ? Don't tell, I know you are.

What I'm doing is creating a new target. I'm deflecting the shots and waste the time of the bigots so they can spit less hate.

You don't understand real militantism. Militantism in my case is not about changing people's mind, its too annoy haters enough that they don't dare take a foot again on this forum.

I know where this is going... Nothing justifies assault.

Oh! So suddenly, an insult becomes an assaut ? Looks like you just put a limit on free speech yourself.

How can you have the gull to say you do more than me

Did I say that ? I only see your action, I don't care about something that I can't verify. I too for a period was donating a lot to charity, I was still a jerk.

You absolute Buffon.

See.. you are starting to become yourself. Finally showing your true form.

Hot take. I think Israel deserved the October 7th attack by Hamas.

You win a report for that.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Their deaths were a tragedy for sure.

But I can’t say that an oppressed people should just be complicit in their own oppression and ethic cleansing.

I think Palestine has a right to self defense.

None the less I don’t want people to die. Which is why Israel’s oppressive policies need to end.

A war crime doesn't justify a war crime. Why not target the IDF instead of civilians? I'm talking exclusively about Hamas here. Palestinians don't have to be perfect victims, but we can't just kill innocents because their grandparents where colonizers.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

A war crime doesn't justify a war crime. Why not target the IDF instead of civilians? I'm talking exclusively about Hamas here. Palestinians don't have to be perfect victims, but we can't just kill innocents because their grandparents where colonizers.

It isn’t fair that those people died.

I just don’t believe Hamas can really be blamed when they are merely reacting to a situation Israel has created.

I blame the deaths of those people on Israel for creating a scenario antithetical to peace.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

It isn’t fair that those people died.

I just don’t believe Hamas can really be blamed when they are merely reacting to a situation Israel has created.

I blame the deaths of those people on Israel for creating a scenario antithetical to peace.

Israel bares a lot of the blame. But this is a war crime. They raped teenagers. That shit is abhorrent.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

It isn’t fair that those people died.

I just don’t believe Hamas can really be blamed when they are merely reacting to a situation Israel has created.

I blame the deaths of those people on Israel for creating a scenario antithetical to peace.

They have to be blamed, not the gaza people

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Israel bares a lot of the blame. But this is a war crime. They raped teenagers. That shit is abhorrent.

That is true

but I just don’t think it’s a productive conversation to dwell on this.

Israel has all of the power. They had 70+ years to get a peace deal. Instead they did the six day war, occupied Gaza and the West Bank, and have turned people living in these regions into second class citizens.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

That is true

but I just don’t think it’s a productive conversation to dwell on this.

Israel has all of the power. They had 70+ years to get a peace deal. Instead they did the six day war, occupied Gaza and the West Bank, and have turned people living in these regions into second class citizens.

Yes, but you will just play into their game where they'll accuse of anti-Semitism if you say this.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

They have to be blamed, not the gaza people

I blame israel because israel has the power to end the conflict.

Hamas has zero power. That’s why they’re terrorists, because that is literally all they can do.

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Yes, but you will just play into their game where they'll accuse of anti-Semitism if you say this.

I mean I’m criticizing israel from a religiously Jewish POV.

And I feel like Judaism has a long history of exactly these types of discourse.

Like I’m pretty sure the consensus on Jewish exile is that G-d sent jews into exile as a punishment.

Some Jews even go so far to say the Holocaust was a divine punishment, although imo that’s too far.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

I blame israel because israel has the power to end the conflict.

Hamas has zero power. That’s why they’re terrorists, because that is literally all they can do.

So you dont blame the attack?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

So you dont blame the attack?

That's not what he's saying. He's saying Israel has enacted a situation in which this sort of scenario would be inevitable with full knowledge it would end up this way. Hamas still bares responsibility for the warcrime, but the architect of this conflict is most definitely the Israeli state.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

That's not what he's saying. He's saying Israel has enacted a situation in which this sort of scenario would be inevitable with full knowledge it would end up this way. Hamas still bares responsibility for the warcrime, but the architect of this conflict is most definitely the Israeli state.

