General & Others Sanji is a contradiction.

Warchief Sanji D Goat

Queen Gunko!➡️⬆️⬇️⬅️
#42
Essay and research time:finally::finally:

Never hit a woman. Treat women with respect. Protect women in need. These are all common things taught to men from a young age and at first glance they seem to be a straightforward and respectful guide to the interaction between genders. However, ask any girl who was refused a place on a school wrestling team or football team because the boys refused to engage her as the sport demanded and you’ll see where the flaws lie. Of course a boy shouldn’t hit a girl for no reason, but if he refuses to tackle her on a football team then he is extinguishing her opportunity to be treated as an equal and live out her dreams. But when it comes to Sanji's contradiction about his chivalry then everybody just be hating on him for no reason LOL.

This "Contradiction" that everybody complains about keep going on and so forth so here we go. In One Piece the character of Sanji is defined by his desire to treat women chivalrously. He doesn’t seem to think of women as less capable than men, often praising and relying on his female crewmates’ abilities, but he is determined to treat women in a way that he deems appropriate. This means that he protects them when possible and absolutely refuses to harm a woman for any reason. In chapter 403 of the manga, pointedly titled “Mr. Chivalry,” that determination nearly got him killed and could have led to the deaths of both Nami and Robin, his two female crewmates that he had vowed to protect.

The entire crew was racing against the clock to save Robin from imprisonment and potential execution when Sanji came face to face with Kalifa. Kalifa is a highly capable assassin who Sanji engaged in a fight. Unfortunately for him, he couldn’t bring himself to do more than block her strikes and kept pulling his own before they connected. He was trying to show her that he could beat her if he did connect, hoping that she would back down, but when it comes to real life or death fights that isn’t good enough. She made quick work of him, totally beating him and removing him from action for quite a while.

After his complete beating, he was found by Nami. When she realized why he lost, she was frustrated and pointed out that if he couldn’t fight a woman, but his honor wouldn’t let him run away from a fight either, then he was in trouble. His inability to do his part meant that she had to step forward to fight an opponent who was much stronger than her in order to get the key they were searching for and also to protect Sanji. For quite a while the anime cut to shots of Sanji sitting alone, with his head hanging as Nami fought in his place which really drove home the position he had gotten himself into.

His situation was a real catch-22 because there was a very real possibility that Nami, would die because he couldn’t protect her against another woman. That put him between a rock and a hard place as far as his ideals. By the end of the arc, Sanji seemed to have come to a decision. He is still categorically opposed to striking a woman–even if it kills him–but in the future he purposely avoids fights with women. He is still proud of his chivalrous nature but acknowledges its flaws as well. He takes Nami’s words to heart and is willing to leave female antagonists to his other crewmates such as Zoro.

Zoro provides an interesting contrast to Sanji in that he does not seem to treat people differently based on their gender. He finds Sanji’s chivalrous behavior (doting on the women, getting them extra treats, etc.) annoying which may stem from his own history with women. Rivalries are an important aspect of many shounen (aimed at pre-teen and teenage boys) manga series and usually involve two boys competing against each other or two girls doing the same, but in Zoro’s case his rival was a girl. As a child he wanted to be a great swordsman, but kept losing fight after fight to Kuina, his sensei’s daughter. Eventually, after beating him 2001 times, she expressed frustration that no matter how good she was the world was stacked against female swordsmen and someday he would surpass her because he was male.

Zoro grew angry at her for saying that he would beat her just because of her sex and told her that she was his goal. He wanted to be as good as her and if she denigrated her own abilities because of her gender then she denigrated his goals as well. He then made her promise that someday one of them would be the best swordsman in the world. Shortly after the promise, she died and he took up her sword to carry on her dream alongside his own. I don’t know if I can stress how impressed I was that a male hero in a shounen series holds a female character up as the person he wants to be most like.

When it come to chivalry I found that portrayal of the downside of chivalry to be a refreshing change of pace in a series aimed at teenage boys. Of course men shouldn’t hit women or disrespect women, but they shouldn’t hit or disrespect each other either. Chivalry while not necessarily a bad thing, can often repress women with kindness instead of acknowledging them as equals. Both Sanji and Zoro are good men that mean well, but their contrasting approach to women provides food for thought for manga and anime fans.

And not just Chivalry that influence his character and how he became and grow from it. It is also apply to his kindness too. For Sanji's character he fits in this concept perfectly and he goes out of his way to give food to starving people since he is generous. Take Gin for example:

Or even people like Don Krieg who Sanji knew wasn't being honest or a good guy and was going to attack.

