OJ was my first forum for One Piece. I was there for a long while and spent plenty of time there. I have to say I prefer the admins/mods here by a mile. I never feel like they act they are above everyone. I dont get the sense that its super strict here either. It feels like everyone tries to work with each other. I personally feel OJ was a lot more toxic. I didnt even want to discuss One Piece over there. Here its like people just have fun. They will joke a lot which I like. Im able to conversate about anything, even the power scaling. I appreciate the staff here for being chill. Its not easy at all. The one piece community as a whole is very toxic at times.
Improving Discussions, less toxicity
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What Zoro fans do in Zoro FC should not bother anyone. You are not forced to be in Zoro FC and frankly that thread was built for only those who are interested in worshipping Zoro (it is a Temple). For example, ImmaIvanoM is a Zoro fan who is not a part of Zoro FC and nobody has forced him to join. Thus "tolerance" is absolutely not an issue. What they do there can't be placed as an issue.
Your second point was that normal Zoro fans don't get a voice. That's outright wrong. Again, ImmaIvanoM talks however he likes in all threads and nobody is hindering his discussion. You need to have proper discussion to have voice.
If you want your view of Zoro to be the prevalent one, well, your voice should be higher. When 40+ people have same voice, they will get greater soundbite. Do they represent Zoro fans? As per democracy, they do. Which is perfectly fine.
Yes. I understand that sentiment. But what you are implying with this thread is to remove "these uncultured barbarians" so that others can have normal discussion. That is simply not how it works. There is absolutely no One Piece forum active right now where it works. Only Arlong Park maintains a normal discussion format, and it is dying.
I have 32 people here on Ignore list. But these people definitely help to maintain the forum with their nonsense.
I will be as blunt as possible to everybody. This place was made of outcasts, by outcasts and for outcasts. Getting rid of those outcasts will kill this place. So-called Normal people don't keep a forum alive.
And no matter what Pantheos or anybody else says, this is the only truth.
What can be done is:
Create a "Curated Discussion" sub-forum. The normal trolls can be infinitely banned from that sub-forum. This sub-forum can be highlighted as the main sub-forum for WG. I am sure that this sub-forum will be dead, but it will provide safe space for many who can't tolerate the banter.
Your second point was that normal Zoro fans don't get a voice. That's outright wrong. Again, ImmaIvanoM talks however he likes in all threads and nobody is hindering his discussion. You need to have proper discussion to have voice.
If you want your view of Zoro to be the prevalent one, well, your voice should be higher. When 40+ people have same voice, they will get greater soundbite. Do they represent Zoro fans? As per democracy, they do. Which is perfectly fine.
Yes. I understand that sentiment. But what you are implying with this thread is to remove "these uncultured barbarians" so that others can have normal discussion. That is simply not how it works. There is absolutely no One Piece forum active right now where it works. Only Arlong Park maintains a normal discussion format, and it is dying.
I have 32 people here on Ignore list. But these people definitely help to maintain the forum with their nonsense.
I will be as blunt as possible to everybody. This place was made of outcasts, by outcasts and for outcasts. Getting rid of those outcasts will kill this place. So-called Normal people don't keep a forum alive.
And no matter what Pantheos or anybody else says, this is the only truth.
What can be done is:
Create a "Curated Discussion" sub-forum. The normal trolls can be infinitely banned from that sub-forum. This sub-forum can be highlighted as the main sub-forum for WG. I am sure that this sub-forum will be dead, but it will provide safe space for many who can't tolerate the banter.
This 100% People dont realize how much it means for everyone to speak up when someone is acting ridiculous. I dont mean ridiculous as in fanboy/girling either. Just certain people that can be so overly toxic and disrespectful. Those are the people that need to be called out on from everybody, not just staff. Its like with the whole social justice/racism thing going on irl. If people want change, we got to do it together as a whole. Same applies to toxicity and bullying.
Well... Known users are not bashed. When someone new appears and states their opinion, they're usually jumped on.
Also, making "controversial" posts shouldn't be a problem.
This I completely agree with. It's inevitable, and at the end of the day forums are for talking. Being too strict is not a good path, freedom of speech has to be a thing (as long as it's not insults).
Also, making "controversial" posts shouldn't be a problem.
This I completely agree with. It's inevitable, and at the end of the day forums are for talking. Being too strict is not a good path, freedom of speech has to be a thing (as long as it's not insults).
The Zoro fandom are the majority. Full stop.