I understanding that, he is showing why the situation come to this, but I'm curious if he blame or not what happened

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I understanding that, he is showing why the situation come to this, but I'm curious if he blame or not what happened

I think the terrorism started first and foremost with Israel. Zionism requires a forcible transfer of land from arab to jew so to create a jewish majority state which could have otherwise never been created as jews never had a majority in the land.

Is Hamas responsible for the attack? Sure

But I feel like people who are pro-Israel constantly use Hamas to obscure Israel's far greater responsibility.

 

[AL sama]

Yapping its something. If at least it can bothers the like of the bigoted here and stop them from spitting hate, my work is done.



Let me rephrase your sentence: "You are not legitimate" "you are not worthy" "you are full of BS".. Continue being this toxic against the one who fight it and I will put you in the box of those who spit hate, and not those who fight it.



Let me rephrase your sentence: "Politic doesn't matter on a weeb forum" More proof that you are confused about the power of politic fights.



Let me rephrase your sentence: "I can't make a difference so I will fight for other not to make one"

You are the proof that I'm making a difference. The fact that I have a solid reputation of being a nutjob on this forum is the proof that I'm making a difference.

You actually care too much about what people think about you. Me on the other hand, I don't. If fighting hatred means that I have the entire forum against me, I'm fine with it. At least I will be standing for something. But you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing but taking people down. And this shows in the way you speak. I might be not speaking english very well, but I respect others, I ll not insult them at the first occasion.

Now go for it. Show me that you don't care about politic. Show me that you actually think that posting here don't make a difference..

.. And stop posting.

here's a sincere advise if you really wanna help people then become a content creator and make videos on topics that you feel like the world needs to be aware of

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you can't go out but you can do this without going out

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Anyways, I don't actually support Hamas. I don't think their political ideology is very good. From my understanding they are antisemites and islamic fundamentalists.

But to what degree can I condemn their violence? These people are living in a prison. Their families were violently kicked out of their homes into this open air prison that Israel routinely bombs the shit out of.

They're living under the occupation of a power that wants nothing more than for them to die or be expelled for the growth of the "jewish" state.

Their have been numerous peace talks, and they have all gone nowhere.
All the attempts of appeasing Israel has gone nowhere.
There is no hamas in the west bank, and the people there are living under apartheid.

These people aren't inherently violent. They are violent because they were born into a world that gave them no other option but to be violent.

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I don't agree with people who cheered the Hamas attacks. Or the people who were happy that Israelis died.
Its awful that some people disrespect human life in that way.

But I don't think you can create true peace until you understand who is responsible for this decades long conflict. imo it can only be Israel and the western powers that support it.

 

[AL sama]

Hot take. I think Israel deserved the October 7th attack by Hamas.

It’s a tragedy for any person to die, however….

In the Torah it is shown exactly what happens to nations when they go against the will of G-d. Egypt oppresssed the Israelites for decades. G-d gave the pharaoh many chances to change his ways and he didn’t listen. Then you all know what happened.

It’s the same thing for Israel. They oppresssed the Palestinians for decades. Jews aren’t even allowed to mistreat immigrants. That’s a line that’s been repeated multiple times in the Torah. “You shall not oppress the stranger amongst you for you were once strangers in Egypt…”

Then imagine how great of a sin it is to oppress the Palestinians who aren’t strangers, but are the native people of the land.

Yet israel did this for decades despite having ample opportunities to create peace. October 7th was the inevitable consequence of these evil actions.

innocent people are innocent people regardless so this is utter nonsense

 

[Logiko]

here's a sincere advise if you really wanna help people then become a content creator and make videos on topics that you feel like the world needs to be aware of

Why do you think I'm trying to become a writer ?

 

[AL sama]

Why do you think I'm trying to become a writer ?

this is the digital era fam so making videos is a better and faster option in my opinion