Not sure how often i need to repeat myself: im.making a distinction between the religion and its adherents.
Religion and its followers are inseparable.

If the followers are not following something, then there must have been a reason within that religion, a certain condition, or something else.
(Not because of societal pressure, or whatever you want to imply).
You are no judge to criticise a religion or its followers.
 
Dont need to pretend.

Already mentioned couple things, like quran not giving an age limit for marriage and intercourse. Because it specifies an iddah for prebubescent girls and also specifies there is no iddah if the marriage wasnt consummated. Tafsirs agree with my description of this. Meme hijab also stated this in speakers corner before
Iddah is for:
Women that lost their husbands
Divorcees
Divorcees that are pregnant (iddah ends when they give birth)

If there was no consumation, they can marry immediately.

After a girl has her period she becomes a woman (and takes on religious duties). So in this sense, prepubescent girls having iddah doesn't even make sense. How can thay have iddah when they haven't been divorced or lost their husbands when they can't even marry in the first place?
 
You are operating with hate in your heart, to he who holds difference views. You may claim to be in the light, but you are still in dark, for we are one under god, even the unbelievers. We must show humility and grace and mercy, friend.

"Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice." - Ephesians 4:31.
Shut up

I claimed nothing motherfucker.

Quote me claiming one thing is bad and the other thing is right.
 
How is it antilogical motherfucker? You, yourself, said that why men are allowed to have 4 wives, and women cant have 4 husbands?

Are you saying your arguments are antilogical?
This is what I would expect from a clown like you.
Read my post again, its about fairness/equality
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Iddah is for:
Women that lost their husbands
Divorcees
Divorcees that are pregnant (iddah ends when they give birth)

If there was no consumation, they can marry immediately.

After a girl has her period she becomes a woman (and takes on religious duties). So in this sense, prepubescent girls having iddah doesn't even make sense. How can thay have iddah when they haven't been divorced or lost their husbands when they can't even marry in the first place?
The quran and the tafsirs disagree with you.
 
Shut up bitch.

I claimed nothing motherfucker.

Quote me claiming one thing is bad and the other thing is right.
Even if I showed you, I fear it's too late...

"But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them."- John 2:11.

You do not see the malice you are operating under, for hatred has blinded you heart. The best thing to do is to be merciful, for his words do not matter.

I leave you with the following:

"Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid." - John 14:27

Be well, brother.
 
What equality?

Explain clown. Dont give ambiguous one liner statements.

Lets discuss equality. Share your one point agenda.
You brought up how revolutionary islam was for the time, and I said its backwards bs for today. One example of inequality i brought up was a womans testimony only being worth half of a mans testimony.

You arent actually reading my posts, are you?

Just getting emotional af
 
Even if I showed you, I fear it's too late...

"But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them."- John 2:11.

You do not see the malice you are operating under, for hatred has blinded you heart. The best thing to do is to be merciful, for his words do not matter.

I leave you with the following:

"Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid." - John 14:27

Be well, brother.
Stop spamming.
 
Accuse others of strawmanning and all you do is strawman yourself.

Sure you dont like what Islam preaches, its ideology, and those who practice is. What else would qualify as an Islamophobe?
How is it a strawman if i quite literally talk about different options that you could mean? I was asking for clarification, not strawmanning you.

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Religion and its followers are inseparable.

If the followers are not following something, then there must have been a reason within that religion, a certain condition, or something else.
(Not because of societal pressure, or whatever you want to imply).
You are no judge to criticise a religion or its followers.
Im not criticising the followers.

Your inability to make that distinction isnt my fault lmao.
 
How is it a strawman if i quite literally talk about different options that you could mean? I was asking for clarification, not strawmanning you.

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Im not criticising the followers.

Your inability to make that distinction isnt my fault lmao.
"If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all." - Romans 12:18

I believe it would be beneficial to cease this argument -- you can achieve it through not engaging.
 
Lord to one who needs it.
Stop being religious missionary.

You brought up how revolutionary islam was for the time, and I said its backwards bs for today. One example of inequality i brought up was a womans testimony only being worth half of a mans testimony.
Sure, what other religion has talked about this, or fixed a certain amount?

We live in a patriarchal world.
Believe it or not. This is the universal truth. Religion has nothing to do with it.
 