Since they make up the majority of active users on this forum in general then it is only logical that there will be more “toxic” Zoro fans when compared to any other fan base.
For a hypothetical scenario, if say 20% of the Luffy fandom on this forum is toxic but the Luffy fandom only contributes to about 10% of the active user base in comparison to 10% of the Zoro fandom being toxic but with the Zoro fandom contributing 40% of the active user base then yes, pro-Zoro “toxicity” is going to appear more apparent.
20% of 10% is always going to look smaller compared to 10% of 40%. The Luffy fandom in this hypothetical scenario would technically be the more toxic fan base but it would never appear that way since the Luffy fandom has so little presence.
Since they make up the majority of active users on this forum in general then it is only logical that there will be more “toxic” Zoro fans when compared to any other fan base.
For a hypothetical scenario, if say 20% of the Luffy fandom on this forum is toxic but the Luffy fandom only contributes to about 10% of the active user base in comparison to 10% of the Zoro fandom being toxic but with the Zoro fandom contributing 40% of the active user base then yes, pro-Zoro “toxicity” is going to appear more apparent.
20% of 10% is always going to look smaller compared to 10% of 40%. The Luffy fandom in this hypothetical scenario would technically be the more toxic fan base but it would never appear that way since the Luffy fandom has so little presence.
Ok, who makes the most ridiculous claims that drives off the rest of the community? As far as I can remember Zoro fan Boys are in the top with their (Zoro will kill Kaido BS) even in WCI Sanji fanboys didn't make those ridiculous claims and again, I've seen toxic people in all sides and I'm active in Twitter and other OP forums alongside WG and the same thing is everywhere but, Zoro fanboys are the same everywhere.
Since when does having a supposedly ridiculous claim make one automatically toxic? That has nothing to do with toxicity. They have the right to that opinion no matter how ridiculous you perceive it to be.
If someone is driven off of a discussion forum because other users have an opinion that they dislike then that individual should not have been on a discussion forum in the first place.
Considering that this thread is in regards to this forum only then that makes discussion regarding any other forum irrelevant, no?
The problem is, different users perceive concepts such as “toxicity” and “civility” differently.
What some users regard as insulting others will only regard as banter. It is up to individual users to figure out who is thick skinned and who is not.
If someone is driven off of a discussion forum because other users have an opinion that they dislike then that individual should not have been on a discussion forum in the first place.
Considering that this thread is in regards to this forum only then that makes discussion regarding any other forum irrelevant, no?
The problem is, different users perceive concepts such as “toxicity” and “civility” differently.
What some users regard as insulting others will only regard as banter. It is up to individual users to figure out who is thick skinned and who is not.
Great job @Sievas, I empathize with your sentiments and agree with the spirit of your post. However, I believe the basis for your soliloquy is faulty, the bolded parts to be exact.
A majority of participants in online hardcore fandoms don’t do it to enjoy their “favorite” series communally. As a 15 year veteran of online hardcore fandoms, I saw it happen in every one of them. Anyone that actively participates in hardcore fandoms has been, at a point in their life, a dedicated fan of said series. A Fan in the purest sense. One that enthusiastically follows said series and tries to digest it for what it does positively and negatively.
As time flows, familiarity and deeper grasp over the series' lore and beats are gained, and fatigue and boredom set in for a group of those fans. Yet, it's always been a passionate pastime of theirs. So, we arrive at the dichotomy of the hardcore forum fandom. That group of fans, having lost their investment in the actual series, direct that investment to fandom itself. The series, initially the object of their investment, becomes but a background for their actual current devotion. Fandom.
By my incomplete induction, I’ll classify our forum fandom, by reason they continue to actively participate.