And Sanji? Yes he knew. Or at least he had a sense that this would happen. He’s smirking to show that he wasn’t fooled at all, and to present himself as a badass who doesn’t give a crap. But look at his whole expression. Even if you just cover up his mouth, his eye is tense and worried. He’s sweating. They’re in deep stuff and he knows it and he knows it’s because of him that they’re in deep stuff.

Sanji was also aware that people have things that they can't do and comforted Ussop for his weakness and defended him besides the fact that he went out of this ways to defend Tashigi and the marines under her. And beside, him saving Usopp from Enel and not just Nami when he pretended to only care only about woman he also cared about the weak guys who can't fight or defend himself.

When Sanji telling Usopp that being alive is more important than anything else and considering he’s probably the first person who would throw his life away if it meant saving somebody else life. Sanji is the first person willing to give up his own life for another person and is a protector of that person and has went out of his way to help people who couldn't help themselves etc (like Ussop, Tashigi and her subordinates in Punk Hazard)

Now, let's think about this. If he does truly only cared about Tashigi, he could have grabbed her and get the heck out of there. But instead he puts himself up against a Marine Vice-Admiral in order to save all of the Marines.

And again, he’s running in the opposite direction because he wants to save as many of the Marines as possible. That's one example of chivalry and kindness right there.

Look at this scene real quick, here we can see that Kinemon is desperate about saving Momonosuke and Sanji is clearly worry about him being here with no body parts that could help him move. Also Sanji would feel guilty if he just leave Kinemon dying in there. That's another good example of kindness that Sanji have shown so far.

He is also the only one that even willing to consider taking Kinemon’s head along with them, and is concerned for his safety. It doesn’t matter that Kinemon is a man, because he needs help. Also according to @Chrono he said that Sanji is the main trigger that opens up all the arcs that we have so far. For example, Kinemon leads the Strawhats to Dressrosa and Trafalgar Law decided to go with them to Dressrosa also. And then we have Zou which introduce us to new information like the Road Poneglyph, Momo's real identity as a member of the Kouzuki family. Then here we have Wano. So basically Sanji is not type of guy that making attention to himself but he is the main trigger of all this major events even though he doesn't know about it.

Even Chopper, who is a doctor, is willing to leave a severed head behind but Sanji’s not able to do it and he immediately believes Kinemon when he says he’s not murdering people. One of my old theory said that Sanji can tell if people are being honest or not is because of his Observation Haki, and this is one of the examples because really, he has no reason to believe Kinemon otherwise and nobody else does. But because of his chivalry and kindness Sanji is willing to bring Kinemon with him.

Alright, let's talk about Sanji's generosity.
As I stated before, Sanji is giving food to other people even though they're a threatening enemy but because of what Sanji went through as a kid, and he just couldn't stand when someone is really hungry. For example, Gin and Big Mom.

As we all know Sanji is a guy who is all about his ideals shown by how he was willing to feed Don Krieg and his crew despite the fact that he knows that it would lead to trouble. And he even admits here that he knows that these particular pirates probably shouldn’t be saved, but his own values and experiences mean he cares more about feeding them than worrying about the eventual consequences.

And somehow chivalry was considered to be outdated and dumb while people think that way of Sanji's refusal to hit a woman or how Sanji was willing to feed Krieg and his crew despite the fact that Krieg was going to attack him. This is part of Sanji's character. Oda created him, not you or me or anybody else so you have to stick with it. Every characters have many flaws, no one is perfect. And that's why we like and enjoy the character so much. Sanji is a incredibly kind person. He puts everyone before himself to the point of him thinking he’s not as much worth saving as the rest of the crew, which is proof of his sacrificing character. Or even risking himself to help the marines, which is the people that he have no obligation to save. He also knows his flaws and is very in tune with himself and other people. He also shows more empathy than perhaps any other Strawhats and that is a great trait if you ask me. There is more traits to him like pride, compassion and so on.

I know this is a long essay and I did a lot of research on this and I don't expect anyone to read the whole thing but make sure to state your opinion about this.
 