To begin, It is suggested, and I'll try and find the study for this later, that your levels of Oxytocin that is responsible for love, is dampened by overly-stimulation. This means having a portfolio of sexual encounters can damage your ability to form intimate connections with people.

On a moral level, I think pornography and OnlyFans objectifies both men and women. Those involved in producing it and those who consume it. Porn is predatory.
Wow .. a lot of problems here

First. there is no definitive and scientific studies about the usage of Porn and its effect on love. So your sentence:
This means having a portfolio of sexual encounters can damage your ability to form intimate connections with people.
Is based on a myth.

Now, that's said, there is indeed a problem of objectivization in porn, but this is not because of the support (porn) its because of the standards of the industry and the poor treatment of women in this industry.

Porn exist in fact in many various ways, there is for example feminist porn where women won't be objectified or treated as prize.

The real problem is therefore here, not porn. Its education, and the patriarchy. Yes that again. Its everywhere, even in porn.

Now, Onlyfan is different as onlyfan is done BY the content creator. Therefore its THEIR choice not the one of the industry so comparing the porn industry and onlyfans is fallacious at best.


Porn is predatory.
Why ? you are making a baseless statement out of nowhere here that doesnt relate to anything you talked about before.

Such as when in a loving pair of two people
Not necessarally, I had amazing sex with people with I had no feelings toward. And it was still amazing and respectfull.
I think you are confusing sex with love. Those are two very different things. People can have sex without ever being in love and people can love without never have sex.

This is dehumanising towards conservative women. It is also the whole "no-true Scotsman" narrative.
No. Dehumnazing women would means saying that "they are not true women". I'm not saying that. Those are true women. They are just not feminists ones. Simple. Not every women are feminist. In fact the majority of women on this earth are against feminist ideals.


Freely allowing access to your body is bad for human relationships.
"access" ? eww
On what basis ? No its not. When its consensual nothing is harmfull to the relationship. Furthermore when a women give you permission to you to touch her body, doesn't mean that you have a free ticket for the rest of your life. You don't own the body of the one you love because you are with them.

giving sex too soon creates hookup culture, which is damaging for the family unit and sexual health of all involved.
On what basis ? What is "hookup culture" ? Do you have studies to back your point of view or you are taking that out of nowhere ?


You're denouncing all that will disagree with you as morally wrong. This is the incorrect way to argue, especially for someone called Logiko
one day you will understand that their is something called the political compass and that generally, people who are on the same political compass have more or less the same point of view.

So yes, I can discard an argument simply by knowing the political compass of a personn. Why ? Because they are most likely going to use the same arguments as other i've debunked before. Wrong arguments.


No true scotsman and ideological puritanism.
Leftism is based on a particular set of value. Feminism is one of them. So if you are not feminist, you are not a leftist. Its not a fallacy, its just logic.

You can't just say I'm leftist and think we will agree with you. Leftism is not a religion or an identity its a set of political values, so your argument is a fallacy.


It is not patriarchy to accept that the sexes are different. EQUAL but different.
If you are talking about sexual attribute then yes, there are different sexual attribute, but men and women are just gender. Denying that is a symptom of patriarchy indeed.

This is simply playing victim politics. You're demonizing men. You're treating them like predators.
My boy. Men ARE predator. Not because we want to be, but because we are ALL raised in a society where men are raised like predators.
"Pedrator" is a large scale, it can mean being simply toxic and sexist to being a straight up raper.

Understanding patriarchy is understanding that we live in a society that forges us and that society forges mens to be oppressive toward women. WITHOUT EXCEPTIONS.

That's science mate. Learn about it.

I know many who have thought they were happy and then years later regretted their decisions
Not many


If people are happy, so be it, but to ignore there are clearly women and men slipping through the cracks is... ludicrous.
Yes, a minority


I go through lengths to not label
you can label me. For example you can say that I'm a woke, a hardcore feminist, a transally, a leftist, full of myself, overconfident. You have a lot of choice. I took what I saw:

You were transphobe
And
You are being sexist.

Even if you are in denial.

I therefore uses those labels, not to put you down, but to make you understand that those behaviors are not cool. Nothing is personnal for me here.
 
"If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all." - Romans 12:18

I believe it would be beneficial to cease this argument -- you can achieve it through not engaging.
I mean one of they guys said pages ago he is done with it but he keeps responding lol.