Will of A members) They've had legitimate long term gripes with the creative/artistic direction of the series and are completely devoid of any emotional attachment to any aspect of it anymore. Nevertheless, they take pleasure in educating the "fanboys" about how oblivious they are to the series' decline in merit. Objectively bad characterization, Incosistent writing, stakes, etc... are terms they usually use (thank you TV Tropes, Cinema Sins, etc...). They don't dabble in memes, shitposting, etc.. They have a superior online philosopher persona to protect
Will of B members ) Likewise, they've no emotional attachment to the actual series anymore. Nonetheless, they continue to be attached to the high of the shared communal experience of spoiler/new chapter anticipation. Like Roger Ebert once said, "Anyone who would camp out in a tent on the sidewalk, for weeks in order to be first in line for a movie is more into camping on the sidewalk than movies"
Will of C members) They've no emotional attachment to the actual series, but they've directed their devotion to a specific character/power level fandom. They're not reading the series for the series, they're using the series as a gambling simulator. They're fans of fandom wars. Pick a winning horse (character/power level tier) and anticipate every week to see if you have the winning pick. Story, context, character situation, ability interactions, drama, etc... be damned. It's all about "W"s, "L"s, "portrayal", "hype/dehype", etc... They tend to manipulate any thread/conversation back to their character's power level conflict. One panel of one character getting hit, is gold for the hater, and hell for the stan! Limited participation beyond viciously defending their character's power level and baiting/downplaying other character fandoms
Will of D members) They've been invested in the story's lore, characters, drama, action, comedy, art, etc... for a significant portion of their lives, and are participating to express that passion. They have their ups and downs with the story, but overall the investment in fandom is secondary to the investment in the actual series. Participation extends to all topics of discussion, from story, to plot holes, to character interactions, to fan art, to shipping, to comedy, to memes, etc... as reasonably as possible without being absorbed into the discussion parameters set by Groups A-C
Will of E members) They're still invested and would like to discuss the actual story, however, they get absorbed into the parameters of discussion set by Groups A-C. They can't go back to digesting the series as they have in the past. Now, they can only read the series through eyes tinted with "this is an L", "this is bad portrayal", "this is bad writing", "If this happens to this character I like they'll slander him", "Big Meme haha", etc... The poor souls joined to discuss the actual story, only to discover hardcore fandoms have moved on from series discourse to discussing themselves
Will of F - as in Fanboys) "This series is the greatest thing since we discovered fire" ultimate fanboys. But I don't see much weight for it in our forum. That's mostly Reddit!!!!
Ok after this long-winded breakdown, let me make my actual point. I think you’re speaking for the poor souls in Group E lol Some fans just can't cope with the annoyance of not being able to discuss the series you still care about independently of hardcore fandom chaos. It totally sucks that great fans like you don’t get enjoyment of being here to the extent that you imagined before you joined.
Personally (I’m from the Will of D group btw
), I'm the least bothered individual by literally anything online or in person 
So I still rock with my favorites in a way that's authentic to me and find most of the lAnJi/LiG mEmE shenanigans and memes amusing and entertaining as hell. I know exactly what I come to this forum for, I know hardcore fandom cancer and I enjoy consuming it! Feed me more cancer please! But I completely understand that other fans can't separate their reason for following the series and the reason they frequent hardcore forums.
As @MD Zolo said, that’s what happens in every forum fandom. If I wanted to seriously discuss One Piece I’d probably not join any online forum as I view the series with different lenses than forum fandom majority. Attempting to reach agreement based on differing subjective premises will always lead to unproductive conversations. Add to that my current workload (I’m literally losing money writing this
but I thought your post deserved a legitimate response) doesn’t allow me to share what I actually want to say about the series. So most of my posts now are low effort Gifs and Memes simply to blow off some steam and have some laughs (sorry lads lol). I personally find most fans in all the above groups to be fun/hilarious to talk to. I’ll probably never agree with most of them about many aspects of One Piece, but I can still participate in entertaining chaos nonetheless. I'll legit discuss anything with anybody lol (except when @Monkey D. Luffy @Red Dog @Fujishiro bring up Bao Huang 
)
I think you’re onto something with group private conversations with other like minded fans. If that helps you enjoy the communal experience by evading the environment of chaos and sourness that dominates main threads, that’s a great idea.
I won’t be able to post much over the next 10 hours, but I’ll be happy to discuss more later if you wanna just vent.
A majority of participants in online hardcore fandoms don’t do it to enjoy their “favorite” series communally. As a 15 year veteran of online hardcore fandoms, I saw it happen in every one of them. Anyone that actively participates in hardcore fandoms has been, at a point in their life, a dedicated fan of said series. A Fan in the purest sense. One that enthusiastically follows said series and tries to digest it for what it does positively and negatively.
As time flows, familiarity and deeper grasp over the series' lore and beats are gained, and fatigue and boredom set in for a group of those fans. Yet, it's always been a passionate pastime of theirs. So, we arrive at the dichotomy of the hardcore forum fandom. That group of fans, having lost their investment in the actual series, direct that investment to fandom itself. The series, initially the object of their investment, becomes but a background for their actual current devotion. Fandom.
By my incomplete induction, I’ll classify our forum fandom, by reason they continue to actively participate.