#44
What I see here is a lack of understanding for the simplest concept, in those for or against. The "white knight" ideology objectifies women in believing they are different: weaker physically, easier to manipulate, etc. Things that make them worth protecting because they are lesser in ways outside of what makes them desirable to us. The lust for them as women instead of the respect for them as people is what gets them put on the pedestal, as Sanji does. He's not a contradiction but a fine critique. Oda does have sexist moments, albeit through a lens foreign to many of us, but Sanji is a lampshade.
I agree with this, mate. Spot on analysis. Although I don't know if Oda planned this as a critique, it is a way to see it. I just wish it stopped already. Time to evolve, Sanji
 
#45
Essay and research time:finally::finally:

Never hit a woman. Treat women with respect. Protect women in need. These are all common things taught to men from a young age and at first glance they seem to be a straightforward and respectful guide to the interaction between genders. However, ask any girl who was refused a place on a school wrestling team or football team because the boys refused to engage her as the sport demanded and you’ll see where the flaws lie. Of course a boy shouldn’t hit a girl for no reason, but if he refuses to tackle her on a football team then he is extinguishing her opportunity to be treated as an equal and live out her dreams. But when it comes to Sanji's contradiction about his chivalry then everybody just be hating on him for no reason LOL.

This "Contradiction" that everybody complains about keep going on and so forth so here we go. In One Piece the character of Sanji is defined by his desire to treat women chivalrously. He doesn’t seem to think of women as less capable than men, often praising and relying on his female crewmates’ abilities, but he is determined to treat women in a way that he deems appropriate. This means that he protects them when possible and absolutely refuses to harm a woman for any reason. In chapter 403 of the manga, pointedly titled “Mr. Chivalry,” that determination nearly got him killed and could have led to the deaths of both Nami and Robin, his two female crewmates that he had vowed to protect.

The entire crew was racing against the clock to save Robin from imprisonment and potential execution when Sanji came face to face with Kalifa. Kalifa is a highly capable assassin who Sanji engaged in a fight. Unfortunately for him, he couldn’t bring himself to do more than block her strikes and kept pulling his own before they connected. He was trying to show her that he could beat her if he did connect, hoping that she would back down, but when it comes to real life or death fights that isn’t good enough. She made quick work of him, totally beating him and removing him from action for quite a while.

After his complete beating, he was found by Nami. When she realized why he lost, she was frustrated and pointed out that if he couldn’t fight a woman, but his honor wouldn’t let him run away from a fight either, then he was in trouble. His inability to do his part meant that she had to step forward to fight an opponent who was much stronger than her in order to get the key they were searching for and also to protect Sanji. For quite a while the anime cut to shots of Sanji sitting alone, with his head hanging as Nami fought in his place which really drove home the position he had gotten himself into.

His situation was a real catch-22 because there was a very real possibility that Nami, would die because he couldn’t protect her against another woman. That put him between a rock and a hard place as far as his ideals. By the end of the arc, Sanji seemed to have come to a decision. He is still categorically opposed to striking a woman–even if it kills him–but in the future he purposely avoids fights with women. He is still proud of his chivalrous nature but acknowledges its flaws as well. He takes Nami’s words to heart and is willing to leave female antagonists to his other crewmates such as Zoro.

Zoro provides an interesting contrast to Sanji in that he does not seem to treat people differently based on their gender. He finds Sanji’s chivalrous behavior (doting on the women, getting them extra treats, etc.) annoying which may stem from his own history with women. Rivalries are an important aspect of many shounen (aimed at pre-teen and teenage boys) manga series and usually involve two boys competing against each other or two girls doing the same, but in Zoro’s case his rival was a girl. As a child he wanted to be a great swordsman, but kept losing fight after fight to Kuina, his sensei’s daughter. Eventually, after beating him 2001 times, she expressed frustration that no matter how good she was the world was stacked against female swordsmen and someday he would surpass her because he was male.

Zoro grew angry at her for saying that he would beat her just because of her sex and told her that she was his goal. He wanted to be as good as her and if she denigrated her own abilities because of her gender then she denigrated his goals as well. He then made her promise that someday one of them would be the best swordsman in the world. Shortly after the promise, she died and he took up her sword to carry on her dream alongside his own. I don’t know if I can stress how impressed I was that a male hero in a shounen series holds a female character up as the person he wants to be most like.

When it come to chivalry I found that portrayal of the downside of chivalry to be a refreshing change of pace in a series aimed at teenage boys. Of course men shouldn’t hit women or disrespect women, but they shouldn’t hit or disrespect each other either. Chivalry while not necessarily a bad thing, can often repress women with kindness instead of acknowledging them as equals. Both Sanji and Zoro are good men that mean well, but their contrasting approach to women provides food for thought for manga and anime fans.