Arguing isnt exactly contrary to living peaceful with each other.
 
How is it a strawman if i quite literally talk about different options that you could mean? I was asking for clarification, not strawmanning you.

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Im not criticising the followers.

Your inability to make that distinction isnt my fault lmao.
That's what I said.

You are criticizing the religion. In your own words, you despise Islam. That makes you an Islamophobe.

Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Wow .. a lot of problems here

First. there is no definitive and scientific studies about the usage of Porn and its effect on love. So your sentence:

Is based on a myth.

Now, that's said, there is indeed a problem of objectivization in porn, but this is not because of the support (porn) its because of the standards of the industry and the poor treatment of women in this industry.

Porn exist in fact in many various ways, there is for example feminist porn where women won't be objectified or treated as prize.

The real problem is therefore here, not porn. Its education, and the patriarchy. Yes that again. Its everywhere, even in porn.

Now, Onlyfan is different as onlyfan is done BY the content creator. Therefore its THEIR choice not the one of the industry so comparing the porn industry and onlyfans is fallacious at best.



Why ? you are making a baseless statement out of nowhere here that doesnt relate to anything you talked about before.


Not necessarally, I had amazing sex with people with I had no feelings toward. And it was still amazing and respectfull.
I think you are confusing sex with love. Those are two very different things. People can have sex without ever being in love and people can love without never have sex.


No. Dehumnazing women would means saying that "they are not true women". I'm not saying that. Those are true women. They are just not feminists ones. Simple. Not every women are feminist. In fact the majority of women on this earth are against feminist ideals.


"access" ? eww
On what basis ? No its not. When its consensual nothing is harmfull to the relationship. Furthermore when a women give you permission to you to touch her body, doesn't mean that you have a free ticket for the rest of your life. You don't own the body of the one you love because you are with them.


On what basis ? What is "hookup culture" ? Do you have studies to back your point of view or you are taking that out of nowhere ?



one day you will understand that their is something called the political compass and that generally, people who are on the same political compass have more or less the same point of view.

So yes, I can discard an argument simply by knowing the political compass of a personn. Why ? Because they are most likely going to use the same arguments as other i've debunked before. Wrong arguments.



Leftism is based on a particular set of value. Feminism is one of them. So if you are not feminist, you are not a leftist. Its not a fallacy, its just logic.

You can't just say I'm leftist and think we will agree with you. Leftism is not a religion or an identity its a set of political values, so your argument is a fallacy.



If you are talking about sexual attribute then yes, there are different sexual attribute, but men and women are just gender. Denying that is a symptom of patriarchy indeed.


My boy. Men ARE predator. Not because we want to be, but because we are ALL raised in a society where men are raised like predators.
"Pedrator" is a large scale, it can mean being simply toxic and sexist to being a straight up raper.

Understanding patriarchy is understanding that we live in a society that forges us and that society forges mens to be oppressive toward women. WITHOUT EXCEPTIONS.

That's science mate. Learn about it.


Not many



Yes, a minority



you can label me. For example you can say that I'm a woke, a hardcore feminist, a transally, a leftist, full of myself, overconfident. You have a lot of choice. I took what I saw:

You were transphobe
And
You are being sexist.

Even if you are in denial.

I therefore uses those labels, not to put you down, but to make you understand that those behaviors are not cool. Nothing is personnal for me here.
"If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all." - Romans 12:18

I shall take my own advice.
 
Even if I showed you, I fear it's too late...

"But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them."- John 2:11.

You do not see the malice you are operating under, for hatred has blinded you heart. The best thing to do is to be merciful, for his words do not matter.

I leave you with the following:

"Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid." - John 14:27

Be well, brother.
Lol that point where people are talking about religion and someone just starts waving scripture at you. Jeez

Honestly I don't knock other religions for the same reason I don't hit people who don't subscribe over the head with the Qur'an: these conversations are a disservice. The concept of a faith is to give a detailed, if complicated, explanation of ethics to better the individual and those they encounter. Vague spirituality is also fine if opportunistic. Atheism is naive if it descends into the belief of humans as the ultimate beings and randomness as the ultimate order.

But I don't think these texts and tellings, as much as the point is to share them, are meant to be thrown at non believing strangers to be disrespected and dissected. I don't like people saying ugly things about my faith so I don't want to entertain those conversations, and part of that is usually denying the political foothold.
 
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