How is that an L. Tell me about the societies that were formed without the male as the default head
Prehistorical societies. (Most probably)
The concept of patriarchy is related in time to the concept of sedenterisation. Which means that patriarchy most probably appeared during the Neolithic
 
Lol that point where people are talking about religion and someone just starts waving scripture at you. Jeez
I'm not sorry, for scripture has been waved here over the course of the debate. There is a recency bias -- and a clear disrespect of my own faith.

But no matter:

"As Scripture says, 'Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.'" Romans 10:11.
 
Sure, what other religion has talked about this, or fixed a certain amount?
?

Im smelling some whataboutism
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That's what I said.

You are criticizing the religion. In your own words, you despise Islam. That makes you an Islamophobe.

Nothing more, nothing less.
Oof, guess i have to repeat myself again.

If by islamophobia you just mean dislike of the religion, then sure.

If you also mean dislike of muslims, then no.

Not that hard
 
Religion and its followers are inseparable.
Gonna add to this: doesnt make any sense, considering there are countless different ways muslims practice their religion. Even further, they have varying opinions on what the religion teaches, resulting in different denominations that oppose each other and even fight.

Doubt you guys would consider ahmadiyyas to be muslims for example.
 
Ok, last question;

Are not the Muslims followers of Islam?

You hate what Islam teaches, but dont hate the Muslims who follow those teachings?

Yes, it is hard to comprehend. You are saying you hate the sun, not the sunlight.

Why specifically the use of strong words like hate and despise?

Islam sucks mind you so does all religions
Its fine, nobody asked you to follow it.
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Who said they are Muslims?
For them to be Muslims they need to believe that Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) is the last prophet.

But they claim that Ahmad is the new prophet.
This is just absurd. It is like saying I am new Jesus. Lol
This tells that you are here just for the chaos.
 
Ok, last question;

Are not the Muslims followers of Islam?

You hate what Islam teaches, but dont hate the Muslims who follow those teachings?

Yes, it is hard to comprehend. You are saying you hate the sun, not the sunlight.

Why specifically the use of strong words like hate and despise?
I dont think you'd be asking this if you had actually engaged with my posts on this topic. But well, another repeat.

Adherents of a religion dont necessarily follow everything in said religion. And adherents clearly practice the religion in different ways (refer to my last post about denominations). Thats why i make the distinction between the religion and its adherents. And within islam, what secondqry scriptures are used (hadith for example) also differs alot.

Teachings of a religion =/= what adherents practice.

No matter how much you want to force bigotry against muslims on me for criticizing the scripture because you are unable to make this very important distinction.

So yeah, i despise islam for a multitude of reasons, but i dont despise muslims. Unless of course for radical islamists who would probably want me dead for the things i say about their precious religion.
Not sure about the relevant studies and how many muslims hold radical views like killing apostates for example, but its a minority afaik.
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Who said they are Muslims?
For them to be Muslims they need to believe that Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) is the last prophet.

But they claim that Ahmad is the new prophet.
This is just absurd. It is like saying I am new Jesus. Lol
This tells that you are here just for the chaos.
Actually they claim ahmad is the mahdi and second coming of jesus, both of which is prophesized.

Edit: and well they say they are muslims, and your reaction is quite literally proving my point
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Islam sucks mind you so does all religions
Not sure about all religons, there are too many i dont know about. But if they value revelation over reason, then they most likely suck
 
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Teachings of a religion =/= what adherents practice.
I asked a simple question.
What if they practice it?


Just say YES or NO:

Will you hate them if they practice Islam?

Actually they claim ahmad is the mahdi and second coming of jesus, both of which is prophesized.
"They claimed" and you believed them?

Again, you are here for chaos. You have everything negative that there is in universe and spew it here. This is classic example of an Islamophobe.


Do you want to separate Islam, the religion, from its followers?

Is it the first step to say: You will be fine as long as you dont practice Islam?
 
Listen to the scholars' interpretations of those verses and how they ask Muslims to follow these verses and under what conditions.

If you hate Zakir Naik, pick someone else.

Have you heard of Ahmed Deedat?

Try watching his debates.

The rights of women... how biased can you be?
Read what used to happen to women before Islam.
They were used to be buried alive.
Islam, at that time, provided more relief to women than any other religion. The standards have changed due to Western culture... yes CULTURE, not any religion.
If you want to talk about women's rights in specific CULTURES. Lets debate.
Dont run away from this.

Hint:
Check and compare divorce rates
Single mothers
Relate crime rates resulting from children who grew up without parents
Percentage of OnlyFans girls from different cultures (western vs Islamic)
Women having the freedom of being

single mothers
Pornstars
Divorce their husbands

are all good things. Why are you pointing out our good qualities?
 
They claimed" and you believed them?

Again, you are here for chaos. You have everything negative that there is in universe and spew it here. This is classic example of an Islamophobe.


Do you want to separate Islam, the religion, from its followers?

Is it the first step to say: You will be fine as long as you dont practice Islam?
You are seriously not engaging with what im saying but im the one here for chaos. Riiiight.

Feel free to reread my posts, i adressed what you are saying here.
 
You can disagree and still be respectful about it.

You dont have to burn Quran to say that you dont agree with Islam.

Report the number of cases when Muslims killed Apostates? Cite a credible source and give me numbers.

Your hate is based on hypothetical scnearios.
1) im being fairly respectful considering you are misrepresenting what im saying like crazy
2) burning the quran?! Where the fuck is this coming from?
3) you still dont get the distinction. Im not talking about muslims. Im still well aware most muslims dont want apostates dead. So the rate of muslims holding this view isnas irrelevant as it can be to my point.But those who do have that view because its in the scriptures (not quran but hadith).
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Is it hard to say yes or no?

Will you hate those who practice Islam?
Is it hard to read?
 
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