And not just Chivalry that influence his character and how he became and grow from it. It is also apply to his kindness too. For Sanji's character he fits in this concept perfectly and he goes out of his way to give food to starving people since he is generous. Take Gin for example:

Or even people like Don Krieg who Sanji knew wasn't being honest or a good guy and was going to attack.

And Sanji? Yes he knew. Or at least he had a sense that this would happen. He’s smirking to show that he wasn’t fooled at all, and to present himself as a badass who doesn’t give a crap. But look at his whole expression. Even if you just cover up his mouth, his eye is tense and worried. He’s sweating. They’re in deep stuff and he knows it and he knows it’s because of him that they’re in deep stuff.

Sanji was also aware that people have things that they can't do and comforted Ussop for his weakness and defended him besides the fact that he went out of this ways to defend Tashigi and the marines under her. And beside, him saving Usopp from Enel and not just Nami when he pretended to only care only about woman he also cared about the weak guys who can't fight or defend himself.

When Sanji telling Usopp that being alive is more important than anything else and considering he’s probably the first person who would throw his life away if it meant saving somebody else life. Sanji is the first person willing to give up his own life for another person and is a protector of that person and has went out of his way to help people who couldn't help themselves etc (like Ussop, Tashigi and her subordinates in Punk Hazard)

Now, let's think about this. If he does truly only cared about Tashigi, he could have grabbed her and get the heck out of there. But instead he puts himself up against a Marine Vice-Admiral in order to save all of the Marines.

And again, he’s running in the opposite direction because he wants to save as many of the Marines as possible. That's one example of chivalry and kindness right there.

Look at this scene real quick, here we can see that Kinemon is desperate about saving Momonosuke and Sanji is clearly worry about him being here with no body parts that could help him move. Also Sanji would feel guilty if he just leave Kinemon dying in there. That's another good example of kindness that Sanji have shown so far.

He is also the only one that even willing to consider taking Kinemon’s head along with them, and is concerned for his safety. It doesn’t matter that Kinemon is a man, because he needs help. Also according to @Chrono he said that Sanji is the main trigger that opens up all the arcs that we have so far. For example, Kinemon leads the Strawhats to Dressrosa and Trafalgar Law decided to go with them to Dressrosa also. And then we have Zou which introduce us to new information like the Road Poneglyph, Momo's real identity as a member of the Kouzuki family. Then here we have Wano. So basically Sanji is not type of guy that making attention to himself but he is the main trigger of all this major events even though he doesn't know about it.

Even Chopper, who is a doctor, is willing to leave a severed head behind but Sanji’s not able to do it and he immediately believes Kinemon when he says he’s not murdering people. One of my old theory said that Sanji can tell if people are being honest or not is because of his Observation Haki, and this is one of the examples because really, he has no reason to believe Kinemon otherwise and nobody else does. But because of his chivalry and kindness Sanji is willing to bring Kinemon with him.

Alright, let's talk about Sanji's generosity.
As I stated before, Sanji is giving food to other people even though they're a threatening enemy but because of what Sanji went through as a kid, and he just couldn't stand when someone is really hungry. For example, Gin and Big Mom.

As we all know Sanji is a guy who is all about his ideals shown by how he was willing to feed Don Krieg and his crew despite the fact that he knows that it would lead to trouble. And he even admits here that he knows that these particular pirates probably shouldn’t be saved, but his own values and experiences mean he cares more about feeding them than worrying about the eventual consequences.

And somehow chivalry was considered to be outdated and dumb while people think that way of Sanji's refusal to hit a woman or how Sanji was willing to feed Krieg and his crew despite the fact that Krieg was going to attack him. This is part of Sanji's character. Oda created him, not you or me or anybody else so you have to stick with it. Every characters have many flaws, no one is perfect. And that's why we like and enjoy the character so much. Sanji is a incredibly kind person. He puts everyone before himself to the point of him thinking he’s not as much worth saving as the rest of the crew, which is proof of his sacrificing character. Or even risking himself to help the marines, which is the people that he have no obligation to save. He also knows his flaws and is very in tune with himself and other people. He also shows more empathy than perhaps any other Strawhats and that is a great trait if you ask me. There is more traits to him like pride, compassion and so on.

