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@Monkey D Theories Theories read this https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Paul-the-Apostle
I don't think you are arguing in bad faith,i think you just lack information.
Half of the new testament was written by Paul.You lack insight about Christianity. Read the link i sent you.
Jesus never wrote scripture.The apostles did.
Every forum has that mom basement dweller troll.Get a life,Solis.You said it yourself that worstgen was ruining your life.
I don't think you are arguing in bad faith,i think you just lack information.
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Half of the new testament was written by Paul.You lack insight about Christianity. Read the link i sent you.
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Jesus never wrote scripture.The apostles did.
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Every forum has that one weirdo who responds with Bible quotes 
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I can provide some links but they would be in Portuguese. I will use Brasil since we are one of the largest catholic populations in the world (if not the largest). In Brazil the marriage of gay people are not in contention for a long time. People in here have the right to change names and identification and be recognized by their chosen gender as well as marrying with anyone of legal age (as long as it don't cross some lines). If you want to have a civil marriage with your chosen partner this is not a issue.
The issue we have now is with gay people demanding churchs to celebrate marriages. Since the last decade we have some projects to try and protect our religion views (this project was archived but our supreme court assured the right for civil marriage and, at the same time, protected our religious beliefs). This issue is not caused by some sort of lack of protection by our laws or people denying some rights but just by leftists desire to corrupt our religion and try to force churchs to celebrate those marriages. One of the last attempts was last year when they were attacked for not agreeing with that. So, no. It's not about denying some civil rights or anything like that. Is about trying to humiliate religious people and force them to do things that goes against their views.
The issue we have now is with gay people demanding churchs to celebrate marriages. Since the last decade we have some projects to try and protect our religion views (this project was archived but our supreme court assured the right for civil marriage and, at the same time, protected our religious beliefs). This issue is not caused by some sort of lack of protection by our laws or people denying some rights but just by leftists desire to corrupt our religion and try to force churchs to celebrate those marriages. One of the last attempts was last year when they were attacked for not agreeing with that. So, no. It's not about denying some civil rights or anything like that. Is about trying to humiliate religious people and force them to do things that goes against their views.
The Chinese have the largest catholic population i believe.
W post.I should have mentioned what is going on in Brazil,but i assume they just wouldn't give a fuck since they don't view us a part of the West.
Doubting the words of the apostles is a Heresy btw. They are our only source to the gospel of Jesus.
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W post.I should have mentioned what is going on in Brazil,but i assume they just wouldn't give a fuck since they don't view us a part of the West.
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Doubting the words of the apostles is a Heresy btw. They are our only source to the gospel of Jesus.
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I really don't know.
I think it's better to use Brazil because, in terms of actual laws, we have some of the most robust protection to LGBT people. They are protected and we have laws in place to punish discrimination.
The only reason why someone would try to force a church to celebrate the wedding when even the actual Pope said that homosexuality is a sin, but not a crime, sounds incredible like petty revenge to me.
I think it's better to use Brazil because, in terms of actual laws, we have some of the most robust protection to LGBT people. They are protected and we have laws in place to punish discrimination.
The only reason why someone would try to force a church to celebrate the wedding when even the actual Pope said that homosexuality is a sin, but not a crime, sounds incredible like petty revenge to me.
Is this about clergy wedding gays or just like with nameless link about the church being booked as a location for that?
Gay catholics, not gay priests
Because the link you provided didnt support your claims really. And your description of it kinda sucks as well
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Gay catholics, not gay priests
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Because the link you provided didnt support your claims really. And your description of it kinda sucks as well
dude,read again:
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...marriage-would-affect-religious-institutions/
"Virtually everyone agrees that the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution offers some protections for religious groups. For example, most (even among gay rights advocates) believe the Constitution protects clergy from being required to officiate at marriages for same-sex couples and churches from being forced to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry in their sanctuaries.
But what about a church basement or retreat center, which is rented out for opposite-sex weddings? And what about a religiously affiliated institution, like a university, that offers married heterosexual students housing but refuses such accommodation for married gay and lesbian students?