Will of A members) They've had legitimate long term gripes with the creative/artistic direction of the series and are completely devoid of any emotional attachment to any aspect of it anymore. Nevertheless, they take pleasure in educating the "fanboys" about how oblivious they are to the series' decline in merit. Objectively bad characterization, Incosistent writing, stakes, etc... are terms they usually use (thank you TV Tropes, Cinema Sins, etc...). They don't dabble in memes, shitposting, etc.. They have a superior online philosopher persona to protect
Will of B members ) Likewise, they've no emotional attachment to the actual series anymore. Nonetheless, they continue to be attached to the high of the shared communal experience of spoiler/new chapter anticipation. Like Roger Ebert once said, "Anyone who would camp out in a tent on the sidewalk, for weeks in order to be first in line for a movie is more into camping on the sidewalk than movies"
Will of C members) They've no emotional attachment to the actual series, but they've directed their devotion to a specific character/power level fandom. They're not reading the series for the series, they're using the series as a gambling simulator. They're fans of fandom wars. Pick a winning horse (character/power level tier) and anticipate every week to see if you have the winning pick. Story, context, character situation, ability interactions, drama, etc... be damned. It's all about "W"s, "L"s, "portrayal", "hype/dehype", etc... They tend to manipulate any thread/conversation back to their character's power level conflict. One panel of one character getting hit, is gold for the hater, and hell for the stan! Limited participation beyond viciously defending their character's power level and baiting/downplaying other character fandoms
Will of D members) They've been invested in the story's lore, characters, drama, action, comedy, art, etc... for a significant portion of their lives, and are participating to express that passion. They have their ups and downs with the story, but overall the investment in fandom is secondary to the investment in the actual series. Participation extends to all topics of discussion, from story, to plot holes, to character interactions, to fan art, to shipping, to comedy, to memes, etc... as reasonably as possible without being absorbed into the discussion parameters set by Groups A-C
Will of E members) They're still invested and would like to discuss the actual story, however, they get absorbed into the parameters of discussion set by Groups A-C. They can't go back to digesting the series as they have in the past. Now, they can only read the series through eyes tinted with "this is an L", "this is bad portrayal", "this is bad writing", "If this happens to this character I like they'll slander him", "Big Meme haha", etc... The poor souls joined to discuss the actual story, only to discover hardcore fandoms have moved on from series discourse to discussing themselves
Will of F - as in Fanboys) "This series is the greatest thing since we discovered fire" ultimate fanboys. But I don't see much weight for it in our forum. That's mostly Reddit!!!!
Ok after this long-winded breakdown, let me make my actual point. I think you’re speaking for the poor souls in Group E lol Some fans just can't cope with the annoyance of not being able to discuss the series you still care about independently of hardcore fandom chaos. It totally sucks that great fans like you don’t get enjoyment of being here to the extent that you imagined before you joined.
Personally (I’m from the Will of D group btw
), I'm the least bothered individual by literally anything online or in person So I still rock with my favorites in a way that's authentic to me and find most of the lAnJi/LiG mEmE shenanigans and memes amusing and entertaining as hell. I know exactly what I come to this forum for, I know hardcore fandom cancer and I enjoy consuming it! Feed me more cancer please! But I completely understand that other fans can't separate their reason for following the series and the reason they frequent hardcore forums.As @MD Zolo said, that’s what happens in every forum fandom. If I wanted to seriously discuss One Piece I’d probably not join any online forum as I view the series with different lenses than forum fandom majority. Attempting to reach agreement based on differing subjective premises will always lead to unproductive conversations. Add to that my current workload (I’m literally losing money writing this
but I thought your post deserved a legitimate response) doesn’t allow me to share what I actually want to say about the series. So most of my posts now are low effort Gifs and Memes simply to blow off some steam and have some laughs (sorry lads lol). I personally find most fans in all the above groups to be fun/hilarious to talk to. I’ll probably never agree with most of them about many aspects of One Piece, but I can still participate in entertaining chaos nonetheless. I'll legit discuss anything with anybody lol (except when @Monkey D. Luffy @Red Dog @Fujishiro bring up Bao Huang )I think you’re onto something with group private conversations with other like minded fans. If that helps you enjoy the communal experience by evading the environment of chaos and sourness that dominates main threads, that’s a great idea.
I won’t be able to post much over the next 10 hours, but I’ll be happy to discuss more later if you wanna just vent.
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