I know this is a long essay and I did a lot of research on this and I don't expect anyone to read the whole thing but make sure to state your opinion about this.
People really think Sanji is shitty because he gives extra special treatment to women. Sure...perhaps when he is serving food or what not. Perhaps he even makes it more vocal when a damsel is in distress. However he is shown time and time again, he cares about the males just as much as well. Good example was in Skypeia. He said that he wouldnt mind if Usopp died for Nami's protection. However when the time came, instead of rescuing Nami and running off. He sacrificed himself so both Usopp and Nami could get out safely. Using himself as distraction so Enel doesnt go after them, he took El Thor.

Sanji is generally a person that puts others first. It doesnt matter gender, if you are his friend and in need of saving. He will rescue you.
 
#47
he puts women on a pedestal.

However, there's a "gag" his character partakes in, where he is constantly perverted and degrading towards women. This perversion directly conflicts and clashes with his main ideology. His character makes no sense.
This is not so contradictory. It is old-fashioned character trait. In a lot of old-fashioned romanticisms or "adoration" one can now also find that it is in some way degrading of the women (after all, from a more patriarchal culture). His "perversion" and adoration are linked, however he also "adores" them persons or "beings". I guess you are okay with the gag on the end but not on the other, however if it is so extreme, they are both to be expected. Actually, I'm surprised that this confuses you. Just sometimes or when the situation is "serious" he pulls himself together is more sober than "inappropriate".
You can find a truly twisted and contradictory version of that in the Arab world (sorry for bringing up such matters), but in a similar vein modern resurging "conservative" ideology, e.g. even on meme boards, which wants those differences again (although turning more towards plain disrespect on any level --> maybe at some point austerity again and "slut shaming"). Maybe you actually think this is (or partly should be) a little bit like that and therefore it doesn't make sense?
Well, the way it is may not make sense from some kind of rational, "enlightened" perspective, but from his and some type of storytelling it makes enough sense. You can also think of it as juvenile... As a story that partly picks up trappings of historical settings and storytelling, it is not so surprising.
 
#48
I used to love Sanji, I used to think he was an "amazing character" like 98% of the One Piece fanbase think, but the more I think about it, the more his character pisses me off.

His main ideology is that he shows women the utmost respect, due to his upbringing and circumstances as a child, he puts women on a pedestal.

However, there's a "gag" his character partakes in, where he is constantly perverted and degrading towards women. This perversion directly conflicts and clashes with his main ideology. His character makes no sense.

For the people who say "it's just a gag", how can you say that? Sanji's "gag" has directly affected the plot. On Fishman Island, Sanji's perversion was an entire subplot of the arc. Chopper's hilarious bounties, THAT is a gag. Zoro getting lost all the time, THAT is a gag. Because they do not affect the plot.

Some instances where Sanji's perversion can be seen as disrespectful and degrading towards women:
In the instance above, Sanji is shown wanting to find a camera and take pictures of Nami while he is in her body. In this instance, it can be seen as disrespectful but it isn't as bad as other instances considering this is Nami, she doesn't care as much as random girls that Sanji doesn't know. However, it is still disrespectful and not the way you should treat a woman. This kind of treatment makes no sense because Sanji lives to preach that women should be put on a pedestal and should be given the utmost respect.
In this instance above, Sanji is shown touching Nami's boobs without her permission. Just like the previous instance, this is obviously not disrespecful but sexual harassment. I'm not going to say much about this instance though because again, it is Nami and she knows and loves Sanji.
In this instance above, Sanji is shown with his tongue out and "locking on to women". In the bottom left panel you can CLEARLY see that the women feel uncomfortable and harassed. This is disrespectful and degrading behaviour that I could overlook as "just a gag" if it was ANYBODY else. The reason why this is an issue is because it DIRECTLY contradicts everything that Sanji stands for. How can you preach respect yet continually disrespect?
This last one, the most recent instance of disrespect toward women, is probably my least favourite Sanji moment in the entire series. Sanji snuck into a bathhouse filled with women and spied on them, fulfilling his lifelong dream of being invisible and spying on women. This one made me feel sick to the core, because I thought the whole Absalom-dream gag was JUST a gag that was left and forgotten in Thriller Bark, but the Raid Suit came and reintroduced this shitty concept. This is one of my least favourite chapters in Wano so far.