These questions have real-world implications, since virtually all American religious groups have affiliated nonprofits (such as schools, hospitals and charities). And many, including some evangelical Protestant denominations, the Catholic Church, the Mormon church and Orthodox Jewish groups, oppose gay marriage on religious grounds.
Some scholars believe that the ruling in favor of gay marriage will not lead to widespread acrimony and legal battles. They note, for example, that there is no federal law banning discrimination based on sexual orientation. And, of the 22 states that ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, a majority (13) have at least some protections for religious groups written into their anti-discrimination statutes.
“There’s a big difference between something that could be an issue and something that’s likely to be an issue,” says Robert Tuttle, who teaches religion and law at George Washington University. Tuttle says he believes there may be some lawsuits, but he predicts that in more cases than not, accommodation and compromise are likely to win out. “After all, we still allow institutions, like universities, to discriminate based on gender,” he says.
But University of Illinois law professor Robin Fretwell Wilson says it’s possible that institutions will be pressured to give ground on gay marriage by federal authorities (such as the Internal Revenue Service, which could take away an institution’s tax-exempt status), state civil rights commissions or private lawsuits. She notes, for example, that the federal government now reads its laws against sex discrimination “to include sexual orientation discrimination, which opens a whole layer of potential threat” to religious organization
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...marriage-would-affect-religious-institutions/
"Virtually everyone agrees that the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution offers some protections for religious groups. For example, most (even among gay rights advocates) believe the Constitution protects clergy from being required to officiate at marriages for same-sex couples and churches from being forced to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry in their sanctuaries.
But what about a church basement or retreat center, which is rented out for opposite-sex weddings? And what about a religiously affiliated institution, like a university, that offers married heterosexual students housing but refuses such accommodation for married gay and lesbian students?
These questions have real-world implications, since virtually all American religious groups have affiliated nonprofits (such as schools, hospitals and charities). And many, including some evangelical Protestant denominations, the Catholic Church, the Mormon church and Orthodox Jewish groups, oppose gay marriage on religious grounds.
Some scholars believe that the ruling in favor of gay marriage will not lead to widespread acrimony and legal battles. They note, for example, that there is no federal law banning discrimination based on sexual orientation. And, of the 22 states that ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, a majority (13) have at least some protections for religious groups written into their anti-discrimination statutes.
“There’s a big difference between something that could be an issue and something that’s likely to be an issue,” says Robert Tuttle, who teaches religion and law at George Washington University. Tuttle says he believes there may be some lawsuits, but he predicts that in more cases than not, accommodation and compromise are likely to win out. “After all, we still allow institutions, like universities, to discriminate based on gender,” he says.
But University of Illinois law professor Robin Fretwell Wilson says it’s possible that institutions will be pressured to give ground on gay marriage by federal authorities (such as the Internal Revenue Service, which could take away an institution’s tax-exempt status), state civil rights commissions or private lawsuits. She notes, for example, that the federal government now reads its laws against sex discrimination “to include sexual orientation discrimination, which opens a whole layer of potential threat” to religious organization
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Overall, there are some congregations (like some baptists churchs) in our country that accept to celebrate gay marriage. Some LGBT groups have specific issues with Catholic and evangelical churchs.
No. The specific link was about a evangelic priest that was asked by a lesbian couple to celebrate their wedding and denied service, based on his religious beliefs. The couple then started to use social media to try and cancel him, leading to a lot of internet debate about our supreme court decision to allow gay marriage. Looking at it now it seems that is over a paywall, this link may be slightly better.
BTW, just for context, evangelical groups in Brazil are seem as more conservative about the original beliefs. This make them one of the biggest targets when discussing religion, specially because they also have a LOT of political power.
No. The specific link was about a evangelic priest that was asked by a lesbian couple to celebrate their wedding and denied service, based on his religious beliefs. The couple then started to use social media to try and cancel him, leading to a lot of internet debate about our supreme court decision to allow gay marriage. Looking at it now it seems that is over a paywall, this link may be slightly better.
BTW, just for context, evangelical groups in Brazil are seem as more conservative about the original beliefs. This make them one of the biggest targets when discussing religion, specially because they also have a LOT of political power.