If you love Sanji, that is PERFECTLY fine and I obviously don't hold you against it, this is a fictional character that we're talking about lol, I won't feel any way. Just wanted to express my thoughts on a character that I think is "poorly" written. Well, more like Oda just hates him. Oda has written Sanji into a corner that is terrible for his character multiple times.
Perversion isn't necessarily degradation. Simply put. I understand how things can be interpreted as you have done, but that doesnt mean it IS. If you actually look into Japanese culture, perversion is the opposite of degradation. You have to remember this is a Japanese Manga, not an American Comic Book etc.
 

Warchief Sanji D Goat

Queen Gunko!➡️⬆️⬇️⬅️
#49
Essay and research time:finally::finally:

Never hit a woman. Treat women with respect. Protect women in need. These are all common things taught to men from a young age and at first glance they seem to be a straightforward and respectful guide to the interaction between genders. However, ask any girl who was refused a place on a school wrestling team or football team because the boys refused to engage her as the sport demanded and you’ll see where the flaws lie. Of course a boy shouldn’t hit a girl for no reason, but if he refuses to tackle her on a football team then he is extinguishing her opportunity to be treated as an equal and live out her dreams. But when it comes to Sanji's contradiction about his chivalry then everybody just be hating on him for no reason LOL.

This "Contradiction" that everybody complains about keep going on and so forth so here we go. In One Piece the character of Sanji is defined by his desire to treat women chivalrously. He doesn’t seem to think of women as less capable than men, often praising and relying on his female crewmates’ abilities, but he is determined to treat women in a way that he deems appropriate. This means that he protects them when possible and absolutely refuses to harm a woman for any reason. In chapter 403 of the manga, pointedly titled “Mr. Chivalry,” that determination nearly got him killed and could have led to the deaths of both Nami and Robin, his two female crewmates that he had vowed to protect.

The entire crew was racing against the clock to save Robin from imprisonment and potential execution when Sanji came face to face with Kalifa. Kalifa is a highly capable assassin who Sanji engaged in a fight. Unfortunately for him, he couldn’t bring himself to do more than block her strikes and kept pulling his own before they connected. He was trying to show her that he could beat her if he did connect, hoping that she would back down, but when it comes to real life or death fights that isn’t good enough. She made quick work of him, totally beating him and removing him from action for quite a while.

After his complete beating, he was found by Nami. When she realized why he lost, she was frustrated and pointed out that if he couldn’t fight a woman, but his honor wouldn’t let him run away from a fight either, then he was in trouble. His inability to do his part meant that she had to step forward to fight an opponent who was much stronger than her in order to get the key they were searching for and also to protect Sanji. For quite a while the anime cut to shots of Sanji sitting alone, with his head hanging as Nami fought in his place which really drove home the position he had gotten himself into.

His situation was a real catch-22 because there was a very real possibility that Nami, would die because he couldn’t protect her against another woman. That put him between a rock and a hard place as far as his ideals. By the end of the arc, Sanji seemed to have come to a decision. He is still categorically opposed to striking a woman–even if it kills him–but in the future he purposely avoids fights with women. He is still proud of his chivalrous nature but acknowledges its flaws as well. He takes Nami’s words to heart and is willing to leave female antagonists to his other crewmates such as Zoro.

Zoro provides an interesting contrast to Sanji in that he does not seem to treat people differently based on their gender. He finds Sanji’s chivalrous behavior (doting on the women, getting them extra treats, etc.) annoying which may stem from his own history with women. Rivalries are an important aspect of many shounen (aimed at pre-teen and teenage boys) manga series and usually involve two boys competing against each other or two girls doing the same, but in Zoro’s case his rival was a girl. As a child he wanted to be a great swordsman, but kept losing fight after fight to Kuina, his sensei’s daughter. Eventually, after beating him 2001 times, she expressed frustration that no matter how good she was the world was stacked against female swordsmen and someday he would surpass her because he was male.

Zoro grew angry at her for saying that he would beat her just because of her sex and told her that she was his goal. He wanted to be as good as her and if she denigrated her own abilities because of her gender then she denigrated his goals as well. He then made her promise that someday one of them would be the best swordsman in the world. Shortly after the promise, she died and he took up her sword to carry on her dream alongside his own. I don’t know if I can stress how impressed I was that a male hero in a shounen series holds a female character up as the person he wants to be most like.

When it come to chivalry I found that portrayal of the downside of chivalry to be a refreshing change of pace in a series aimed at teenage boys. Of course men shouldn’t hit women or disrespect women, but they shouldn’t hit or disrespect each other either. Chivalry while not necessarily a bad thing, can often repress women with kindness instead of acknowledging them as equals. Both Sanji and Zoro are good men that mean well, but their contrasting approach to women provides food for thought for manga and anime fans.

And not just Chivalry that influence his character and how he became and grow from it. It is also apply to his kindness too. For Sanji's character he fits in this concept perfectly and he goes out of his way to give food to starving people since he is generous. Take Gin for example:

Or even people like Don Krieg who Sanji knew wasn't being honest or a good guy and was going to attack.

And Sanji? Yes he knew. Or at least he had a sense that this would happen. He’s smirking to show that he wasn’t fooled at all, and to present himself as a badass who doesn’t give a crap. But look at his whole expression. Even if you just cover up his mouth, his eye is tense and worried. He’s sweating. They’re in deep stuff and he knows it and he knows it’s because of him that they’re in deep stuff.

Sanji was also aware that people have things that they can't do and comforted Ussop for his weakness and defended him besides the fact that he went out of this ways to defend Tashigi and the marines under her. And beside, him saving Usopp from Enel and not just Nami when he pretended to only care only about woman he also cared about the weak guys who can't fight or defend himself.

When Sanji telling Usopp that being alive is more important than anything else and considering he’s probably the first person who would throw his life away if it meant saving somebody else life. Sanji is the first person willing to give up his own life for another person and is a protector of that person and has went out of his way to help people who couldn't help themselves etc (like Ussop, Tashigi and her subordinates in Punk Hazard)

Now, let's think about this. If he does truly only cared about Tashigi, he could have grabbed her and get the heck out of there. But instead he puts himself up against a Marine Vice-Admiral in order to save all of the Marines.

And again, he’s running in the opposite direction because he wants to save as many of the Marines as possible. That's one example of chivalry and kindness right there.

Look at this scene real quick, here we can see that Kinemon is desperate about saving Momonosuke and Sanji is clearly worry about him being here with no body parts that could help him move. Also Sanji would feel guilty if he just leave Kinemon dying in there. That's another good example of kindness that Sanji have shown so far.

He is also the only one that even willing to consider taking Kinemon’s head along with them, and is concerned for his safety. It doesn’t matter that Kinemon is a man, because he needs help. Also according to @Chrono he said that Sanji is the main trigger that opens up all the arcs that we have so far. For example, Kinemon leads the Strawhats to Dressrosa and Trafalgar Law decided to go with them to Dressrosa also. And then we have Zou which introduce us to new information like the Road Poneglyph, Momo's real identity as a member of the Kouzuki family. Then here we have Wano. So basically Sanji is not type of guy that making attention to himself but he is the main trigger of all this major events even though he doesn't know about it.

Even Chopper, who is a doctor, is willing to leave a severed head behind but Sanji’s not able to do it and he immediately believes Kinemon when he says he’s not murdering people. One of my old theory said that Sanji can tell if people are being honest or not is because of his Observation Haki, and this is one of the examples because really, he has no reason to believe Kinemon otherwise and nobody else does. But because of his chivalry and kindness Sanji is willing to bring Kinemon with him.

Alright, let's talk about Sanji's generosity.
As I stated before, Sanji is giving food to other people even though they're a threatening enemy but because of what Sanji went through as a kid, and he just couldn't stand when someone is really hungry. For example, Gin and Big Mom.

As we all know Sanji is a guy who is all about his ideals shown by how he was willing to feed Don Krieg and his crew despite the fact that he knows that it would lead to trouble. And he even admits here that he knows that these particular pirates probably shouldn’t be saved, but his own values and experiences mean he cares more about feeding them than worrying about the eventual consequences.

And somehow chivalry was considered to be outdated and dumb while people think that way of Sanji's refusal to hit a woman or how Sanji was willing to feed Krieg and his crew despite the fact that Krieg was going to attack him. This is part of Sanji's character. Oda created him, not you or me or anybody else so you have to stick with it. Every characters have many flaws, no one is perfect. And that's why we like and enjoy the character so much. Sanji is a incredibly kind person. He puts everyone before himself to the point of him thinking he’s not as much worth saving as the rest of the crew, which is proof of his sacrificing character. Or even risking himself to help the marines, which is the people that he have no obligation to save. He also knows his flaws and is very in tune with himself and other people. He also shows more empathy than perhaps any other Strawhats and that is a great trait if you ask me. There is more traits to him like pride, compassion and so on.

I know this is a long essay and I did a lot of research on this and I don't expect anyone to read the whole thing but make sure to state your opinion about this.
This is still my biggest W yet:josad::josad:This is Prime Zoro D Goat's god work right here:steef::steef:
 

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This is not so contradictory. It is old-fashioned character trait. In a lot of old-fashioned romanticisms or "adoration" one can now also find that it is in some way degrading of the women (after all, from a more patriarchal culture). His "perversion" and adoration are linked, however he also "adores" them persons or "beings". I guess you are okay with the gag on the end but not on the other, however if it is so extreme, they are both to be expected. Actually, I'm surprised that this confuses you. Just sometimes or when the situation is "serious" he pulls himself together is more sober than "inappropriate".
You can find a truly twisted and contradictory version of that in the Arab world (sorry for bringing up such matters), but in a similar vein modern resurging "conservative" ideology, e.g. even on meme boards, which wants those differences again (although turning more towards plain disrespect on any level --> maybe at some point austerity again and "slut shaming"). Maybe you actually think this is (or partly should be) a little bit like that and therefore it doesn't make sense?
Well, the way it is may not make sense from some kind of rational, "enlightened" perspective, but from his and some type of storytelling it makes enough sense. You can also think of it as juvenile... As a story that partly picks up trappings of historical settings and storytelling, it is not so surprising.
See where you’re coming from, but for maybe the first time, I don’t think this needs to be contextualized by a social issue. Whether or not the contradiction makes sense isn’t the problem with Sanji, it’s that he’s existed for 20 real-life years and still pulls the exact same shit as he did in the first chapter where he appeared. You could stretch this out and apply it to damn near every Straw Hat Pirate, but it’s so glaring with Sanji because he had one of the longest arcs in the series to mature a little and have a bit more pathos, but by the time they got to Wano with him in tow, he was right back to the same needlessly goofy pervert. If getting the shit kicked out of you by your estranged family and almost getting assassinated during an arranged marriage doesn’t give you a bit more perspective or make you a little staid, then what’s the point?
 
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See where you’re coming from, but for maybe the first time, I don’t think this needs to be contextualized by a social issue. Whether or not the contradiction makes sense isn’t the problem with Sanji, it’s that he’s existed for 20 real-life years and still pulls the exact same shit as he did in the first chapter where he appeared. You could stretch this out and apply it to damn near every Straw Hat Pirate, but it’s so glaring with Sanji because he had one of the longest arcs in the series to mature a little and have a bit more pathos, but by the time they got to Wano with him in tow, he was right back to the same needlessly goofy pervert. If getting the shit kicked out of you by your estranged family and almost getting assassinated during an arranged marriage doesn’t give you a bit more perspective or make you a little staid, then what’s the point?
The guys lived on a ship full of dudes for 11 years, and then went and trained on an Island full of Okamas for two years. That's more than half his life with very limited female interaction. So his excitement towards seeing women and being around them isn't going to be something that's broken over the course of half a day.
 

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It's almost like One Piece is written for a specific audience, where perverted gag characters are a staple in many series. Hmmm.. But that can't be right, can it? :zorothink:
It’s almost like that specific audience is only a portion of any given manga’s fan base, and the rest are people from various walks of life who DON’T find the same childish shtick funny after several decades :luuh:
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The guys lived on a ship full of dudes for 11 years, and then went and trained on an Island full of Okamas for two years. That's more than half his life with very limited female interaction. So his excitement towards seeing women and being around them isn't going to be something that's broken over the course of half a day.
He’s had way longer than half a day, and plenty of people undergo mental/personality changes after highly concentrated doses of trauma.
 
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It’s almost like that specific audience is only a portion of any given manga’s fan base, and the rest are people from various walks of life who DON’T find the same childish shtick funny after several decades :luuh:
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He’s had way longer than half a day, and plenty of people undergo mental/personality changes after highly concentrated doses of trauma.
But the core audience still enjoys his childish schtick, so it doesn't matter to the author what the rest of the world thinks. :luuh:

You act like trauma is something so easy to overcome. :goatasure:
 

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But the core audience still enjoys his childish schtick, so it doesn't matter to the author what the rest of the world thinks. :luuh:

You act like trauma is something so easy to overcome. :goatasure:
...Pretty sure I was saying the opposite, that trauma ISN’T easy to get over and often causes people to experience debilitating effects for some time thereafter. Sanji immediately reverted the second they made landfall in Wano, which would seem to prove the thread’s title correct.
 
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